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[SC0TTYD00]

Nah, i disagree. It needs to be obvious otherwise people will miss it.

[Lyria]

If it's forced you're not doing it right.

[FrozenDreamfall]

Lol maybe cause Kaidan came out very soft and romantic as a guy.I know lots of gay people and honestly he seemed quite straight to me.It just felt unfair that there was no hint of it at all in the 1st game about it,he actually talks about a girl crush he had at the biotic training camp.And I bet you most of the people who said they felt Kaidan was gay were guys lol.In the past I dated a lot of guys like him,the romantics and sensible ones tend to be classed as that by many guys sadly.And Ash made me feel that cause,you know you get that gaydar feeling lol,hard to explain to someone straight for example,but you just feel it in your gut.I simply preferred they wouldn't change character orientation last minute and make it clear from the start,besides,females get fewer romances and actually worse in the game if you ask me.Only good one still left could be Garrus (poor Thane dies,Kaidan is made bi,Jacob gets married) as for guys you don't see Miranda with someone else,yes it's long distance but still there,same with Jack,barely see her sadly but it's still working out,Ash who you don't get in the 2nd but get back in the 3rd and lets not mention Tali,a fan favorite.Instead of adding Traynor they could've perfectly balanced it and added Ash as bi.I like Traynor,she's very nice but it's different you know when you end up with someone you've been with before in a game and had history,not someone you get last minute.

[FrozenDreamfall]

As for Liara who was my LI for the entire series many will say she's mono gender,I still count her as a bi female.She has boobs,that's pretty female-ish to me >)

[Hanabii]

Steve wasn't poorly done, I am a straight guy with no love lost for homosexuality. I've nothing against Homosexuals, however I am straight and narrow in my views. Not as narrow as some.

However there was ONE instance where I felt the Homosexuality was SUPER DUPER forced. It was the new 'Yeomen' What's her face.

Nothing, nothing, nothing... invitation for sex in shower with Femshep.

WTF!? That's not a romance. That's incredibly pushy. At least with Steve you had to help console the death of his hubby, you had to make a clear approach from your field and you had to build a romance.

But this new girl? It's like no romantic development then a sudden sex scene.

Also to answer an age old question.

Women are not cheated with only '1' same sex romance because Keiden can turn gay.

Women have access to Liara and Ms. Forgettable Borrow your shower and bang. And Kelly Chambers.

Men get Steve, and K.

Okay, so maybe the girl was a ****** poor cop out for a romance compared to Steve.

Modifié par Hanabii, 03 avril 2012 - 06:44 .

[VerdantSF]

FrozenDreamfall wrote...

As for Liara who was my LI for the entire series many will say she's mono gender,I still count her as a bi female.She has boobs,that's pretty female-ish to me >)

Exactly, and you got her for multiple games.  Gay men were only given 2 options in Mass Effect 3.  While I'm sorry that Ash wasn't available for you in this game, your hostility to Kaidan as an LI for men feels a bit uncharitable. 

Modifié par VerdantSF, 03 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[pomrink]

i agree with OP a little, bioware pats itself on the back to much on these issues. It's kinda anvilicious.

[Reznore57]

I don't think homosexuality was forced ,I played a Fshep , the secretary (don't remember her name) came up to shep cabin , ask for taking a shower (i knew it had something to do with the romance , i romanced garrus wasn't interested) , i say no ,we spent the night playing chess.
No sexual harassment to speak of.
In me1 , I remember Liara thought i had something going on for her for whatever reason , i turn her down and it was ok.No big deal.

The thing that bothered me and felt forced it's Kaidan (romanced in Me1, never like him but kinda good looking, thought we were through in Eden prime and good ridance), first scene he looks at Shep like she's somekind of angel falling from heaven...then he throws a fit about "trusting issue"...then he tells you ,you cheat on him ...and there's no way of telling him that garrus is way better in bed thank you.
The only way i know to stop this nonsense is to kill him and i'm not cruel.
So i had to suffer the "I love you" scene at the restaurant.

So i've never felt forced about sexuality or homosexuality but forced into some painful non relashionship , yes , absolutly :s

[Hendrik.III]

Imo every romance feels forced. You can't damn well talk to a person without steering towards a relationship. In ME1, it takes a few lines of text for Liara to be in a relationship with you. Some crewmembers require effort and patience (like Jack) but others just fling themselves at you from the moment you open your mouth.

But no, it didn't feel forced. Not more than the rest, that is.

[FrozenDreamfall]

@VerdantSF Loool you have the wrong image if you think it was hostile.I have nothing against him,he's a great character,I have a problem with the dumb writers who can't make something consistent and work with it.I am only pissed cause the matter was treated poorly and as someone here mentioned about a post they made,they were both intended for s/s romances since the 1st and only Kaidan was available in the 3rd.What I am mostly aiming at is that female romances felt very poorly treated in this game,both straight and gay.Guys still get more options (and I'm referring to the straight ones here).And I am still debating weather to call Liara bi or not since she's monogender,I still think of her as a woman (has boobs,that's all you need to know).

Modifié par FrozenDreamfall, 03 avril 2012 - 06:51 .

[pomrink]

gonna have to agree with all the relationships being forced. it's like shepard is a walking aphrodisiac or something. you ask any of your crewmates how theyre doing and then suddenly you're in a relationship.

Modifié par pomrink, 03 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[Surprise Guest]

I'm glad there were some new options and I think it was all fine and dandy, although not really worth thinking too much about.

[Cyberarmy]

Husher315 wrote...

No, you just really went on a rant for nothing...

[Homey C-Dawg]

A lot of lesbians on the citadel seemed to have come out of the closet since the last game. Guess there's just no way we men can compete with the asari.

[Controller_B]

Meh, I think it's sort of asinine to discuss the sexual politics of a game that's set in a future where people bang aliens. Some of the things are a bit amusing (shepard's LI's are pretty much his subordinates... that isn't exactly ethical) but for the most part, it's still a fictional universe.

[s.nebulous]

Not really
Romances are, for me and many others, one of the perks to Bioware games.
And they are optional.

[Roninraver]

No OP, I don't feel the homosexuality was forced.
Or if it was, it was forced far less forcibly than heterosexual relationships have been/are still currently in ME and games in general.
Now, if you feel the level of "adult relayshunz" in general throughout the game was high, okay then.  
I disagree, but I've worked pretty hard throughout my life to get over my American hangups regarding sexuality.



As a straight male, I actually think Bioware did an excellent job with the romances in general (I'm so sorry, Jack fans!) and with Traynor specifically for what I feel is a very poignant reason.
I didn't get to romance her, even though I really, really wanted to!


She's just the kind of woman that gets my head spinning in real life.  She's a brilliant, funny brunette with a sexy accent and she's not afraid to beat my ass in a boardgame.  She is le hottie!

After that game of chess in my cabin, I took the opening the game gave me expecting to make with some sexy time...

...and I got shut down!


Her sexual orientation was so subtle (in retrospect, the EDI voice thing should have been a clue!) that I had absolutely no idea until the moment she all but said to me "Your equipment is not up to specification Commander, sorry!"

Just like in real life, I didn't know until I asked, and I did the awkward stumbling afterward to ease the tension.



Now, a situation like that has happened once or twice to me in the real world (from both perspectives), but never in a videogame.

I'm a straight male!  This doesn't happen in games!  These things are supposed to always work out for me!
Except this time it didn't!


Now I know what it is like to have a romanceable character I am really interested in, and not have a sword big enough to beat the Sexual Orientation miniboss.

The same Sexual Orientation miniboss my gay friends have lost to time and time again in the past, so often they have gotten used to the fact that most of the people they find appealing in games won't respond to them.


I'm glad more homosexual options are being introduced in games, especially now that I know how much it sucks to lose to that miniboss.

[fafnir magnus]

Gotta love how people portraying a homosexual male shepard must instantly find cortez attractive or you're just SoL

[AlienWolf728]

hey, my shep's been bangin' a blue alien. In the future I would just assume being openly gay would be accepted, considering all the alien sex that goes on.

Modifié par AlienWolf728, 03 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[PeterG1]

If by "forced" you mean goofy ragdoll animations and haphazard physics creating jagged and goofy romantic exchanges...makes the characters look like string puppets? Yea I agree.

But no, I don't agree that the characters, their arcs, their personalities, or relationships are forced. It's actually some of the best and in-depth character writing in any video game franchise. Including the romance. Some of it can be, at times, cliche, but even that's in the minority.

As far as Kaidan? I know what you all mean. I look at it like this. Kaidan loves Shepard. So yea, his sexual orientation might be bi- or whatnot, but I think it's a little deeper than that, creatively. The character loves Shepard in not just an admirable or respectable way, but also in a romantic way. If Kaidan was real (and maybe his BioWare writers would chime in) he wouldn't care about the orientation as much as his own affection for Shepard, whether man or woman. So to him it doesn't matter, the person is more important than the gender.

[SgtThompson]

Well, considering I unknowingly walked into a relationship with Liara.... yes.

I wanted to continue the Tali relationship, but she apparently had a thing for Garrus... that b****

[MrnDpty161]

Nope - as a Male Shep, I didn't feel in the least pushed, and I'm guessing the only option was that fighter pilot guy. I actually liked his Character - he was strait forward, knew his job, and missed his husband. So you know whatever, it was woven into the narrative in a tasteful way and not shoved in my face as if it was a nesessity --- unlike DA2 in which Anders pokes his face in mine in an almost un-natrual rabid tone " Ohhh boy oh boy -- Hey Hawke --- I got some urges!!"

Its like... now how the @#@$@#$ did you even get to that from my actions?

Can't say with the female Shepard -- did it feel natrual with Traynor? I thought she was a very well rounded character - and her being a lesbian wasn't even out there either from a male prospective.

All in all --- they did a good job at not trying too hard that it looked like last min fan service...but they did in effect, go against their original promotion that there wouldn't be anymore new Li's for Shepard when clearly they made 3 new ones. Come to think of it --- that should have been the first foreshadow that all wasn't well there in Denmark.

[sedrikhcain]

GhostlyMaiden wrote...

Mildly surprised. Then indifference. Haven't even finished my first playthrough so far. In the previous games, homosexuality was mostly implied at best. Then I talk to Cortez and he says "my husband" just like that. First thought was "They actually did that?" I know plenty of guys who'd go "OMG GAY!" or get that "I've got nothing against gays, but stay away from me" reaction. Kudos to BioWare for actually having the balls to put that in.

I did not have the same reaction as OP did in regards to the woman, her mistress, and her husband. It just seemed like a standard adulterer scenario and didn't appear to condone it. Especially later in their conversation where there seems to be atleast a 50% chance that those two might break up.

There was also another instance in the Purgatory Bar where this one woman could not figure out that the guy she was talking with was gay. That had been amusing to say the least. Even made me scream "He. Is. Gay!" at the screen. I wonder how many others didn't realize it either.

EDI and Joker, saw it coming. Simple as that.

Traynor shower scene is hot, but not worth dumping Garrus for. Keeping a save on the side, however...

Ultimately, I'm indifferent. I don't see the difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality besides the genitalia involved.

Skimming through this thread and never even thought about the sexuality of those two women in the hallway at the commons until reading this post. Probably because one of them is an asari (I think) and their omni-sexuality is franchise lore.

On EDI and Joker, I really find it hard to believe they're even being discussed here. C'mon, it's a light-hearted story that is ultimately a play on the fact that Joker's true love is and has always been the ship he's piloting. Now he can LITERALLY make love to it. That's a great, fun storyline. Sexuality and sexual orientation really have precious little to do with it, if anything.

What is the big deal, really? Is it that threatening to hear people even talking about s/s partners in a video game? I mean, for anyone who feels that way, I strongly suggest that you learn to relax and let other people live their lives -- especially when they're not even actual living beings but just pixels on a monitor.

Now, as for the idea of the sexuality being forced in ME3 in general, while I agree with what you're saying about the romances, I think a better way to put it would be that they felt like they were rushed or hastily put together as an afterthought. I'm about midway through my second playthrough and I haven't seen a good "love story" yet. My first Shep was not a faithful dude, so I didn't expect a big, warm-hearted story but the "romance" with Liara was so ridiculously rushed and short that it was hardly worth playing through.

The dialogue, roughly:

Shep: I think we'd be good together
Liara: Me, too
Shep: Great

Shep walks away, several hours of gameplay later, she shows up in his cabin and they have sex. That was it. No other dialogue. No other cut scenes. Nothing. What was the point, really?

[NAWhisperBlade]

I don't think it's forced. Think about it this way; Your character is probably good looking, relatively charismatic, and just saved the galaxy. So yes, people are attracted to you.

I get hit on by gay guys and straights girls alike where I live. Keep an open-mind and it's no different than real life.

[iAmWhitey]

Its a very slippery slope to fall into a relationship with Cortez or Kaiden.
It was kinda annoying they're like so in Love with you, especially Kaiden. There were many gay moments with them...