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[Pasicrates]

Now, I'm going to start by saying that this is only a possible explanation to the ending, I'm not saying I think this was the best way to end the trilogy. Down to business, then. As we know (those of us who beaten the game) the game ends with the Normandy crash landing on some remote world. I and many others have been asking one simple question to this: Wait, what? At least to me, the events all seemed unconnected. First the Crucible fires, then people cheer, then Joker runs away, then old man talks to child. Confusing, no? But when we think about what happens, it makes a little bit of sense. When the Crucible initially fires, it gives at a pulse that hits the collectors, but it is delayed before the signal is sent to destroy the mass relays. Now, when a mass relay is destroyed, we know what happens: everything in that system dies, that's the whole reason we start on Earth in the first place. How long the delay between ending the reapers and total destruction isn't really given, but I'm going to assume that it give Joker enough time to go down to the surface and see what's up. Once there, the Normandy crew is all reunited on board and everything is happy. And then sensors or EDI or someone notices: there's a giant fireball headed this way. Now, I'm sure many ships, if they knew this was happening tried to flee, but the Normandy was the fastest and it barely was able to escape. So now the entire galaxy is back to page one. The vast majority of the spacefaring races are gone, only disparate colonies that were far from mass relays (which are few and far between) are all that remain as well as the Normandy survivors on some remore planet. After the credits then, we see an old Stargazer telling a child a story about the Shepard, now there are to things I believe can happen here. 

1. The old man is Joker, as he is the only consistent character I have seen across the endings. As well, the sky on the planet they crash and the planet with the Stargazer look similar with moons and planets in the sky. 

2. The old man is Shepard, seeing that he survives the Citadel. How they found his body in rubble from a crashing space station, when he was already bleeding out, and in time to escape the exploding galaxy is beyond me, but it's possible...

This leaves the question of why the mass relays were destroyed in the first place... Well, the only thing I can figure out is that the Citadel has realized it's solution to chaos is insufficient and that it's technology is now either aiding the chaos (organics) or it is a defense mechanism incase of breach. In the case of singularity (the green ending) the reason it destroys the mass relays is so that the organic-synthate hybrids can now evolve and grow on their own, they are the quintessence of evolution, they don't need help. And that is why Joker franticly flys away. Aaaaand this also leaves the possibility for some sort of sequel. The child at the end could be the child of Shepard and his / her love interest or someone else on the ship (if Shepard was homosexual or abstained from hanky-panky or if it was a she who romanced someone other than Liara). This child could be the next main character. They're growing up in a world void of mass effect technology and they'll be rediscovering the stars. 

Anyways, I know many people are not pleased with the way the trilogy ended, but hopefully my speculations can at least allow you to logically see the ending and quell a little bit of the frustration. Hope it helps explain something in a clear way, even if they're all wrong.  

[Yuoaman]

Even if the relays emitting that huge pulse would destroy a system, going through it would do absolutely nothing, since he'd just end up in the one system that the Charon Relay leads to.

[IanPolaris]

It also doesn't explain the magically teleporting squaddies that somehow go from a dangerous combat zone (and gunned down by Harbinger) to being on board the Normandy in less than thirty minutes.

-Polaris

[Pasicrates]

Well, I'm not saying he took the mass relay. I'm not an expert on the Mass Effect universe's physics, but can't they make faster than light "jumps" without hitting relays? That's how they travel from system to system within clusters, like on the galaxy map when you have to watch your fuel gauge. You're not using a relay, but you're going pretty damn fast. And relays only destroy the systems, not entire clusters.

As for surviving peeps on the Normandy, yeah.. I don't know... But Anderson and Coats also magically survived Harbingers death beam, so I assumed that whomever you had could too. As for how they reached the Normandy, I speculate the delay between exploding relay and Normandy picking them up is loooong. Not perfect, but hey. 

Modifié par Pasicrates, 08 mars 2012 - 06:52 .

[P_sutherland]

and if shepard is female ? :S

[NeoVassal]

Pasicrates wrote...

1. The old man is Joker, as he is the only consistent character I have seen across the endings. As well, the sky on the planet they crash and the planet with the Stargazer look similar with moons and planets in the sky.  

I think the old man is Joker as well. If you look carefully, he kind of walks like Joker. It's hard to tell because of the kid holding his hand right next to him.

[Taleroth]

I'm getting annoyed by people thinking that all explosions are the same. Do you know the difference between a neutron bomb and a nuke? It's just a modified configuration of the same thing so that it does more radiation than explosive force.

There's no reason to assume that relays only explode in a single way. A few setting changes by the person who created them could shift an otherwise catastrophic detonation into something controlled.

Modifié par Taleroth, 08 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[IanPolaris]

NeoVassal wrote...

Pasicrates wrote...

1. The old man is Joker, as he is the only consistent character I have seen across the endings. As well, the sky on the planet they crash and the planet with the Stargazer look similar with moons and planets in the sky.  

I think the old man is Joker as well. If you look carefully, he kind of walks like Joker. It's hard to tell because of the kid holding his hand right next to him.

Also remember in the merge ending, Joker no longer has Vrolik's syndrome (you can tell by the way he walks without pain in the ending scene for the first time ever).

-Polaris

[Yuoaman]

They can travel in FTL, but it would probably take hours to get even to the very closest system to Earth.

[Parrk]

IanPolaris wrote...

NeoVassal wrote...

Pasicrates wrote...

1. The old man is Joker, as he is the only consistent character I have seen across the endings. As well, the sky on the planet they crash and the planet with the Stargazer look similar with moons and planets in the sky.  

I think the old man is Joker as well. If you look carefully, he kind of walks like Joker. It's hard to tell because of the kid holding his hand right next to him.

Also remember in the merge ending, Joker no longer has Vrolik's syndrome (you can tell by the way he walks without pain in the ending scene for the first time ever).

-Polaris

This explanation will suffice, but it also requires that we accept that hte green wave gave EDI a uterus.

"you got a uterus?  All i got was some green stuff on my neck....hax!"

[NeoVassal]

IanPolaris wrote...

NeoVassal wrote...

Pasicrates wrote...

1. The old man is Joker, as he is the only consistent character I have seen across the endings. As well, the sky on the planet they crash and the planet with the Stargazer look similar with moons and planets in the sky.  

I think the old man is Joker as well. If you look carefully, he kind of walks like Joker. It's hard to tell because of the kid holding his hand right next to him.

Also remember in the merge ending, Joker no longer has Vrolik's syndrome (you can tell by the way he walks without pain in the ending scene for the first time ever).

-Polaris

Whoops, forgot about that ending. Good point.

[Ieldra]

The events in the epilogue are totally unconnected to the events of the story. Also the old man says it was so very long ago and some details have been lost in time. This is clearly meant to establish Shepard as a legend, not as history.

[Militarized]

The only way it makes sense, if Shepard is imagining it... the flight through space = their long crazy journey/trial and the people who walk out are the characters you talked to/invested most of your time with(which was true for me since Garrus and Liarra popped out) and it's him thinking about how they'll all have a chance at a new world now.

BUT... since it's so POORLY IMPLEMENTED... god I can't even finish griping about it it's so infuriating.

they also could have emphasized that by having your LI(mine being Jack), Hackett and others pop out of the Normandy.. people he cared about. 

Modifié par Militarized, 08 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[SliPaladin]

The old man is just another man in the next cycle. Shepard's story has become a legend, somekind of myth, that's why he doesn't really know what can be found in the stars because they're still early in that cycle.

[Flammenpanzer]

SliPaladin wrote...

The old man is just another man in the next cycle. Shepard's story has become a legend, somekind of myth, that's why he doesn't really know what can be found in the stars because they're still early in that cycle.

Then who killed off the previous (Shepard's) cycle? Early means the old one would have come to an end somehow.

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 12 mars 2012 - 04:47 .