I chose synthesis as it was the ending that best fit my version of Shepard. Since I played him as an utterly selfless man who during his time interacting with aliens, came to see them as people, including synthetics like EDI and the Geth. Along the way, he even fell in love with an alien (Liara).
So when it came time to choose the final fate of the Galaxy, Shepard gladly sacrificed himself to ensure a lasting peace, and save as many sentient beings as possible, be they organic or synthetic.
Isn't "merge" a happy ending?
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#27
Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:03
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The Merger ending is the best when I look at it and I saw it as solution a while back but the problem is that we understand nothing about"The Catalyst" or the "Problem" it all seems like the Reapers were tools for this being that we nothing about to solve a problem so life could continue. It just falls flat it feels like they avoiding all of that because... I don't know... It seems Bioware is always just scared to dive into the themes they present in the stories. The Organic vs Synthetic has always been a theme in Sci-fi and the themes that come with it "Humanity, Philosophy, Spirituality." The endings feel like they were cared touch those themes because they did not want to "Force beliefs on people" or what ever. It all fell flat at the end where it could be great. Instead we get 3 three endings that are relatively the same.. with just different colors.
Even the being said that what Shepard had opened new outcomes that itself did not think off.. the problem is we nothing about it.
Even the being said that what Shepard had opened new outcomes that itself did not think off.. the problem is we nothing about it.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:12
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I think it's sad so many people are too dumb to get that the Big Picture is really freaking huge and the whole point is everything you did up to the ending was just one tiny little task and the universe didn't care how it all turned out. You're not children playing with guns, your children playing with deities.
It's all so simple and yet so many people are too fail to even get simple.
But whatever, I liked it so the hell with the haters.
It's all so simple and yet so many people are too fail to even get simple.
But whatever, I liked it so the hell with the haters.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:30
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PerfectLife wrote...
I think it's sad so many people are too dumb to get that the Big Picture is really freaking huge and the whole point is everything you did up to the ending was just one tiny little task and the universe didn't care how it all turned out. You're not children playing with guns, your children playing with deities.
It's all so simple and yet so many people are too fail to even get simple.
But whatever, I liked it so the hell with the haters.
Right. Introdouce the main antagonist in the final scene. That's a viable way to do things. This kind of ending only worked for one game and that was Deus Ex and that's because the game's name was actually a play on that device. This ending you can tell was easily thrown together in an hour or two if even that. It was a terrible way to end things especially because it didn't make any sense at all.
One way to make sure you feel great about making choices is to render them all pointless. Am I right?
Fanboys can be just as bad as "haters" sometimes.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:36
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ibage wrote...
PerfectLife wrote...
I think it's sad so many people are too dumb to get that the Big Picture is really freaking huge and the whole point is everything you did up to the ending was just one tiny little task and the universe didn't care how it all turned out. You're not children playing with guns, your children playing with deities.
It's all so simple and yet so many people are too fail to even get simple.
But whatever, I liked it so the hell with the haters.
Right. Introdouce the main antagonist in the final scene. That's a viable way to do things. This kind of ending only worked for one game and that was Deus Ex and that's because the game's name was actually a play on that device. This ending you can tell was easily thrown together in an hour or two if even that. It was a terrible way to end things especially because it didn't make any sense at all.
One way to make sure you feel great about making choices is to render them all pointless. Am I right?
Fanboys can be just as bad as "haters" sometimes.
No yudum? The boy isn't the antagonist, he's a catalyst for change. The antagonist is the conflict between organics and synthetics. But I guess simple things like this are too much for the average person. And, most of you already bought ME3 so who gives a crap what your opinions are after the fact when you already paied out cash money. If you didn't like it the intellegent thing isn't to come here and complain where everyone can laugh at you.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:41
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The antagonist is the Reapers. Organic/synthetic conflict was a minor element. It was only ever the Quarian's issue and that conflict is over by the time you even start the final sequence. Only to get dragged out again by some new character you have no reason to treat as credible.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:42
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PerfectLife wrote...
I think it's sad so many people are too dumb to get that the Big Picture is really freaking huge and the whole point is everything you did up to the ending was just one tiny little task and the universe didn't care how it all turned out. You're not children playing with guns, your children playing with deities.
It's all so simple and yet so many people are too fail to even get simple.
But whatever, I liked it so the hell with the haters.
You don't understand what good writing or storytelling is.
Your opinion is based on a need to look down on others and feel superior.
knightnblu wrote...
My problem with the synthesis option was that I had to play God in order to take it....
Good post.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:44
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Not really...
Spoiler ahead:
Most of your squad mates are dead by now. (I won't mention who, but you'll know when it happens.)
Spoiler ahead:
Most of your squad mates are dead by now. (I won't mention who, but you'll know when it happens.)
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:50
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aim1essgun wrote...
PerfectLife wrote...
I think it's sad so many people are too dumb to get that the Big Picture is really freaking huge and the whole point is everything you did up to the ending was just one tiny little task and the universe didn't care how it all turned out. You're not children playing with guns, your children playing with deities.
It's all so simple and yet so many people are too fail to even get simple.
But whatever, I liked it so the hell with the haters.
You don't understand what good writing or storytelling is.
Your opinion is based on a need to look down on others and feel superior.knightnblu wrote...
My problem with the synthesis option was that I had to play God in order to take it....
Good post.
I am superior, the only way I can even see all of you is to look down. I could care less if your fragile egos find this offensive.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:52
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PerfectLife wrote...
No yudum? The boy isn't the antagonist, he's a catalyst for change. The antagonist is the conflict between organics and synthetics. But I guess simple things like this are too much for the average person. And, most of you already bought ME3 so who gives a crap what your opinions are after the fact when you already paied out cash money. If you didn't like it the intellegent thing isn't to come here and complain where everyone can laugh at you.
Of course the boy is the antagonist. The boy/catalyst systematically commits genocide muliple times over millions of years based on a philosophical precent that Shepard disproves within three years. The Reapers are controlled by him making everything the reapers have done his responsibility. You're damn right he's an antagonist. I only wish I had the option to give him the middle finger and nuke his 'blue box' myself.
-Polaris
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:53
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IanPolaris wrote...
PerfectLife wrote...
No yudum? The boy isn't the antagonist, he's a catalyst for change. The antagonist is the conflict between organics and synthetics. But I guess simple things like this are too much for the average person. And, most of you already bought ME3 so who gives a crap what your opinions are after the fact when you already paied out cash money. If you didn't like it the intellegent thing isn't to come here and complain where everyone can laugh at you.
Of course the boy is the antagonist. The boy/catalyst systematically commits genocide muliple times over millions of years based on a philosophical precent that Shepard disproves within three years. The Reapers are controlled by him making everything the reapers have done his responsibility. You're damn right he's an antagonist. I only wish I had the option to give him the middle finger and nuke his 'blue box' myself.
-Polaris
I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you that you are wrong. Sadly your ego is too weak to accept outside judgement and thus you will continue to be wrong. So much for having any kind of self-awareness or choice, go away now, robot.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 08:57
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That would have been pretty nice.IanPolaris wrote...
I only wish I had the option to give him the middle finger and nuke his 'blue box' myself.
-Polaris
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 09:00
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PerfectLife wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
PerfectLife wrote...
No yudum? The boy isn't the antagonist, he's a catalyst for change. The antagonist is the conflict between organics and synthetics. But I guess simple things like this are too much for the average person. And, most of you already bought ME3 so who gives a crap what your opinions are after the fact when you already paied out cash money. If you didn't like it the intellegent thing isn't to come here and complain where everyone can laugh at you.
Of course the boy is the antagonist. The boy/catalyst systematically commits genocide muliple times over millions of years based on a philosophical precent that Shepard disproves within three years. The Reapers are controlled by him making everything the reapers have done his responsibility. You're damn right he's an antagonist. I only wish I had the option to give him the middle finger and nuke his 'blue box' myself.
-Polaris
I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you that you are wrong. Sadly your ego is too weak to accept outside judgement and thus you will continue to be wrong. So much for having any kind of self-awareness or choice, go away now, robot.
I am not wrong. The catalyist is one of the most evil beings I have ever seen in a game. Don't be fooled by his childlike appearence.
-Polaris
Edit: Committing genocide multiple times out of a misguided fear that is provably wrong is about as evil as it gets especially when said being makes no effort to learn or study alternatives.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 09:13
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PerfectLife wrote...
IanPolaris wrote...
PerfectLife wrote...
No yudum? The boy isn't the antagonist, he's a catalyst for change. The antagonist is the conflict between organics and synthetics. But I guess simple things like this are too much for the average person. And, most of you already bought ME3 so who gives a crap what your opinions are after the fact when you already paied out cash money. If you didn't like it the intellegent thing isn't to come here and complain where everyone can laugh at you.
Of course the boy is the antagonist. The boy/catalyst systematically commits genocide muliple times over millions of years based on a philosophical precent that Shepard disproves within three years. The Reapers are controlled by him making everything the reapers have done his responsibility. You're damn right he's an antagonist. I only wish I had the option to give him the middle finger and nuke his 'blue box' myself.
-Polaris
I'm not arguing with you, I'm telling you that you are wrong. Sadly your ego is too weak to accept outside judgement and thus you will continue to be wrong. So much for having any kind of self-awareness or choice, go away now, robot.
Irony at it's finest! I can't tell if you're an actual troll or someone who thinks they matter on the internet. In any case, keep it up. I'll go get some popcorn.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 09:33
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The game doesnt explaine why synthesis ending require shep's sacrifice, he doesnt control reaper in this ending,
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:16
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Shepard dies for peace and ends the cycle of organic life harvesting (s)he knew what (s)he signed up for and became a legend for future generations
mabe it is a happy ending all heroic and **** but still crap as the player gets no reward or you can look at it as ask a drone if they like the Borg.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:25
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And how would synthesis stop the reapers from turning in to psychopathic killers and continue killing under the banner "for survival" because they are now part organic?(which they were already because they house the genetic material of old races which makes no sense)
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:29
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No, because I want Shepard to be a selfish bastard who wants to survive, and is mostly in this because he wants to see himself and the people he's close to survive and the Reapers wiping out all life in the galaxy isn't something that helps them survive.
Of course he never actually says this to anyone.
Of course he never actually says this to anyone.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:31
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I chose merge. It was the only option for me.
I couldn't destroy all of the synthetic lifeforms I spent the whole game trying to understand. In the end you realize they have as much a right to exist as organics do. Controlling them also felt like a betrayal. I couldn't do that to Anderson and more importantly couldn't do that to the Galaxy.
It just could have been so much better. I don't mind Shepard dying. But Anderson's death seemed pointless. I was hurt by that more than Shepard's death. Destroying the relays seemed pointless too, but I could live with that.
Paragon's spent the whole game preaching and understanding the concept of hope. But Bioware left no hope for us. No closure...
I couldn't destroy all of the synthetic lifeforms I spent the whole game trying to understand. In the end you realize they have as much a right to exist as organics do. Controlling them also felt like a betrayal. I couldn't do that to Anderson and more importantly couldn't do that to the Galaxy.
It just could have been so much better. I don't mind Shepard dying. But Anderson's death seemed pointless. I was hurt by that more than Shepard's death. Destroying the relays seemed pointless too, but I could live with that.
Paragon's spent the whole game preaching and understanding the concept of hope. But Bioware left no hope for us. No closure...
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My problem with the synthesis option was that I had to play God in order to take it. By re-writing the DNA of every living thing in the galaxy I have effectively changed them forever without their consent. Further, the implications also are problematic. There can be no peace unless we are willing to absorb technology into ourselves and fundamentally change our natures. People don't want the government in their bedroom, but going ahead and making fundamental changes to my body and mind without even bothering to ask me first is totally cool. Secondly, it also implies that sentient life is inherently incapable of preventing its own self destruction a la Battlestar Galactica. Puleeze.
That AI had murdered uncounted trillions of sentients over billions of years. Worse, he thought that he was doing the galaxy a favor. I would imagine that Hitler also believed that he was doing humanity a favor when he was committing his atrocities. On the one hand we have the AI on the Citadel as the representative of all evil and on the other we have the form of EDI representing good. This is mirrored in Anderson and TIM's confrontation prior to meeting the AI.
While these contrasts are mildly interesting, they never the less accomplish nothing. We never learn who the AI is, when it was created, the true scope of the number reaped, and most importantly, how the AI arrived at that conclusion. No, Shepard must step in and do what must be done. The AI could have done it himself, but he is going to make Shepard pull the switch. Really? That was the best they could come up with? Shepard is going to score an own goal so that he could do what the AI could and should have done?
The synthesis option was a deus ex machina intended to close the story because either the writers had no idea where to go with it or they were forced to close the story prematurely.
Either way, the ending was not satisfying and made no sense. Shepard was not in control of the situation and he was forced into a path in order to save something of what once was. Because when Shepard pulled the trigger, trillions died when the mass relays exploded throughout the galaxy and that includes those left on the Citadel. That seems to be the larger issue, but I don't see much buzz about it.
I think you misunderstand. (other than the playing God part, which I get is subjective and totally valid)
-The Catalyst didn't even see Synthesis as an option on the table either. It would have strided towards it otherwise. It's only option was 'continue the cycle'. It is hinted that the Crucible itself was a plan started by the ancients that the Catalyst is related to, and that this is a whole, multi-millenia plan to solve something on an even larger scale (tech singularity). Shepard showed co-operation between synthetic and organic is even possible (at least in the Geth/Quarian peace for sure), and what it can achieve. The Crucible activated this knowledge, among other things, in the Catalyst and opened up that path to it. It had no control over anything else at that point, other than directing the cycle (so no, it can't kill Shepard etc).
The Destroy ending is essentially Shepard's "Screw you, I'm doing this" option. The Control ending is the same, except in following TIM's likely original ideals that Shepard is a much better example of. (TIM would have used the Reapers for human dominance, and not as guardians of the galaxy)
-I don't think we're at all supposed to know what this AI is. I think that's for later games. This series is Shepard+Reapers, and everything else is DETAILS. Now that Shepard is more-or-less ended, and Reapers are more-or-less taken care of, we can move onto other things. I mean, I've read a lot of theories that people have supported here, of "What if the Reapers work for other entities?" etc, yet once they are put into practice you want every detail of that on the spot? Bioware intends on continuing Mass Effect - I think they have every right to keep some mysteries open.
-Again, the AI very likely has no control over anything but the direction of the cycle. Upon Shepard's decision, the Reapers are done. In Destroy, they're all gone. In Merge, the Catalyst likely ended the cycle. In Control, Shepard likely ended the cycle. The AI likely had many restraints on it otherwise, which is probably why TIM was so eager to reach it, and use it as a tool (we know how that worked out). It can't flip anything, except the cycle itself. They Reapers seem to be completely autonomous otherwise, and even the Prothian sabotage of the Citadel was only another factor to this grand experiment.
-It's confirmed that while the Citadel is gone, some escaped it before all this mess. In fact, many may have evacuated it.
-The mass relays did NOT explode from their energy like in Arrival! The point of the catalyst/crucible was to find a way to convert that energy to something else ('space magic' you can call it, but most of this series IS space magic in the first place, so.... yeah). I can say that with 90% certainty, the systems did NOT die in the 'trillions', but rather either:
-Reapers and AI (geth etc) were destroyed just as if a massive blast hit them (details unknown), maybe even husks too
-Reapers are ....controlled by you. To be honest, I'm not sure how it works.
-Space Magic forced evolution on organics.
The blast that Joker is trying to outrun is, I'm sure, only for the Sol system. Again, not many details on that.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 10:22
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The Synthesis ending is the cannon best ending.
cannon? not if the mean to make more ME games lol
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 10:25
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The message of the entire Mass Effect saga is one of self-determination. It's reinforced several times. Saren is given the choice to fight against his indoctrination at the end of ME1. Shepard is given the choice to shun Reaper technology ("creating your own future", as Legion puts it) at the end of ME2. The concept of chaos vs. order comes up multiple times in ME3, and each time you are given the chance to explain that chaos vs. order is a false dichotomy. Chaotic organics and ordered synthetics can coexist. The Geth only want peace, and EDI endeavors to embrace humanity and its randomness.
The "merge" option is completely anti-thetical to all of that. No one except Shepard is given a choice (and he dies, so there you go). No self-determination. You're wiping out all life in the galaxy as you know it, and replacing it with something completely foreign and unknown. Remember what the Reapers kept saying about "ascension"? How is Shepard choosing "merging" any different from that?
It's complete BS. Of all the crappy endings, Synthesis is probably the worst.
The "merge" option is completely anti-thetical to all of that. No one except Shepard is given a choice (and he dies, so there you go). No self-determination. You're wiping out all life in the galaxy as you know it, and replacing it with something completely foreign and unknown. Remember what the Reapers kept saying about "ascension"? How is Shepard choosing "merging" any different from that?
It's complete BS. Of all the crappy endings, Synthesis is probably the worst.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 10:37
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Because their job is basically complete. All life become both organic and synthetic. From what I got form it, it's the only ending that insures that the cycle is broken rather than reset or postponed.saturos2 wrote...
And how would synthesis stop the reapers from turning in to psychopathic killers and continue killing under the banner "for survival" because they are now part organic?(which they were already because they house the genetic material of old races which makes no sense)
I consider it the "good" ending because it's the one that allows Joker and EDI to produce offsprings of some sort.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 10:40
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The "merge" option is completely anti-thetical to all of that. No one except Shepard is given a choice (and he dies, so there you go). No self-determination. You're wiping out all life in the galaxy as you know it, and replacing it with something completely foreign and unknown. Remember what the Reapers kept saying about "ascension"? How is Shepard choosing "merging" any different from that?
It's complete BS. Of all the crappy endings, Synthesis is probably the worst.
The Reaper's ascension is basically their will placed upon all things. Shepard's ascension allows free will to continue. Obviously love still exists as examplified by Joker and EDI.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 10:50
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I think that Destruction could be a happy ending, if not bittersweet, since I'm still not entirely sure that the AI isn't just bull****ting Shepard when he says that destroying the power conduit would destroy all synthetics and Shepard (since Shepard Alive can only be seen after the Destroy ending) and even if it does, then my Shepard was willing to do it to preserve the beauty and chaos of organic life instead of synthetic life.
