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[DanteTrixter]

Not really. In ME3 after I became friends with Cortez he said he was looking for eye candy and just like I do with my IRL friends that are homosexual I joked and said "Hey man what about me?" I'm not really implying I want be with them. It's just jokes between friends and they know that I am straight. I would like to think in the the future some guy saying he has/had a husband won't really shock you all that much. Cortez wasn't a stereotypical gay guy you see which I actually liked. He was a normal guy who liked guys and honestly im ok with that in Mass Effect or in any other game be it story driven like this or action. Id only feel weird about it if the moment you and Cortez became an item the "normal guy" went flying out the window and Shepard and Cortez oiled up each other and had a pillow fight. Not only did I just scar some male brains. But I just broke Shepard and Cortez's character. Which is NOT ok. But them holding hands and sleeping together? Well what else are they gonna do? High five >_>

[Roninraver]

sedrikhcain wrote...
Skimming through this thread and never even thought about the sexuality of those two women in the hallway at the commons until reading this post. Probably because one of them is an asari (I think) and their omni-sexuality is franchise lore.

On EDI and Joker, I really find it hard to believe they're even being discussed here. C'mon, it's a light-hearted story that is ultimately a play on the fact that Joker's true love is and has always been the ship he's piloting. Now he can LITERALLY make love to it. That's a great, fun storyline. Sexuality and sexual orientation really have precious little to do with it, if anything.

What is the big deal, really? Is it that threatening to hear people even talking about s/s partners in a video game? I mean, for anyone who feels that way, I strongly suggest that you learn to relax and let other people live their lives -- especially when they're not even actual living beings but just pixels on a monitor.

Now, as for the idea of the sexuality being forced in ME3 in general, while I agree with what you're saying about the romances, I think a better way to put it would be that they felt like they were rushed or hastily put together as an afterthought. I'm about midway through my second playthrough and I haven't seen a good "love story" yet. My first Shep was not a faithful dude, so I didn't expect a big, warm-hearted story but the "romance" with Liara was so ridiculously rushed and short that it was hardly worth playing through.

The dialogue, roughly:

Shep: I think we'd be good together
Liara: Me, too
Shep: Great

Shep walks away, several hours of gameplay later, she shows up in his cabin and they have sex. That was it. No other dialogue. No other cut scenes. Nothing. What was the point, really?

I heartily recommend the Tali romance.  She has several great scenes and a good amount of extra romance-centric exposition if you bring her along on missions.


Her scene near the end in London is awesome, bit of a tearjerker.

[Edrick1976]

No I did not felt forced to do anything... not like DA2 where I wanted to just be friendly with someone and I ended up in a romance...

[Xandurpein]

I think Bioware is doing a wonderful job in making homosexual relationships visible and hopefully more acceptable. Yes, it's a bit awkward to turn someone down, but that's true when they are of the opposite sex too. I do agree that on the whole Bioware is making it way to easy to resolve romantoc conflicts. (In reality there's a good chance you lose both if your gf finds out you are dating someone else...) but this is entertainment and they don't make it too hard to win the girl /guy.

[Xandurpein]

Stupid iPhone. Double post.

Modifié par Xandurpein, 03 avril 2012 - 07:39 .

[lucidfox]

Does anyone else feel the homosexuality (and the sexuality in general) is a little forced?

Um... no.

Next!

[Aerevane]

Nah.

[cutegigi]

DanteTrixter wrote...
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Cortez wasn't a stereotypical gay guy you see which I actually liked. He was a normal guy who liked guys and honestly im ok with that in Mass Effect or in any other game be it story driven like this or action.
-snip-

nah... I noticed something is different almost immediately. So i dont think cortez is just a normal guy that happens to like guys. He likes guys and it shows. But its ok, nothing wromng with that

Modifié par cutegigi, 03 avril 2012 - 07:48 .

[goofyomnivore]

I think they do a good job with sex and romance. However I do not want to see any more EDI and Miranda catsuits/sex'd up fanservice. Dump the outdated alignment system and you get rid of the paragon/renegade dump/turn them down part. Romantic conflicts need to do more. If you romanced Ashley in ME1 dumped her for Tali in ME2 then tried to romance Liara in ME3. Liara shouldn't just go with it she should question your commitment and possibly turn you down.

[mirage2154]

honestly it's very creepy you know. I been trying really hard to avoit those sence, but I think someone may be enjoying it

[RenascentAnt1]

Khevan77 wrote...

If Cortez had said "I lost my wife" instead of "I lost my husband" we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It would have been a sad part of his backstory, but it wouldn't garner any more attention than that, as it should be. But since it's a homosexual reference, I think it's being given more importance than it really should be. Bioware isn't shoving it in our faces, Cortez is openly gay, it's accepted in 2186 that this is nothing extraordinary, so why shouldn't he talk about it?

In case anyone reads more into this than I intended, this is in no way meant as an attack or anything resembling an attack on anyone. I just wanted to point out the double standard here. If Cortez's remarks were about a heterosexual relationship, we wouldn't be having an issue. But since they're about a homosexual relationship, it's an issue? That is a double standard that I think really shouldn't exist.

^This.

I liked the Cortez/Shepard romance on the whole. One thing that irritated me slightly was that Cortez was grieving for his husband, and seemed to only have let go of his memories recently, and then he got together with Shepard??

[MPSai]

RenascentAnt1 wrote...

I liked the Cortez/Shepard romance on the whole. One thing that irritated me slightly was that Cortez was grieving for his husband, and seemed to only have let go of his memories recently, and then he got together with Shepard??

Well Thane can get together with Shepard while still grieving his wife. It seems that Shepard, male or female, is just that potent. You all know it.

[Wulfram]

I found Cortez' plot line a bit tedious.  Guy with a dead spouse again?  His interaction with Vega was more fun, though.

His homosexuality was irrelevant.  Apart from meaning my Femshep could paragon freely without worrying about getting into a romance.

[Goroxx]

 Being straight myself, I was a little uncomfortable with Cortez when I first found out, and felt that they were maybe trying too hard.  

But after finishing the game and some reflection, I do appreciate what Bioware did...the homosexual aspects of the game were tastefully understated and just...well...there.  No flamboyancy, no screaming in-your-face "out and proud" moments, it was just one facet of the characters and as a player if you liked it, you could pursue it; if you didn't, you could just ignore it and move on.  

As for the sexuality as a whole, I think that the Mass Effect series does a wonderful job of with it.  Its never just gratuitous porn, its always tied to Shepard's personal relationship with that character.  Take Kelly Chambers in ME2 for example.  Even though she wasn't a true love interest like the others in the game and who you could have a "fling" with, Shepard's fling with her wasn't just a throwaway moment - you as a player KNEW Kelly, from the many conversations you had with her.  Shepard knew her as a person, not just a sex partner (my Shepard never slept with her, but damned if I didn't try my hardest to rescue her from the Collectors.  Which made me screwing up in ME3 and getting her killed all that more devastating.  Rot in hell, Cerberus)

Plus, the romance/sex is always optional - another example of how they've incorporated player choice into the game. So I don't think its really all that forced.

Modifié par Goroxx, 03 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[Sailfindragon]

I thought the Cortez was a great character and him being gay didn't feel forced.
Kaiden on the other hand is something entirely different. This is a character we have known for a long time, I got such a shock when he made a pass at my maleshep!! That felt forced.

[Teacher50]

Back to OP...

Well if you live long enough and mingle in life, you actually hear those same conversations. Frankly, one might even get involved in a situation themselves. They didn't surprise me. I just took it as the developer trying to pose real life situations. Most people will simply take them and deal with them in the same way they would in their own lives, good, bad, or indifferent.

[ed87]

Yeah, i had to tip-toe around the dialogue options for Cortez. I didnt want my Shepard accidentally becoming gay even after romancing Ashley and Miranda...

[Bantz]

I thought the romances were handled well for the most part. Especially tali up until the "romance scene" which was a joke.

As for the homosexual relationships. I really didn't mind them at all except for Kaidan. He bugged the hell out of me. I thought the other two were well done and pretty natural. If you hit on the lesbian you could have some fun dialog and then when you make your move you get turned down, pretty realistic. But Kaidan he goes from "i don't trust you" to "whats up bro" to "hey... bro how YOU doin " the triggers for the gay romance with Kaidan were way to weird. Dude asks me to have a steak and chill, i'm like ok cool. Then he starts hitting on me. At least with Cortez we go to the bar, have a drink we're chillin and he mentions the eye candy. You get the choice of saying "i like the girls dancing" and that ends the gay relationship line if you don't want it. Kaidans was just awkward and weird.

[Turran]

Nope, it didn't really feel forced.


He was an upset man, if he lost his wife I am sure we would gain the exact same convo except 'Husband' would be replaced with 'Wife'. Suddenly, it wouldn't seem forced and more a man grieving over a woman.

The Citadel thing? In ME1 within the Citadel you can see female couples (Asari and Humans) cuddling and being all romantic. In ME2 we also had the whole scenario with Morinth, her latest kill being a girl (And this girl being confused over her sexuality).


While I do agree about the adultery part and my reaction went from shocked to "I hope you both get what you deserve" whenever I passed them, I didn't feel it was a force of homosexuality.

(If you want to use an example, use Renegade FemShep when talking to the Consort in ME1. By being cheeky and saying "Is this it?" you find yourself in a sex scene with her.)

[tjc2]

Taleroth wrote...

I still say ME2 Tali was creepy.

Didn't you realize Tali is a beautiful Human model with 3 fingers?

[Leafs43]

Cortez I felt was certainly forced.

Every other scene he is crying about his gaymo husband.

The only option to get around his sexuality is never talk to him at all, ever.

And because of how previous games handled loyal missions, you always feel compelled to talk to every one.

Modifié par Leafs43, 03 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[FreshRevenge]

these are my thoughts on the sex in the games or the romance within the game. This is my view point since I was romancing Liara.

When you first meet her you both touch each other romantically, like you are both happy to see each other.

Than when you on the Normandy Liara asks Shepard if Shepard was still interested? Excuse me? I basically was about to kiss you on Mars when we first met! Than after that Liara doesn't say anything. Except Good to see you again!

That at the end right before you storm the Illusive man base, you have a choice of having her stay there? I mean you are in a relationship why would you tell your love interest to F^ck off?

Than when Shepard gets the email that Liara wants to see Shepard in her cabin. There was no kissing. I would think if Liara was your love interest and that you confirm to her that you were still interested that you would of got a kiss out of that?

Then you get a email that says that Liara wants to meet you on Citatel. This to me was a slap. Liara just says that she is happy to be friends? Excuse me?

1.We fondle each other when we met on mars.
2. I confirm to you that I am still interested
3 You kiss me on the cheek since you thought we were going to be exterminated!

I mean it was like Liara forgot we were together? I mean I had to force the responses out of LIara, So no I don't think the sex options were forced.

On the note of Cortez, I was playing as a female Shepard so I wasn't pursuing a relationship with Cortez but I turn to be his friend. I mean Cortez never blurted out I need SEX NOW SHEPARD!He needed a friend because of his lost! It really pays off at the end since he survives the crash!

Modifié par FreshRevenge, 03 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[Cuddlezarro]

ed87 wrote...

Yeah, i had to tip-toe around the dialogue options for Cortez. I didnt want my Shepard accidentally becoming gay even after romancing Ashley and Miranda...

because you so need to tip toe around him when theres only one converstation in the game where you can get in a relationship with him and only if you pick the clearly labled I LIKE MEN options

[BDelacroix]

I got to a point in ME3 where I stopped wanting to talk to anyone. It seemed that every conversation started turning toward a sexual option. This didn't happen in 1 or 2. Maybe in my play through they all came about at the same time through whatever order of events I did but it got creepy.

The sex stuff is still optional, but there is a lot more of it in the game now than there was. It was never a selling point for me but they wanted to make it into a bigger part. It was almost like those cliche porn plots. Order pizza and .... no. I have a galaxy to save people, stop all this.

[SlyTF1]

It felt forced to me. And it annoyed me. Not enough to make me quit the game, I just quit talking to Cortez after I found out.