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The ending and lack of closure


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OrlesianWardenCommander

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I have recently beat Mass Effect 3 and found myself with a foul taste in my mouth. The whole game was a blast, i had fun meeting old friends losing others. It really felt like the galaxy was at war. But as a writer of small short stories i felt like the endings were terriblely executed. When you are "ending" a triology you are to provide endings that will leave no questions, leaving readers or viewers content, happy, or "Poeticly sad." Mass effect did not have this kind of ending. But further more did provide no resolution to our deeds. We had no way in judging the scale our final decision had, we had no closure with any of our crew, galactic fleet, and most of all Our love interests.

The endings were all centered around shepard and what happened to him, and in a narrow classic style of game that has little character development these endings would of been acceptable. This was the biggest problem with the endings, now i get it. We all knew that we would not have a walt disney ending to shepards final goal, but to have no options to die with your LI, no codexs, or further cutscenes explaining what happened in the aftermath. This is just unprofessional and writers should of known the fans would reject this style of endings they decided to choose.

Now it is their story we are playing, but the fans buy the game, we expect certant things to satifiy ourselves. A 3 way depressing ending, that no matter what you choose cripples the galaxy or just conforms with the reapers is just bad writing. None of us were expecting to have so many unanswered questions after we invested so much time, and more importantly emotional investment in the game. As a writer i would never do this to my fans. It just isn't right. I defiantly think this is how it is to grab more money in a DLC, but Bioware should of respected us more, if they just would of had more acceptable endings this game would of been a blast and a real thrill ride. Most of us will now buy the DLC they will make to fix this if it ever comes. I will most likely buy it, because i want to see real story book endings that have more closure to the Mass Effect Universe. As fans we didn't ask for much in an ending, we just wanted to close the book feeling happy with our choices and sacrafices we made. The Bioware team might of written this, but they are not even as near involved in the emotional experience they create, in the end its a job to them. They should of known better then to put such poorly implimented endings, with no closure to back them up.

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OrlesianWardenCommander

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bump

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No one cares, thanks for all the patronage.

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OrlesianWardenCommander

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That should of been the slogan for the ending.

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they probably did it to ****** off the really anal people. jk. i didnt witness the ending yet, and i dont care. the journey is a blast, as you mentioned, so i'll enjoy replaying the game many times over.

maybe they left the ending open-ended for future DLC's or even an MMO =)

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Bioware should have known the reaction was going to be like this after the leak in November.

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I agree with you, pretty much.

I don't mind the Shepard part that much, I'm okay with him/her needing to die all things considered (I know they can live in one circumstance), but lack of an epilogue (I don't count that "The Shepard" thing as one) really kills it for me. So much is just left hanging

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sonogi I said the same thing playing through... when I beat it I just wanted to uninstall, there's no point.

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We can hope Sonogi, the endings weren't bad per say. But poorly executed. As i mentioned it was like it was all about shepard. We had no closure with any other characters. I just hope they have something SOON to rectify this. Maybe a follow up or even better endings just something.

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ah so they pulled the Neo thing didnt they. lawl

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It makes the Matrix ending look good IMO.

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Militarized wrote...

It makes the Matrix ending look good IMO.


Hell i would of taken a matrix ending, with Liara dying in my arms before i go finish the job. Than what we got. THE SHAFT

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Militarized wrote...

It makes the Matrix ending look good IMO.

lol I already said that today. Nice to see I'm not the only one who made the comparison.

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TudorWolf wrote...

I agree with you, pretty much.

I don't mind the Shepard part that much, I'm okay with him/her needing to die all things considered (I know they can live in one circumstance), but lack of an epilogue (I don't count that "The Shepard" thing as one) really kills it for me. So much is just left hanging


When I heard ''The shepard'' in the ending

I immediatly tough about Vortigaunts.

Modifié par hurrycanne699, 08 mars 2012 - 08:27 .


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Well not just we expect...You spent three games saying your choices matter...then we get trolled at the end. Like oh you really thought your choices meant anything in the end?

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Rhayth wrote...

Well not just we expect...You spent three games saying your choices matter...then we get trolled at the end. Like oh you really thought your choices meant anything in the end?


Agreed

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The lack of closure comes from the fact that this isn't the end to the Mass Effect Universe. This is the end of Shepard's story. They've stated this via media numerous times.

I will say though, the ending needed some form of Epilogue (and I don't mean the Stargazer conversation).

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Sanctioned Psyker wrote...

The lack of closure comes from the fact that this isn't the end to the Mass Effect Universe. This is the end of Shepard's story. They've stated this via media numerous times.

I will say though, the ending needed some form of Epilogue (and I don't mean the Stargazer conversation).


The problem is the Mass Effect universe (or at least galactic civilization as defined in Mass Effect) DEPENDS on the mass relays and that is made consistantly clear from almost the beginning.  So this is in effect the end of the Mass Effect universe.

-Polaris

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Sanctioned Psyker wrote...

The lack of closure comes from the fact that this isn't the end to the Mass Effect Universe. This is the end of Shepard's story. They've stated this via media numerous times.

I will say though, the ending needed some form of Epilogue (and I don't mean the Stargazer conversation).


I know this isnt the end to ME universe. But what we all really wanted, is closure for the characters we fought and died with. but instead we got no such thing and they all ended up on an episode of Lost. Stranded in a jungle planet...

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i dont know, it sounds kinda trippy. you cant end an epic series with a predictable black and white ending. i'll know how i feel by the end of this weekend.

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Sanctioned Psyker wrote...

The lack of closure comes from the fact that this isn't the end to the Mass Effect Universe. This is the end of Shepard's story. They've stated this via media numerous times.

I will say though, the ending needed some form of Epilogue (and I don't mean the Stargazer conversation).

Bull they could have brought closure even with a dead Shep...they didn't do that it was total cliffhanger...Normandy on remote unknown planet X, Shepard pulling through rubble only adds.

If next DLC is Mass Effect: The Search for Joker; I riot.  I don't wanna go into a new ME series and wasting time with them having to explain what happened back when.  I wanna know now what happened.

And peoples "they can rebuild" theory...the grandpa and kid scene efficiently tells you that A LONG time has passed and "The Shepard" is now not a man he is Jesus "not sure if he really did but stories have been passed down."  It's not Commander Shepard's story in the future its the story of The Shepard who saved civilization.  When can I reach the stars?  Someday...why destroy just to have to rebuild the universe from a story standpoint instead of leaving it standing.

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Rhayth wrote...

Sanctioned Psyker wrote...

The lack of closure comes from the fact that this isn't the end to the Mass Effect Universe. This is the end of Shepard's story. They've stated this via media numerous times.

I will say though, the ending needed some form of Epilogue (and I don't mean the Stargazer conversation).

Bull they could have brought closure even with a dead Shep...they didn't do that it was total cliffhanger...Normandy on remote unknown planet X, Shepard pulling through rubble only adds.

If next DLC is Mass Effect: The Search for Joker; I riot.  I don't wanna go into a new ME series and wasting time with them having to explain what happened back when.  I wanna know now what happened.

And peoples "they can rebuild" theory...the grandpa and kid scene efficiently tells you that A LONG time has passed and "The Shepard" is now not a man he is Jesus "not sure if he really did but stories have been passed down."  It's not Commander Shepard's story in the future its the story of The Shepard who saved civilization.  When can I reach the stars?  Someday...why destroy just to have to rebuild the universe from a story standpoint instead of leaving it standing.


You and I are on the exact same page. A cliffhanger for the final game of the series is inexusable. The old man part just added salt to the wound if you didn't have enough questions that quick scene provided more. Bioware must fix this.

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Yea' we really are...like i'm happy for anyone who is satisfied with this. I am not...like I said before look under my avatar...this isn't my first rodeo. (Same as you OWC)

What happen to all the promoting of Dark Energy? You had so many files about it, Gina went off to investigate it, and Tali was investigating it. Like that just got retconned so hard.

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Lack of closure for the endings is already being discussed in this thread. Please take your discussion there. Thank you.

End of line.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 08 mars 2012 - 08:53 .