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[sioraf]

I really didn't have a problem with Cortez, it was the romance with Kaidan that seemed weird. It seemed kind of abrupt, oh btw I've been in love with you for the last 3 years...it made me want to go..really, you couldn't have given me a hint or something.
I know it's because there wasn't an option to romance him with male Shepard before, but there should have been some conversation choices to lead up to it in ME3.

I don't think the romance feels forced at any point, if you're not interested just say no, why would gender matter in that situation anyways?

I should have said no to Traynor, it would have saved me having to replay the whole dreadnaught mission because it ruined my Garrus romance.
But Garrus, I had to wash her back...she didn't have reach.

[darthclide]

IsaacShep wrote...

darthclide wrote...

I am a guy who thinks that being gay is immoral

And that's all we needed to hear

So because of my faith/beliefs you think that all my opinions shouldn't matter? That is very naive of you. What happened to being inclusive of ALL people, no matter their race, gender, or faith? Is it so horrible to listen to the opinions of someone, just because you don't agree with them on one subject?

[UrgentArchengel]

No, Steve tried, and I shot him down respectfully (Liara 4 Life), we became friends, simple as that.

[Tietj]

Please don't play the victim because people aren't tolerant of your intolerance.

[darthclide]

Dest1ny wrote...

Ashilana wrote...

Dest1ny wrote...

Because y'know... It's 'normal'? Fact is, homosexuality is different, no matter how you look at it, and it was noted more consistently in ME3. If that wasn't true, people wouldn't be noting it. There's a natural homosexuality, and there's a really forced version. Just like those homosexuals who are exceptionally gilrly and FLING their sexual orientation in your face. OTT kind. However, ME wasn't like that.

Please tone down the homophobia and transphobia.  I am sure that I am not the only one who will have reported you for this last set of comments.

To be frank, half of the people in this thread have brought this up, especially considering these replies. Nothing wrong with stating a 'certain' truth. By normal I mean, unable to bear children. You have your opinions, I have mine, and mine isn't intentionally or necessarily offensive. To an extent some people are just... Maybe defensive? I was simply comparing two types of sexuality to the games aspect of sexuality (which do obviously exist), saying it wasn't exactly OTT as I said, but still just somehow felt forced. Oh and for further reference, by noting I meant people noticing the homosexual content in the game.

Bit uncalled for that I have to 'defend' myself now. I can clearly see this is a homosexual and homosexual defence squad thread. So much for the essence of equality. Love how I'm being slated as homophobic now though. Typical response . Voice your thoughts (which could be largely more 'offensive' from other peoples lips) and you still get slammed for it. Anyways, think I'll back off from this thread considering the inability to have some opinions without getting put down for them and bringing out the usual replies and arguments. 
 

Ummm yah, I didn't see anything homophobic at all in that comment.

When people try to make the argument "well, thane must be forcing an opinion about heterosexuals because he said he lost his wife" is moot. If you are trying to "force an opinion" about something, it normally means you are "losing" a battle of some sort. In this case, gay people are NOT normal in the physical sense. (if that were the case, would we have population growth?) Because of this, you will always be seen as "forcing" an opinion (the opinion that gays are normal BOTH physically and mentally) no matter where you put gay references into a game. That being said, there are good ways and bad ways of showing what gays are like in a game. In this regard, I agree with the OP that things were a tad forced when he gets all "lubby dubby" when you talk to him on the Citadel. As well as the bigger problem of losing paragon points if you don't say something nice to him (reinforcing the simple-minded idea of "treat gays nicely and you will get points")

Modifié par darthclide, 07 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[Tietj]

Perhaps the idea, like in every Bioware game ever, is "treat people nicely and you will get points." Or did you want to get points for being nice to everyone in the game except the gay guy?

[darthclide]

Tietj wrote...

Perhaps the idea, like in every Bioware game ever, is "treat people nicely and you will get points." Or did you want to get points for being nice to everyone in the game except the gay guy?

I want to be treated like an intelligent human being and not like a dog. **keypoint** There were not that many "paragon quicktime right-click" events throughout the game. So when you decide to throw a few onto ONE character, it feels like you are trying to bait me into being nice to a gay person, with the added bonus of paragon points, which will in some lame and simple-minded way, reinforce an idea that I may, or may not agree with. 1. How do I know if these paragon points don't put me in a relationship I don't want? Thankfully now that I know that you have to actually say something to him to start the relationship, the second time around I won't be as concerned about my choices I make around him. 2. There should be a separation of "paragon" and "romance" points because of this. 3. In general, they changed the dynamics in this game in regards to dialogue so much, that I found myself continually making errors and having to reload. Only because I assumed they wouldn't change things mid-series. Which btw, they have left the WYSIWYG strategy of the dialogue tree. I swear, I continually said things that I totally did NOT want to say, only because I couldn't surmise what the dialogue option really meant. So I just "winged" it.....

So yes, in general, I want to be more in control over who I am nice to (this goes for anybody, not just Cortez). If you have a paragon quicktime that I don't agree with, you are forcably removing points that I otherwise would have had.... Sometimes giving me renegade points instead. While I like the idea behind this "quicktime" strategy. I believe that it really hurts the player, if there is no forewarning of it coming. Realism is nice to a point. But I believe they could have chosen better places for these 'quicktime' events.

Modifié par darthclide, 07 avril 2012 - 06:24 .

[NoUserNameHere]

I felt a definite, "have we mentioned we're the gay options?" vibe. #notthatthereisanythingwrongwiththat.

Veronica and Arcade Gannon were written much better in these regards. You pretty much had to go in snooping as to how they rolled, otherwise you were none the wiser.

Modifié par NoUserNameHere, 07 avril 2012 - 06:29 .

[Fruit of the Doom]

No.

The game simply doesn't cater to your intolerance and bigotry.

[Fruit of the Doom]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I felt a definite, "have we mentioned we're the gay options?" vibe. #notthatthereisanythingwrongwiththat.

Veronica and Arcade Gannon were written much better in these regards. You pretty much had to go in snooping as to how they rolled, otherwise you were none the wiser.

Yes, all gay people should do our utmost to stay quiet so we don't harm your fragile sensibilities.

We need to make sure to never mention our orientation or display it in any sense, even to mourn the death of our loved ones.

[Tietj]

@Darthclide: There are plenty of paragon points in the game, you can fill up your entire bar without being nice to Cortez. But really I suspect that you know that and are just trying to justify saying that you are "forced" to be nice to the gay guy, heaven forbid. In reality there are several people in the game you're forced to be nice to; you can't tell Chakwas, for example, to shut up and knock off her classy old lady schtick. You just don't like gay people; you already stated it in a previous post so why even pretend that you're mad at something else?

[Fruit of the Doom]

Tietj wrote...

@Darthclide: There are plenty of paragon points in the game, you can fill up your entire bar without being nice to Cortez. But really I suspect that you know that and are just trying to justify saying that you are "forced" to be nice to the gay guy, heaven forbid. In reality there are several people in the game you're forced to be nice to; you can't tell Chakwas, for example, to shut up and knock off her classy old lady schtick. You just don't like gay people; you already stated it in a previous post so why even pretend that you're mad at something else?

He is a closeted homophobe. 

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 07 avril 2012 - 06:39 .

[Tietj]

Not even closeted; he stated outright in an earlier post that he thought all gay people were immoral by definition.

[Isichar]

Personally i would have made EVERYONE possible romances gay/lesbian/straight/alien unless it conflicted with their character (EDI for example) Im glad bioware is willing to more open minded though in terms of this then most company's would. Letting the player choose the romance they want really adds flavor to the game.
I agree alot of the sexuality was kind of forced as it felt like i had to beat off possible LI's with a bat at times.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Tietj wrote...

Not even closeted; he stated outright in an earlier post that he thought all gay people were immoral by definition.

He's just under stress from all the homophilic persercution, and let's it leak out every now and then.

Poor guy.

[Mesmurae]

Well if there is one thing I hate, it is forced homosexuality.

[AnuzaGray]

 Cortez bit caught me off guard but was ultimately well done and moving.

[Fruit of the Doom]

Isichar wrote...
I agree alot of the sexuality was kind of forced as it felt like i had to beat off possible LI's with a bat at times.

Seriously, I felt like every off-mission conversation with Liara was going to lead me into a romance with her.

Then again, without Grunt on board, Shepard is the sexiest thing around.

[PlumPaul93]

Paragon Shepard sounded pretty gay when he talked to Cortez, but it was nice that he sounded gay, but didn't start a gay romance. So I didn't mind that stuff.

[Hudathan]

People like ****ing, it's perfectly normal. Videogames lean more towards violence than anything else. I've literally lost count as to the number of head gibs I've seen across the last two games but I saw a naked chick precisely once, and that's only because Liara's a freak.

[Elidor109]

Def felt Cortez was forced. Wouldn't have been as bad if he was just like, "Ya, lost my husband to etc." But instead its, "AGHHHGHGHHGH I CANT GET OVER HIM" *TEAR*

Is he the only teammate that cries in ME3?

[Tietj]

I never got the feeling that anyone was hitting on me (except, I will admit, Kaidan, but that's easily fixed if you don't buy him whiskey). Even notoriously ninjamancy Liara you actually have to hit on to start her romance.

[TeaCokeProphet]

Mesmurae wrote...

Well if there is one thing I hate, it is forced homosexuality.

What? Of all the terrible things in the world you could have chosen in your arbitrary scenario, you chose people being forced to be homosexual? Not its cousin, rape? Or genocide? Murder? Your post was a mistake.

EDIT: You probably said a joke. I was the mistake all along. Twist!

Modifié par TeaCokeProphet, 07 avril 2012 - 06:51 .

[Mesmurae]

TeaCokeProphet wrote...

Mesmurae wrote...

Well if there is one thing I hate, it is forced homosexuality.

What? Of all the terrible things in the world you could have chosen in your arbitrary scenario, you chose people being forced to be homosexual? Not its cousin, rape? Or genocide? Murder? Your post was a mistake.

I spent a while trying to find a way to explain that my previous post was meant to be a joke. I couldn't come up with anything. So here you go.

[Tietj]

In Mesmurae's defense, I don't think he was entirely serious