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[squid25]

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Krazy Man 61 wrote...

No there is no happy ending the choices you made, hours you put into the game have no effect on the ending. There is always the three choices you face no matter what and they are become the reapers, synthesis, and destroy all synthetics.

Actually it's even worse than that.  There is really only one choice except for the colors of the relays when they go up in smoke.  Other than that, nothing you do matters.

-Polaris

The relays and citadel are preserved in Control, buddy.

Actually the citadel survives but the relays are destroyed

[CommanderSmacker]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

If I wasn't so emotionally attached to the characters, and hadn't been hoping since Mass Effect 1 for my Shepard's perfect ending with Liara, I would have loved the synthesis ending. It was beautifully done. But it was such a bad move by BioWare since much of their core audience loves them for their characters.

Yeah why have that emotional moment in LotSB between Liara and Shepard about marriage and babies and then not even get that kind of closure??

[Zehks Reiner]

Actually, with the after credits ending talking about exploring the stars and finding races, Im pretty sure everyone is stranded from each other now.

[Vikali]

IanPolaris wrote...
Nope.  You are the ones making assumptions starting with the assumption that FTL of any sort still works (and there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least for the destroy ending it does not).  Even if it did, without the Mass Relays there IS NO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE and it's done in such a way to make all the hours about worrying about self determination and choice be absolutely pointless.  This is a cardinal sin for a franchise that 's supposed to be about choice.  You can not excuse this horrible ending (singular).

-Polaris

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I am either. But I don't think thatthe relays being destroyed was a bad thing. Along with the death of my crew, a part of me was hping something would be done to address the stagnant galactic society. I don't think the decisions were pointless at all, and that attributes to the term opinion. No matter how strongly you feel about something, it'll always be your opinion. You have yours, I have mine, and they don't have to agree.

I for one can think of countless things they can do with this ending in the future. And as I said before, Destroy is not meant to be the 'good' ending, so FTL being destroyed in it doesn't rally matter to my point. And people have been complaining about lack of choice since the first ME. I stopped listening to that nonsense five years ago.

[squid25]

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
Nope.  You are the ones making assumptions starting with the assumption that FTL of any sort still works (and there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least for the destroy ending it does not).  Even if it did, without the Mass Relays there IS NO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE and it's done in such a way to make all the hours about worrying about self determination and choice be absolutely pointless.  This is a cardinal sin for a franchise that 's supposed to be about choice.  You can not excuse this horrible ending (singular).

-Polaris

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I am either. But I don't think thatthe relays being destroyed was a bad thing. Along with the death of my crew, a part of me was hping something would be done to address the stagnant galactic society. I don't think the decisions were pointless at all, and that attributes to the term opinion. No matter how strongly you feel about something, it'll always be your opinion. You have yours, I have mine, and they don't have to agree.

I for one can think of countless things they can do with this ending in the future. And as I said before, Destroy is not meant to be the 'good' ending, so FTL being destroyed in it doesn't rally matter to my point. And people have been complaining about lack of choice since the first ME. I stopped listening to that nonsense five years ago.

Well if you chose the "control" option then the citadel is still there and its basicly a massive relay. So learning how to rebuild the relays is possible. But it would take a long time. If someone chooses the "merge" option then the reapers don't really leave. They just leave earth, and since they are the one's who built the relays then im sure they could do so again

[IanPolaris]

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
Nope.  You are the ones making assumptions starting with the assumption that FTL of any sort still works (and there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least for the destroy ending it does not).  Even if it did, without the Mass Relays there IS NO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE and it's done in such a way to make all the hours about worrying about self determination and choice be absolutely pointless.  This is a cardinal sin for a franchise that 's supposed to be about choice.  You can not excuse this horrible ending (singular).

-Polaris

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I am either. But I don't think thatthe relays being destroyed was a bad thing. Along with the death of my crew, a part of me was hping something would be done to address the stagnant galactic society. I don't think the decisions were pointless at all, and that attributes to the term opinion. No matter how strongly you feel about something, it'll always be your opinion. You have yours, I have mine, and they don't have to agree.

I for one can think of countless things they can do with this ending in the future. And as I said before, Destroy is not meant to be the 'good' ending, so FTL being destroyed in it doesn't rally matter to my point. And people have been complaining about lack of choice since the first ME. I stopped listening to that nonsense five years ago.

Actually Destroy is the ultimate paragon ending so it is the "good" ending....and all paragon choices lead to the logic that Destroy is the best option (at least when compared with Control).

-Polaris

[Vikali]

IanPolaris wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
Nope.  You are the ones making assumptions starting with the assumption that FTL of any sort still works (and there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least for the destroy ending it does not).  Even if it did, without the Mass Relays there IS NO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE and it's done in such a way to make all the hours about worrying about self determination and choice be absolutely pointless.  This is a cardinal sin for a franchise that 's supposed to be about choice.  You can not excuse this horrible ending (singular).

-Polaris

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I am either. But I don't think thatthe relays being destroyed was a bad thing. Along with the death of my crew, a part of me was hping something would be done to address the stagnant galactic society. I don't think the decisions were pointless at all, and that attributes to the term opinion. No matter how strongly you feel about something, it'll always be your opinion. You have yours, I have mine, and they don't have to agree.

I for one can think of countless things they can do with this ending in the future. And as I said before, Destroy is not meant to be the 'good' ending, so FTL being destroyed in it doesn't rally matter to my point. And people have been complaining about lack of choice since the first ME. I stopped listening to that nonsense five years ago.

Actually Destroy is the ultimate paragon ending so it is the "good" ending....and all paragon choices lead to the logic that Destroy is the best option (at least when compared with Control).

-Polaris

I'm just going by the guide. :3

[IanPolaris]

squid25 wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
Nope.  You are the ones making assumptions starting with the assumption that FTL of any sort still works (and there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least for the destroy ending it does not).  Even if it did, without the Mass Relays there IS NO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE and it's done in such a way to make all the hours about worrying about self determination and choice be absolutely pointless.  This is a cardinal sin for a franchise that 's supposed to be about choice.  You can not excuse this horrible ending (singular).

-Polaris

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I am either. But I don't think thatthe relays being destroyed was a bad thing. Along with the death of my crew, a part of me was hping something would be done to address the stagnant galactic society. I don't think the decisions were pointless at all, and that attributes to the term opinion. No matter how strongly you feel about something, it'll always be your opinion. You have yours, I have mine, and they don't have to agree.

I for one can think of countless things they can do with this ending in the future. And as I said before, Destroy is not meant to be the 'good' ending, so FTL being destroyed in it doesn't rally matter to my point. And people have been complaining about lack of choice since the first ME. I stopped listening to that nonsense five years ago.

Well if you chose the "control" option then the citadel is still there and its basicly a massive relay. So learning how to rebuild the relays is possible. But it would take a long time. If someone chooses the "merge" option then the reapers don't really leave. They just leave earth, and since they are the one's who built the relays then im sure they could do so again

Not true.  Yes, it does turn out (and I just verified it with my own saves) that the Citadel survives but so do the Reapers and the Citadel remains under Reaper control.  The Citadel is off limits in all three endings. It's a difference that makes no difference.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
Nope.  You are the ones making assumptions starting with the assumption that FTL of any sort still works (and there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least for the destroy ending it does not).  Even if it did, without the Mass Relays there IS NO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE and it's done in such a way to make all the hours about worrying about self determination and choice be absolutely pointless.  This is a cardinal sin for a franchise that 's supposed to be about choice.  You can not excuse this horrible ending (singular).

-Polaris

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I am either. But I don't think thatthe relays being destroyed was a bad thing. Along with the death of my crew, a part of me was hping something would be done to address the stagnant galactic society. I don't think the decisions were pointless at all, and that attributes to the term opinion. No matter how strongly you feel about something, it'll always be your opinion. You have yours, I have mine, and they don't have to agree.

I for one can think of countless things they can do with this ending in the future. And as I said before, Destroy is not meant to be the 'good' ending, so FTL being destroyed in it doesn't rally matter to my point. And people have been complaining about lack of choice since the first ME. I stopped listening to that nonsense five years ago.

Actually Destroy is the ultimate paragon ending so it is the "good" ending....and all paragon choices lead to the logic that Destroy is the best option (at least when compared with Control).

-Polaris

I'm just going by the guide. :3

So am I, and the best endings (most difficult and allow Shep to live) only happen with paragon choices (getting Udina to kill himself) and with an essentially unreachable EMS (at least in SP). 

-Polaris

[Vikali]

IanPolaris wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
Nope.  You are the ones making assumptions starting with the assumption that FTL of any sort still works (and there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least for the destroy ending it does not).  Even if it did, without the Mass Relays there IS NO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE and it's done in such a way to make all the hours about worrying about self determination and choice be absolutely pointless.  This is a cardinal sin for a franchise that 's supposed to be about choice.  You can not excuse this horrible ending (singular).

-Polaris

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I am either. But I don't think thatthe relays being destroyed was a bad thing. Along with the death of my crew, a part of me was hping something would be done to address the stagnant galactic society. I don't think the decisions were pointless at all, and that attributes to the term opinion. No matter how strongly you feel about something, it'll always be your opinion. You have yours, I have mine, and they don't have to agree.

I for one can think of countless things they can do with this ending in the future. And as I said before, Destroy is not meant to be the 'good' ending, so FTL being destroyed in it doesn't rally matter to my point. And people have been complaining about lack of choice since the first ME. I stopped listening to that nonsense five years ago.

Actually Destroy is the ultimate paragon ending so it is the "good" ending....and all paragon choices lead to the logic that Destroy is the best option (at least when compared with Control).

-Polaris

I'm just going by the guide. :3

So am I, and the best endings (most difficult and allow Shep to live) only happen with paragon choices (getting Udina to kill himself) and with an essentially unreachable EMS (at least in SP). 

-Polaris

"... able to create synergy between organcs and synthetics, saving earth and the galaxy." Only ending to say that. Destroy just determines if you can keep Shepard breathing.

[aim1essgun]

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

future_usmc wrote...

relays look to be destroyed but the citadel lives

They wouldn't have cut the explosions if they intended that effect. It's not identical.

I played all three ending just this morning and the relays are DEFINATELY destroyed in all three.  In fact the footage is identical save only for the colors.  I am sorry but you are wrong.

-Polaris

Then you flubbed your save. They overload in Control. They 'lose pieces', but they aren't destroyed. Nothing the controlled reapers cannot fix.

:3

Look, as much as I want to agree with you, the relays are depicted as destroyed in "control". 

But, why would sending a command signal destroy the relays? It wouldn't. Thus, I view the exploding relays in "control" as an error and not canon. 

Modifié par aim1essgun, 08 mars 2012 - 10:50 .

[squid25]

IanPolaris wrote...

squid25 wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
Nope.  You are the ones making assumptions starting with the assumption that FTL of any sort still works (and there is strong circumstantial evidence that at least for the destroy ending it does not).  Even if it did, without the Mass Relays there IS NO MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE and it's done in such a way to make all the hours about worrying about self determination and choice be absolutely pointless.  This is a cardinal sin for a franchise that 's supposed to be about choice.  You can not excuse this horrible ending (singular).

-Polaris

I'm not saying you're wrong, and I'm not saying I am either. But I don't think thatthe relays being destroyed was a bad thing. Along with the death of my crew, a part of me was hping something would be done to address the stagnant galactic society. I don't think the decisions were pointless at all, and that attributes to the term opinion. No matter how strongly you feel about something, it'll always be your opinion. You have yours, I have mine, and they don't have to agree.

I for one can think of countless things they can do with this ending in the future. And as I said before, Destroy is not meant to be the 'good' ending, so FTL being destroyed in it doesn't rally matter to my point. And people have been complaining about lack of choice since the first ME. I stopped listening to that nonsense five years ago.

Well if you chose the "control" option then the citadel is still there and its basicly a massive relay. So learning how to rebuild the relays is possible. But it would take a long time. If someone chooses the "merge" option then the reapers don't really leave. They just leave earth, and since they are the one's who built the relays then im sure they could do so again

Not true.  Yes, it does turn out (and I just verified it with my own saves) that the Citadel survives but so do the Reapers and the Citadel remains under Reaper control.  The Citadel is off limits in all three endings. It's a difference that makes no difference.

-Polaris

Thats assuming the citadel is still under reaper control. All you see is them leaving. An this is what makes me mad about the ending. You just made the biggest choice in all the ME games and you get no consequences

[raeting]

aim1essgun wrote...

But, why would sending a command signal destroy the relays? It wouldn't. Thus, I view the exploding relays in "control" as an error and not canon. 

Another way to look at it: the reapers are leaving and are taking their toys with them. If you break the cycle, you need to break the framework that enables it. Thus, kiss the citadel and relays goodbye. The citadel hangs around in control because it is what's controlling the reapers -- or at least contains the the thing that controls them.

In all cases, the reapers go, and the galaxy is left to fend for itself.

[raeting]

squid25 wrote...

Thats assuming the citadel is still under reaper control. All you see is them leaving. An this is what makes me mad about the ending. You just made the biggest choice in all the ME games and you get no consequences

The citadel contains the systems that control the reapers, which is why it needs to remain intact in control. 

Presumably, in synthesis, the reapers are given free will under the premise that they will not harm their newly partially-synthetic bretheren.

[bpzrn]

Krazy Man 61 wrote...

No there is no happy ending the choices you made, hours you put into the game have no effect on the ending. There is always the three choices you face no matter what and they are become the reapers, synthesis, and destroy all synthetics.

It S$%%^s and I hate all 3 endings

[chris fenton]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Is there any ending where Shepard is with Liara? If someone could answer definitively, I would appreciate it very much.

No. You never get to see any of your LI's ever again.

[Golferguy758]

chris fenton wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Is there any ending where Shepard is with Liara? If someone could answer definitively, I would appreciate it very much.

No. You never get to see any of your LI's  Team ever again.

Fixed that for you

[Eterna]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I beat the game, and I haven't stopped crying since. 

I love the ending, it and the game were artistic masterpieces.

But I have been waiting since Mass Effect 1 for a happy ending. My Shepard would raise a family with Liara and everything would be peaceful.

Thanks for taking my emotions and dreams and stomping on them BioWare. 

Sincerely, 
Guy who will never be emotionally okay ever again

So do you like the ending or not? I'm confused. Shepards end is unhappy, but in the larger picture sentient life endures so it is kind of happy. 

[chris fenton]

Golferguy758 wrote...

chris fenton wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Is there any ending where Shepard is with Liara? If someone could answer definitively, I would appreciate it very much.

No. You never get to see any of your LI's  Team ever again.

Fixed that for you

Thanks... Missing you Tali. 

[DOYOURLABS]

Eterna5 wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I beat the game, and I haven't stopped crying since. 

I love the ending, it and the game were artistic masterpieces.

But I have been waiting since Mass Effect 1 for a happy ending. My Shepard would raise a family with Liara and everything would be peaceful.

Thanks for taking my emotions and dreams and stomping on them BioWare. 

Sincerely, 
Guy who will never be emotionally okay ever again

So do you like the ending or not? I'm confused. Shepards end is unhappy, but in the larger picture sentient life endures so it is kind of happy. 

If I wasn't so attached to the characters and hadn't invested in my Shepard's story for 5 years, I would love the ending. 

[Jonathan Shepard]

KitePolaris wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

I dont understand this perspective where the relays not surviving is a bad thing. It's positive for the future of galactic society. gO speak to Atheyta again.

Hello.  DARK AGES anyone?  No Mass Relays means the galaxy goes back to localism and tribalism and chronic shortages due to lack of trade.  Essentially you condemn the galaxy to thousands of years of barbarism unless and until the Mass Relays can be replaced....if that's even possible.

-Polaris

FTL still exists and so it will go into a dark period. But it's hardly forever. It opens doors for soiety to get it's own bearing on its own and be independent. Ane expecially with Merge? It becomes even brighter a future that lays ahead. The relays may have exploded, but their remains are still there. That's plenty of **** to scavenge, to learn about, to try and recreate. It's not outside the realm of understanding or the Protheans would not have come so close to replicate it.

The problem is that the game never states this. It's not even implied! For people who didn't play the last two, that's not even going to register in their minds. To be frank, I didn't even think of it that way. Removes quite a bit of the bleakness though, thank you. 

[DOYOURLABS]

I will reload my save, play the multiplayer, and sacrifice the geth/EDI if there is confirmation Shepard can get to his crew afterwards. Hell I told myself before I played that if there was a choice between Earth and Liara, I'd choose Liara.

[Cuddlezarro]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I will reload my save, play the multiplayer, and sacrifice the geth/EDI if there is confirmation Shepard can get to his crew afterwards. Hell I told myself before I played that if there was a choice between Earth and Liara, I'd choose Liara.

theres no confirmation the ending with shepard alive pretty much just shows his body gasping for air in some rubble

the relays and crap still blow up but if the normandy and earths communications still work(since IIRC they dont use the mass relays) and they are close enough to earths cluster that they can FTL over there on another ship its possible though very very very slim...

ugh I doubt it though

[DOYOURLABS]

BioWare either needs to put us out of our misery and confirm that no matter what Shepard is separated from the crew, or give us hope. I just need a definitive answer.

[Fishy]

There's 3 good ending in the game. You pick one ..