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[ZLurps]

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Didn't really seem like an assassination to me.

He's not the moping type. So, he moved on.

It's only "bad" on a meta-level. Not like Jacob knows his fiance is the protagonist of a story he's in, though.

[MetioricTest]

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

This is really a massive Strawman.

Are an alien race about to attack Earth, and you know this 100% for a fact, and Al Qaida is the only one trying to stop them?

[Reikilea]

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

This is really a massive Strawman.

Are an alien race about to attack Earth, and you know this 100% for a fact, and Al Qaida is the only one trying to stop them?

Still Cerberus was hated by whole Alliance. Well, mostly.  It´s not like Cerberus didn´t have good doctors or scientists. I mean, after all they brought one person from death. What´s one brittle bones disease. Does he really need special doctor from Alliance...

But I agree. Cerberus had some good points in the past. Except Akuze for all my Shepards. I mean one good point. Like investigating collectors. It´s not like Kaidan or Ash weren´t doing the same...

Modifié par Reikilea, 03 avril 2013 - 06:55 .

[ZLurps]

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

This is really a massive Strawman.

Are an alien race about to attack Earth, and you know this 100% for a fact, and Al Qaida is the only one trying to stop them?

Nothing indicates that Cerberus was doing anything to stop the Reapers before events of ME2.

[Little Princess Peach]

Ecrulis wrote...

BNN999 wrote...

I thought it was good to have at least one squaddie who would question and challenge you a bit. Having an entire ship full of loyal flunkies makes for a good power fantasy I suppose but it's not really conducive to good judgement for any leader.

As for Jacob, I don't know. I enjoyed slapping him...

I agree, I think Kaidan was handled well in 3, I just can't like ashley in 3

good thing is you can shoot Ashley during the coop or was it towards the end I don't recall :/
but hey you made the wrong choice in me1 correct it by showing her the end of the gun

[AlanC9]

ZLurps wrote...


It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

Did  anyone else read this and think of Homeland?

[ZLurps]

Nevermind, Wikipedia to the rescue.

Modifié par ZLurps, 03 avril 2013 - 07:01 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Thane.

Talk about character assassination.

This, along with Mordin, Legion and Nyreen were the scenes at ME where I almost started crying. At Legion's death I actually cried.

[MetioricTest]

GeneralMoskvin_2.0 wrote...

Thane.

Talk about character assassination..

Huh. how so?

[MetioricTest]

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

This is really a massive Strawman.

Are an alien race about to attack Earth, and you know this 100% for a fact, and Al Qaida is the only one trying to stop them?

Nothing indicates that Cerberus was doing anything to stop the Reapers before events of ME2.

Except.. Everything.

TIM knew about the Reapers before Shepard did, Read Evolution. Cerberus' plans and plots in ME1 where made to create shock-troops to battle the Reapers.

Then in ME2 they spend billions to bring back Shepard, and all efforts are to stop the Reapers.

Meanwhile everybody else does nothing

[ZLurps]

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

This is really a massive Strawman.

Are an alien race about to attack Earth, and you know this 100% for a fact, and Al Qaida is the only one trying to stop them?

Nothing indicates that Cerberus was doing anything to stop the Reapers before events of ME2.

Except.. Everything.

TIM knew about the Reapers before Shepard did, Read Evolution. Cerberus' plans and plots in ME1 where made to create shock-troops to battle the Reapers.

Then in ME2 they spend billions to bring back Shepard, and all efforts are to stop the Reapers.

Meanwhile everybody else does nothing

Yes, it's easy to say now. Back then it went, quoting Drew Karpyshyn, Lead writer of ME1 and Second lead to ME2

"For example, Cerberus was never that important in our initial plans – they were just a small, throw-away group of radical humans we could use for some subplots in ME1.
But Cerberus struck a chord with the fans, and when I wrote the second ME novel I decided to dig into the group a little more. TIM was born, fans and the team loved the character, and we just ran with it."
roqoodepot.com/2013/03/20/drew-karpyshyn-reddit-recap/

So, when writers didn't knew themself, how characters were supposed to know?

Modifié par ZLurps, 03 avril 2013 - 08:39 .

[MetioricTest]

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

This is really a massive Strawman.

Are an alien race about to attack Earth, and you know this 100% for a fact, and Al Qaida is the only one trying to stop them?

Nothing indicates that Cerberus was doing anything to stop the Reapers before events of ME2.

Except.. Everything.

TIM knew about the Reapers before Shepard did, Read Evolution. Cerberus' plans and plots in ME1 where made to create shock-troops to battle the Reapers.

Then in ME2 they spend billions to bring back Shepard, and all efforts are to stop the Reapers.

Meanwhile everybody else does nothing

Yes, it's easy to say now. Back then it went, quoting Drew Karpyshyn, Lead writer of ME1 and Second lead to ME2

"For example, Cerberus was never that important in our initial plans – they were just a small, throw-away group of radical humans we could use for some subplots in ME1.
But Cerberus struck a chord with the fans, and when I wrote the second ME novel I decided to dig into the group a little more. TIM was born, fans and the team loved the character, and we just ran with it."
roqoodepot.com/2013/03/20/drew-karpyshyn-reddit-recap/

So, when writers didn't knew themself, how characters were supposed to know?

What point are you trying to make here?

We were talking about why Chakwas and Joker joined Cerberus and how it was explained very well.  Which you denied.

Now you're saying Cerberus' role was expanded? And.... What's your point?

[RocketManSR2]

Bester76 wrote...

Couldn't really give a **** about Jacob tbh, but man, what they did to Ashley.......

Lost her writer, that's what.

[RocketManSR2]

Ecrulis wrote...

is it bad that I just realized that this was 1 year old thread?

We'll feel dumb together.

[ZLurps]

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

This is really a massive Strawman.

Are an alien race about to attack Earth, and you know this 100% for a fact, and Al Qaida is the only one trying to stop them?

Nothing indicates that Cerberus was doing anything to stop the Reapers before events of ME2.

Except.. Everything.

TIM knew about the Reapers before Shepard did, Read Evolution. Cerberus' plans and plots in ME1 where made to create shock-troops to battle the Reapers.

Then in ME2 they spend billions to bring back Shepard, and all efforts are to stop the Reapers.

Meanwhile everybody else does nothing

Yes, it's easy to say now. Back then it went, quoting Drew Karpyshyn, Lead writer of ME1 and Second lead to ME2

"For example, Cerberus was never that important in our initial plans – they were just a small, throw-away group of radical humans we could use for some subplots in ME1.
But Cerberus struck a chord with the fans, and when I wrote the second ME novel I decided to dig into the group a little more. TIM was born, fans and the team loved the character, and we just ran with it."
roqoodepot.com/2013/03/20/drew-karpyshyn-reddit-recap/

So, when writers didn't knew themself, how characters were supposed to know?

What point are you trying to make here?

We were talking about why Chakwas and Joker joined Cerberus and how it was explained very well.  Which you denied.

Now you're saying Cerberus' role was expanded? And.... What's your point?

What we knew, doesn't equal to what characters knew.

[Ecrulis]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

is it bad that I just realized that this was 1 year old thread?

We'll feel dumb together.

Yay company!

[Exile Isan]

MetioricTest wrote...
This is speculation. Not fact.

So what? It's the only way that it makes any sense. There are no ghosts in Mass Effect.

I will back you up on Dr. Chakwas and Joker. Both Dr. Chakwas and Joker explain why they joined Cerberus in detail.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 03 avril 2013 - 09:08 .

[MetioricTest]

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

Reikilea wrote...

Actually I thought it was weird Chakwas
went to Cerberus. I know all Shepard and that. It doesn´t seem like her
character to leave Alliance and join terrorist organization. Shepard or
not. .

They actually explain this in detail in both 2 and 3.

She never left the Alliance. She took time off.  And she only went to Cerberus for Joker. She was concerned about his health and lack of willingess to look after himself.

Then in 3 she talks about how proud she was of using them

It's something "we" hand wave away. We don't want to think that it's very unlikely for say, USAF pilot to join Al Qaida because they happen to have like cool ship to fly and told them that they bring their commander that they saw die two years ago, back from the dead.

This is really a massive Strawman.

Are an alien race about to attack Earth, and you know this 100% for a fact, and Al Qaida is the only one trying to stop them?

Nothing indicates that Cerberus was doing anything to stop the Reapers before events of ME2.

Except.. Everything.

TIM knew about the Reapers before Shepard did, Read Evolution. Cerberus' plans and plots in ME1 where made to create shock-troops to battle the Reapers.

Then in ME2 they spend billions to bring back Shepard, and all efforts are to stop the Reapers.

Meanwhile everybody else does nothing

Yes, it's easy to say now. Back then it went, quoting Drew Karpyshyn, Lead writer of ME1 and Second lead to ME2

"For example, Cerberus was never that important in our initial plans – they were just a small, throw-away group of radical humans we could use for some subplots in ME1.
But Cerberus struck a chord with the fans, and when I wrote the second ME novel I decided to dig into the group a little more. TIM was born, fans and the team loved the character, and we just ran with it."
roqoodepot.com/2013/03/20/drew-karpyshyn-reddit-recap/

So, when writers didn't knew themself, how characters were supposed to know?

What point are you trying to make here?

We were talking about why Chakwas and Joker joined Cerberus and how it was explained very well.  Which you denied.

Now you're saying Cerberus' role was expanded? And.... What's your point?

What we knew, doesn't equal to what characters knew.

And yet Joker, Jacon. Donnelly and Gabby all knew Cerberus was doing something about the Reapers.

So your point?

[MetioricTest]

Exile Isan wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...
This is speculation. Not fact.

So what? It's the only way that it makes any sense. There are no ghosts in Mass Effect.

[ZLurps]

MetioricTest wrote...

...snip...

ZLurps wrore...

What we knew, doesn't equal to what characters knew.

And yet Joker, Jacon. Donnelly and Gabby all knew Cerberus was doing something about the Reapers.

So your point?

I think it's moving somewhere above your head.

Modifié par ZLurps, 03 avril 2013 - 09:10 .

[MetioricTest]

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

...snip...

ZLurps wrore...

What we knew, doesn't equal to what characters knew.

And yet Joker, Jacon. Donnelly and Gabby all knew Cerberus was doing something about the Reapers.

So your point?

I think it's moving somewhere above your head.

Then explain it.

So Cerberus are a pro-human terrorist group, trying to create shock troops.

Shepard dies.

Council ignores Reapers, Cerberus don't.

Some of Shepard's friends join Cerberus to fight Reapers.

And you're saying this makes no sense because in ME1 Cerberus never mentioned the Reapers and got expanded? 

So? Nothing was changed. They just expanded it.

[Exile Isan]

MetioricTest wrote...
*picture snip*

Fine. It's still stupid if it's Thane's ghost, though. I'll stick with my theory, as I don't believe in ghosts.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 03 avril 2013 - 09:15 .

[ZLurps]

MetioricTest wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

MetioricTest wrote...

...snip...

ZLurps wrore...

What we knew, doesn't equal to what characters knew.

And yet Joker, Jacon. Donnelly and Gabby all knew Cerberus was doing something about the Reapers.

So your point?

I think it's moving somewhere above your head.

Then explain it.

So Cerberus are a pro-human terrorist group, trying to create shock troops.

Shepard dies.

Council ignores Reapers, Cerberus don't.

Some of Shepard's friends join Cerberus to fight Reapers.

And you're saying this makes no sense because in ME1 Cerberus never mentioned the Reapers and got expanded? 

So? Nothing was changed. They just expanded it.

Sorry, I don't think this is going anywhere.

[Skullheart]

lol, necrothread...

Ant talking about character assassination/derailmnet, why no one has said anything about liara 180° turn from ME to ME2?