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[dawtree]

No, I didn't feel that way. If one of the characters hit on you, just say no.

Also, the situation in the game is that the end of the galaxy is at hand, so it makes sense (to me) that people would be more open sexually.

[billida]

She is the canon romance only if you make it happen.

[frylock23]

Arik7 wrote...

This thread would not exist if Cortez mentioned his wife. It's a little sickening how gay people are expected to constantly justify their existence and address garbage complains such as the OP.

Cortez's declaration is not something you often see in today's mainstream media, and it is very refreshing. Good job, BioWare.

Actually, the only part about Cortez that really pissed me off was how they killed him if you didn't follow him all the way up. I would have said this is he had a wife, too. That he had a husband only makes it worse because now it feels like they only did it because he was hooked up to a controversial topic.

[Kawamura]

Dest1ny wrote...


To be frank, half of the people in this thread have brought this up, especially considering these replies. Nothing wrong with stating a 'certain' truth. By normal I mean, unable to bear children. You have your opinions, I have mine, and mine isn't intentionally or necessarily offensive. To an extent some people are just... Maybe defensive? I was simply comparing two types of sexuality to the games aspect of sexuality (which do obviously exist), saying it wasn't exactly OTT as I said, but still just somehow felt forced. Oh and for further reference, by noting I meant people noticing the homosexual content in the game.

Bit uncalled for that I have to 'defend' myself now. I can clearly see this is a homosexual and homosexual defence squad thread. So much for the essence of equality. Love how I'm being slated as homophobic now though. Typical response . Voice your thoughts (which could be largely more 'offensive' from other peoples lips) and you still get slammed for it. 
 

Ability to bear children as the definition of normal would probably be a bad idea, as many cross sex couples have problems concieving due to a number of factors (age, environment, etc). 

[x-Killision-X]

NO. you can avoid these if you choose, kinda like real life if your not intrested.

Modifié par x-Killision-X, 03 avril 2012 - 07:09 .

[wook77]

frylock23 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread would not exist if Cortez mentioned his wife. It's a little sickening how gay people are expected to constantly justify their existence and address garbage complains such as the OP.

Cortez's declaration is not something you often see in today's mainstream media, and it is very refreshing. Good job, BioWare.

Actually, the only part about Cortez that really pissed me off was how they killed him if you didn't follow him all the way up. I would have said this is he had a wife, too. That he had a husband only makes it worse because now it feels like they only did it because he was hooked up to a controversial topic.

I didn't follow his love relationship and he lived through the end for me. I just completed the friendship conversations.

[TheAwesomologist]

I do like that ME3 made homosexuality a "non-issue". Cortez mentions he had a husband and Shepard just nods like it's no big deal (because it isn't).

That said I found Cortez to be a little creepy with some of his lines before you end up shutting him down in Purgatory. It wasn't terrible, just a little creepy. Anders in DA2 was horrible. If you turned him down you lost reputation points with him.

I've said it before, I'm jealous of FemSheps getting Traynor. She's the one gal Shepard can get with that isn't an alien or has issues (besides losing her tooth brush). What's up with the only gal in the galaxy without issues being a lesbian?

In the end Bioware handled it fine.

[Kawamura]

frylock23 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

This thread would not exist if Cortez mentioned his wife. It's a little sickening how gay people are expected to constantly justify their existence and address garbage complains such as the OP.

Cortez's declaration is not something you often see in today's mainstream media, and it is very refreshing. Good job, BioWare.

Actually, the only part about Cortez that really pissed me off was how they killed him if you didn't follow him all the way up. I would have said this is he had a wife, too. That he had a husband only makes it worse because now it feels like they only did it because he was hooked up to a controversial topic.

If you finish his friendship, he lives. 

You don't have to let into your mass relay.

[moonlightwolf]

 Its not really forced, a little awkwardly written at times but thats cos these things are hard to write well. Overall it was a pretty good attempt being genuine

[Chrillze]

billida wrote...

She is the canon romance only if you make it happen.

she is the canon romance, no need to deny it

[ed87]

Ashilana wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Yeah, i had to tip-toe around the dialogue options for Cortez. I didnt want my Shepard accidentally becoming gay even after romancing Ashley and Miranda...

because you so need to tip toe around him when theres only one converstation in the game where you can get in a relationship with him and only if you pick the clearly labled I LIKE MEN options

I wonder if people feel this way in real life... worried that they might blurt out "I like men" while walking down the street.

Been to many gay clubs (girl friends love them). Had many guys hit on me before because my friends would be cruel and tell a guy that im gay. I like to dress well so that doesnt help.

To answer your question, Im worried about people thinking im gay in certain situations. Especially in the club where it is more socially acceptable for a drunk guy to grab my ass and persist even if i walk away.

[billida]

Exactly, the word no exists for a reason. In real life you can meet a lot of different people who could find you attractive, and you can say NO to any of them, man or woman.

[Valraine]

Dest1ny wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

Because y'know... It's 'normal'? Fact is, homosexuality is different, no matter how you look at it, and it was noted more consistently in ME3. If that wasn't true, people wouldn't be noting it. There's a natural homosexuality, and there's a really forced version. Just like those homosexuals who are exceptionally gilrly and FLING their sexual orientation in your face. OTT kind. However, ME wasn't like that.

Please tone down the homophobia and transphobia.  I am sure that I am not the only one who will have reported you for this last set of comments.

To be frank, half of the people in this thread have brought this up, especially considering these replies. Nothing wrong with stating a 'certain' truth. By normal I mean, unable to bear children. You have your opinions, I have mine, and mine isn't intentionally or necessarily offensive. To an extent some people are just... Maybe defensive? I was simply comparing two types of sexuality to the games aspect of sexuality (which do obviously exist), saying it wasn't exactly OTT as I said, but still just somehow felt forced. Oh and for further reference, by noting I meant people noticing the homosexual content in the game.

Bit uncalled for that I have to 'defend' myself now. I can clearly see this is a homosexual and homosexual defence squad thread. So much for the essence of equality. Love how I'm being slated as homophobic now though. Typical response . Voice your thoughts (which could be largely more 'offensive' from other peoples lips) and you still get slammed for it. 
 

So the definition of normal is apparently being able to reproduce? Are sterile heterosexuals not normal? It may not be intentionally offensive, but it certainly is offensive when you attribute human beings to being "not normal" because of a petty difference such as their sexual orientation, which homosexuals already get plenty of BS about it in this so called "age of tolerance." Honestly, I wish I lived 200 years in the future. Are we defensive? Umm, I don't know, maybe when you attribute me being "not normal"?  Well if you would compare, you'd find out how fantastically accepted homosexuality was, contrary to the real life perception. Yes, it felt somehow forced, but even you're unable to explain WHY. I personally believe that it just spooked you; you're not used to seeing it, and you don't like it. We get it, but you can just walk away. You don't have to romance Steve Cortez, as far as I'm aware you can only really romance him at the bar, which is after the quest for him, and even then you have to make the initial flirt.

Ofcourse you're being "slated" as homophobic, because of the words you've chosen, whether they're mistakenly used or appropriately used.

[Visserian99]

Tietj wrote...

As a gay person, I sometimes run into the same thing the op is talking about in real life, even though I try pretty hard not to. It's difficult for me to talk about or introduce my boyfriend to people without feeling like I might as well just wrap myself in a rainbow flag. With some people, it doesn't matter how nonchalantly or tactfully I try to slip it into conversation, I can tell they're uncomfortable.

The truth is, Cortez mentions that he had a husband, now deceased. If that feels like he is forcing his homosexuality on you, so be it. Perhaps in the future, people won't feel that mentioning the person they love is some sort of political statement.

I'm a gay person, I'm in the same boat as well when it comes to mentioning that I have a bf. Although I'm currently at the point where I just stopped caring if people are uncomfortable around me or not when they do find out. People ask if I'm married or have a gf, I say no but I have a bf, and I go on with the conversation and life as usual. If they take it well, which thankfully has been the reaction I've most commonly found, then great. If not, well its just not my problem. I'm sick and tired of having to be the poster boy for normal guy who happens to be gay and trying to make other people feel comfortable about it.

As for Cortez, it didn't feel forced at all. It seemed like you walked in on him having a private moment, like you do with most characters. And you can pursue it or not pursue it as you see fit. The only part I didn't like was that after helping him start to get over the death of husband and start to move on, he tries to hit on Shep. I understand wanting to hook up with someone to remember you are still alive, especially in a war situation. But it felt a little too soon for him to start looking for something more 'serious'.

Modifié par Visserian99, 03 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[wook77]

Dest1ny wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

Because y'know... It's 'normal'? Fact is, homosexuality is different, no matter how you look at it, and it was noted more consistently in ME3. If that wasn't true, people wouldn't be noting it. There's a natural homosexuality, and there's a really forced version. Just like those homosexuals who are exceptionally gilrly and FLING their sexual orientation in your face. OTT kind. However, ME wasn't like that.

Please tone down the homophobia and transphobia.  I am sure that I am not the only one who will have reported you for this last set of comments.

To be frank, half of the people in this thread have brought this up, especially considering these replies. Nothing wrong with stating a 'certain' truth. By normal I mean, unable to bear children. You have your opinions, I have mine, and mine isn't intentionally or necessarily offensive. To an extent some people are just... Maybe defensive? I was simply comparing two types of sexuality to the games aspect of sexuality (which do obviously exist), saying it wasn't exactly OTT as I said, but still just somehow felt forced. Oh and for further reference, by noting I meant people noticing the homosexual content in the game.

Bit uncalled for that I have to 'defend' myself now. I can clearly see this is a homosexual and homosexual defence squad thread. So much for the essence of equality. Love how I'm being slated as homophobic now though. Typical response . Voice your thoughts (which could be largely more 'offensive' from other peoples lips) and you still get slammed for it. Anyways, think I'll back off from this thread considering the inability to have some opinions without getting put down for them and bringing out the usual replies and arguments. 
 

So now I can't have a "normal" relationship because my uterus doesn't work, even if I'm in male/female relationship? Good to know!

*reports this one too*

[Kawamura]

ed87 wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Yeah, i had to tip-toe around the dialogue options for Cortez. I didnt want my Shepard accidentally becoming gay even after romancing Ashley and Miranda...

because you so need to tip toe around him when theres only one converstation in the game where you can get in a relationship with him and only if you pick the clearly labled I LIKE MEN options

I wonder if people feel this way in real life... worried that they might blurt out "I like men" while walking down the street.

Been to many gay clubs (girl friends love them). Had many guys hit on me before because my friends would be cruel and tell a guy that im gay. I like to dress well so that doesnt help.

To answer your question, Im worried about people thinking im gay in certain situations. Especially in the club where it is more socially acceptable for a drunk guy to grab my ass and persist even if i walk away.

Sexual harrassment isn't really about your sexual orientation, though. 

Well. I mean. It can be. But if someone's grabbing your ass long after the point you've said "no", that's not an "oh, they must think I'm gay" issue, as a gay man also should be allowed to say "no" as well. 

[MakeMineMako]

The romances were done in a cheesy manner. But I don't think that any of them felt forced.

For example, I never got the impression that Cortez was coming on to me. He came across as a guy who needed a friend and a sympathetic ear. Nothing more.

[ed87]

Kawamura wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Yeah, i had to tip-toe around the dialogue options for Cortez. I didnt want my Shepard accidentally becoming gay even after romancing Ashley and Miranda...

because you so need to tip toe around him when theres only one converstation in the game where you can get in a relationship with him and only if you pick the clearly labled I LIKE MEN options

I wonder if people feel this way in real life... worried that they might blurt out "I like men" while walking down the street.

Been to many gay clubs (girl friends love them). Had many guys hit on me before because my friends would be cruel and tell a guy that im gay. I like to dress well so that doesnt help.

To answer your question, Im worried about people thinking im gay in certain situations. Especially in the club where it is more socially acceptable for a drunk guy to grab my ass and persist even if i walk away.

Sexual harrassment isn't really about your sexual orientation, though. 

Well. I mean. It can be. But if someone's grabbing your ass long after the point you've said "no", that's not an "oh, they must think I'm gay" issue, as a gay man also should be allowed to say "no" as well. 

Dont lose the subject.

The question was, am i worried about people thinking im gay? The answer is, only when im in a gay night club.

Many girls use the defence mechanism of "i have a boyfriend" to repel sleazy guys. This is similar. I prefer people to think im a straight guy in a gay club, as opposed to having to reject sexual advances. It is a preference, and my preference answers the question.

Im not opposed to gay people (they can be quite funny), i just dont enjoy the sexual advances.

Modifié par ed87, 03 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Iconoclaste]

Visserian99 wrote...

As for Cortez, it didn't feel forced at all. It seemed like you walked in on him having a private moment, like you do with most characters. And you can pursue it or not pursue it as you see fit. The only part I didn't like was that after helping him start to get over the death of husband and start to move on, he tries to hit on Shep. I understand wanting to hook up with someone to remember you are still alive, especially in a war situation. But it felt a little too soon for him to start looking for something more 'serious'.

I felt the same way. Having "romanced" another character in the game (continued from ME2), and seeing many others were "aware" of this in ME2 at least, I felt Cortez didn't care about that. He's much more "secondary" to the story than most LI, so I wondered why, since his "interactions" were limited in-game, this option was given at all. They could have put a little more "substance" to actual LI's rather than just adding "diversity" for the sake of "diversity". Why no Krogan LI, then? Or volus?...

Seeing how Tali reacted towards Shepard hesitating between Miranda and herself, I doubt the pilot downstairs would have liked to challenge her...

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 03 avril 2012 - 07:29 .

[-Sxx-]

Valraine wrote...
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Used to it. Very much so. Actually, despite 'popular' belief of those defensive people replying, I'm fine with it.

wook77 wrote...
So now I can't have a "normal" relationship because my uterus doesn't work, even if I'm in male/female relationship? Good to know!

*reports this one too*

 

Oh and wook77, never said you couldn't have a 'normal' relationship, as you put it. You should stop overreacting and taking things out proportion.

Modifié par Dest1ny, 03 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[Kawamura]

ed87 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Yeah, i had to tip-toe around the dialogue options for Cortez. I didnt want my Shepard accidentally becoming gay even after romancing Ashley and Miranda...

because you so need to tip toe around him when theres only one converstation in the game where you can get in a relationship with him and only if you pick the clearly labled I LIKE MEN options

I wonder if people feel this way in real life... worried that they might blurt out "I like men" while walking down the street.

Been to many gay clubs (girl friends love them). Had many guys hit on me before because my friends would be cruel and tell a guy that im gay. I like to dress well so that doesnt help.

To answer your question, Im worried about people thinking im gay in certain situations. Especially in the club where it is more socially acceptable for a drunk guy to grab my ass and persist even if i walk away.

Sexual harrassment isn't really about your sexual orientation, though. 

Well. I mean. It can be. But if someone's grabbing your ass long after the point you've said "no", that's not an "oh, they must think I'm gay" issue, as a gay man also should be allowed to say "no" as well. 

Dont lose the subject.

The question was, am i worried about people thinking im gay? The answer is, only when im in a gay night club.

Many girls use the defence mechanism of "i have a boyfriend" to repel sleazy guys. This is similar. I prefer people to think im a straight guy in a gay club, as opposed to having to reject sexual advances. It is a preference, and my preference answers the question.

Im not opposed to gay people (they can be quite funny), i just dont enjoy the sexual advances.

I can assure that your sexual orienation does not matter for sleezy people. 

If someone is sleezy, you'll get sexual advances. Doesn't matter if you tell them that you're taken or of a different sexual orientation. 

[wook77]

Dest1ny wrote...

Valraine wrote...
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Used to it. Very much so. Actually, despite 'popular' belief of those defensive people replying, I'm fine with it.

wook77 wrote...
So now I can't have a "normal" relationship because my uterus doesn't work, even if I'm in male/female relationship? Good to know!

*reports this one too*

 

Oh and wook77, never said you couldn't have a 'normal' relationship, as you put it. You should stop overreacting and taking things out proportion.

You said that a normal relationship is one that has children as a result, thus homosexual relationships are not normal because there is no chance of children from that relationship. I'm pointing out the logical inconsistency of your position by pointing out that my uterus does not work so if I get married to a man, I cannot have children, thus not a normal relationship to you. You're the one pulling out the trite idea that the only real relationships are the ones where some woman gets pregnant. This tired and appalling definition of relationships does not take into account those of us that cannot have children, those of us that choose not to have children and other non-"normal" (in your opinion) relationships.

The sad part is, I'm not taking things out of proportion at all, I'm showing why your views are dated and homophobic by drawing your statement out to its logical conclusion.

Caring, loving relationships between same-sex couples appear in many, many species from dolphins to penguins to giraffes to bugs and birds and other mammals.

[ed87]

Kawamura wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

ed87 wrote...

Yeah, i had to tip-toe around the dialogue options for Cortez. I didnt want my Shepard accidentally becoming gay even after romancing Ashley and Miranda...

because you so need to tip toe around him when theres only one converstation in the game where you can get in a relationship with him and only if you pick the clearly labled I LIKE MEN options

I wonder if people feel this way in real life... worried that they might blurt out "I like men" while walking down the street.

Been to many gay clubs (girl friends love them). Had many guys hit on me before because my friends would be cruel and tell a guy that im gay. I like to dress well so that doesnt help.

To answer your question, Im worried about people thinking im gay in certain situations. Especially in the club where it is more socially acceptable for a drunk guy to grab my ass and persist even if i walk away.

Sexual harrassment isn't really about your sexual orientation, though. 

Well. I mean. It can be. But if someone's grabbing your ass long after the point you've said "no", that's not an "oh, they must think I'm gay" issue, as a gay man also should be allowed to say "no" as well. 

Dont lose the subject.

The question was, am i worried about people thinking im gay? The answer is, only when im in a gay night club.

Many girls use the defence mechanism of "i have a boyfriend" to repel sleazy guys. This is similar. I prefer people to think im a straight guy in a gay club, as opposed to having to reject sexual advances. It is a preference, and my preference answers the question.

Im not opposed to gay people (they can be quite funny), i just dont enjoy the sexual advances.

I can assure that your sexual orienation does not matter for sleezy people. 

If someone is sleezy, you'll get sexual advances. Doesn't matter if you tell them that you're taken or of a different sexual orientation. 

Subject is being lost again. Lets try this the long way.

"I can assure that your sexual orienation does not matter for sleezy people." -Wrong. In many situations i have been in, i was harassed because the guy was told that i was gay and single (as a practical joke). He was sleazy, and he only pursued me because he thought i was gay. I know this because i watched him ask my friends about me before even trying anything. I repeat, he was sleazy and pursued once he thought i was gay. I have many of these examples. Therefore your statement is wrong.

Sleazy people want to get laid too, they dont want to waste time with people that will be hostile. They do not want to be met with homophobia. If i am labeled straight, i am less likely to be harassed.

No one is going to believe that the "im straight" defence will repel ALL sleazy guys in a gay night club, and girls know the 'boyfriend' defence is not 100% effective. But we all use these defenses because they will work in certain situations. I used to go to gay night clubs every week. Sometimes twice a week. I know from experience that its easier for me to have a good time if no one thinks im gay.

This brings us back to topic. I do not want to blurt out im gay at a gay night club. It attracts the type of attention i do not want.

Trying to counter that by saying "yeah well you can get harassed even if people think youre straight" is illogical and changes the subject. I am not looking for immunity to being harassed, i am looking to minimise it.


EDIT: For the record, lose the topic a third time and there will be no reply.

Modifié par ed87, 03 avril 2012 - 08:02 .

[AtlasMickey]

Yes, but then I was a Liara-mancer and she basically mind-rapes Shepard in the first game, lol. I was never really sure how to react to that romance.

Also did the Kelly Chambers thing and... umm... hmm.. well she may have issues, lol.

Finally I did the Samantha Traynor thing before starting over from a previous save because whoooaaaa I did not like the devilish look on femshep while watching Traynor shower. Jesus.

So, yes, yes, and yes. Part of the reason I simply prefer not to think of Mass Effect as a dating sim, like most people seem want to...

[pikey1969]

Implementation of Cortez as a homosexual character was perfectly fine in my opinion. Him grieving over his dead husband was a perfect way to bring in and note his homosexuality, and doing it so without a huge fuss was abig plus for me to see.

The notion of romances in general in DA and ME... well to be honest they're not all that integral components of the narrative really (well except morinth)... not for me anyway.

Modifié par pikey1969, 03 avril 2012 - 08:11 .