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[Chaoswind]

Well I also reached that conclusion.

Asari only have children during their Matron stage, and there are ways to accelerate the change from Maiden to Matron.

Miranda: can't have kids.
Jack: can't have kids
Ashley: May have kids
Tali: can't have them with Shep.
Liara: should be too young, but there are ways to reach matron earlier.

If this gift is in the form of a little blue girl then is fair, because Liara has been in love with Shepard since day 1, and everyone can have little blue girls with her even if they don't know about it.

Liara is that one obsessed friend that wants to have your children and would trick you into "sex" with a puntured condom just to have your kid, there is a character like that in a manga called D-ASH and that manga is awesome.

[dreman9999]

GlassElephant wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
*snip*
How did you cheat....You had no sex. Breeding and sex are two diffent things. It would be like say some cheats on their wife if they donate there sperm.

Breeding with someone hints at intimacy, even if asari reproduction doesn't require sex.  If she wanted Shepard's DNA, she could have asked first.  Really, making a baby with someone ON PURPOSE without telling them is kind of creepy especially if your Shepard isn't in a romance with her.

No it does not.  A gay man can have a child with his female friend via insimanation....It does not mean they are sexually together. Breeding and sex are to diffent things being one is for enjoyment and the other is for making new beings. They can happen both at one, being that sex can lead to breeding but it not onein the same. A ****** is sex but can't lead to breeding or impragnation, as well as other forms of no vaginal sex.
In Liara's cause, Sex and breeding is vastly different then what we have...In this reguad she is truely alian. She can have all the sex she wants, as well as any Asari, with out getting pregnant. She chooses when she get pregnat...And based on what asari say about how they breed, it can be done out side sex.

[soulprovider]

I jsut thought it was liara finishing off shepards psychie since I'm beginning to think that shepard wasn't the one indoctrinated but that liara was and she was showing him what he wanted to see while handing him over to harbringer.


thats my head canon and i'm sticking to it.

Modifié par soulprovider, 15 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[Helishorn]

Kuriiiiiii wrote...

 Before you set about the final assault on London liara gives you a present.

Any idea if she is now pregnant?

If i had anything to do with it then Yes...Yes she is:O

[dreman9999]

Chaoswind wrote...

Well I also reached that conclusion.

Asari only have children during their Matron stage, and there are ways to accelerate the change from Maiden to Matron.

Miranda: can't have kids.
Jack: can't have kids
Ashley: May have kids
Tali: can't have them with Shep.
Liara: should be too young, but there are ways to reach matron earlier.

If this gift is in the form of a little blue girl then is fair, because Liara has been in love with Shepard since day 1, and everyone can have little blue girls with her even if they don't know about it.

Liara is that one obsessed friend that wants to have your children and would trick you into "sex" with a puntured condom just to have your kid, there is a character like that in a manga called D-ASH and that manga is awesome.

Wait.....where is it stated that Jake can't have kids?
Also, asari stages are state of mind not physial sexual development.

Modifié par dreman9999, 15 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[Galifreya]

I think she is. Liara knows it's possible she may never see Shepard again. That may be why Shepard had such an, "Oh...." look on his/her face after this event takes place.

[TheDonk95]

Wow I never thaught about that!
I really hope that is true. I love Liara so much.
But the kids will have no daddy because Shepard is dead

[dreman9999]

PDesign wrote...

Lmao, not this **** again.

People need to pay attetion and use deductive reasoning

People please watch this....http://www.youtube.c...DUs_aNtI#t=260s

http://masseffect.wi.../Asari#Biology 

"An asari's melding ability extends to a mental connection as well, which Liara describes as being the true union between an asari and her partner. It allows the asari to explore her partner's genetic heritage and pass desirable traits on to any offspring. During mating an asari and her partner share memories, thoughts, and feeling "

......
Asari pass through three climacteric life stages, marked by biochemical and physiological changes:The Maiden[/b] stage begins at puberty and is marked by the drive to explore and experience. Most young asari are curious and restless.[/list]The Matron[/b] stage of life begins around the age of 350, though it can be triggered earlier if the individual melds frequently. This period is marked by a desire to settle in one area and raise children.[/list]The Matriarch[/b] stage begins around 700 years of age, or earlier if the individual melds rarely. Matriarchs become active in their community as sages and councilors, dispensing wisdom from centuries of experience. Their knowledge and guidance may be one reason why Matriarchs are rarely seen outside asari space.[/list]However, it should be noted that each stage can be started whenever an asari feels that she has reached the correct level of maturity. While each stage of life is marked by strong biological tendencies, individuals do make unexpected life choices. For example, there are Maidens who stay close to home rather than explore, Matrons who would rather work than build a family, and Matriarchs who have no interest in community affairs.
.....
.......Take note that Liara goes through all the stages throught the entire game.

[kalasaurus]

dreman9999 wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
*snip*
How did you cheat....You had no sex. Breeding and sex are two diffent things. It would be like say some cheats on their wife if they donate there sperm.

Breeding with someone hints at intimacy, even if asari reproduction doesn't require sex.  If she wanted Shepard's DNA, she could have asked first.  Really, making a baby with someone ON PURPOSE without telling them is kind of creepy especially if your Shepard isn't in a romance with her.

No it does not.  A gay man can have a child with his female friend via insimanation....It does not mean they are sexually together. Breeding and sex are to diffent things being one is for enjoyment and the other is for making new beings. They can happen both at one, being that sex can lead to breeding but it not onein the same. A ****** is sex but can't lead to breeding or impragnation, as well as other forms of no vaginal sex.
In Liara's cause, Sex and breeding is vastly different then what we have...In this reguad she is truely alian. She can have all the sex she wants, as well as any Asari, with out getting pregnant. She chooses when she get pregnat...And based on what asari say about how they breed, it can be done out side sex.

It can hint at intimacy.  If two people want a baby together, like two gay men want to raise a child via insemination with a female friend... it's still intimate for the two gay men who want the baby together.  Yeah, they're not having sex with the surrogate mother, but it's still an act of intimacy between the two gay men to have a child together to raise.  I'm NOT suggesting that heterosexual sex = baby making is the only way to have intimately have a child.

If Liara gets knocked up by Shepard without his/her consent, it just comes off as creepy to me.  Maybe this kind of thing is acceptable in asari culture, but to me it seems wrong for her to do that to a Shepard she's not romantically involved with.  She could have at least asked if Shepard was OK with using her to pass down his/her DNA.

[Astrogenesis]

I see Bioware Plot here!

Mass Effect 4 to 6, You play as Liara's Daughter.
She would have all the traits of Shepard.
It would allow them to set ME4 anytime after the year 2200 all the way to the year 3000.
Anything could happen in 800 years.

And remember, Liara does it to both broshep and femshep.

*Hale for voice actor

Modifié par Astrogenesis, 15 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[dreman9999]

GlassElephant wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
*snip*
How did you cheat....You had no sex. Breeding and sex are two diffent things. It would be like say some cheats on their wife if they donate there sperm.

Breeding with someone hints at intimacy, even if asari reproduction doesn't require sex.  If she wanted Shepard's DNA, she could have asked first.  Really, making a baby with someone ON PURPOSE without telling them is kind of creepy especially if your Shepard isn't in a romance with her.

No it does not.  A gay man can have a child with his female friend via insimanation....It does not mean they are sexually together. Breeding and sex are to diffent things being one is for enjoyment and the other is for making new beings. They can happen both at one, being that sex can lead to breeding but it not onein the same. A ****** is sex but can't lead to breeding or impragnation, as well as other forms of no vaginal sex.
In Liara's cause, Sex and breeding is vastly different then what we have...In this reguad she is truely alian. She can have all the sex she wants, as well as any Asari, with out getting pregnant. She chooses when she get pregnat...And based on what asari say about how they breed, it can be done out side sex.

It can hint at intimacy.  If two people want a baby together, like two gay men want to raise a child via insemination with a female friend... it's still intimate for the two gay men who want the baby together.  Yeah, they're not having sex with the surrogate mother, but it's still an act of intimacy between the two gay men to have a child together to raise.  I'm NOT suggesting that heterosexual sex = baby making is the only way to have intimately have a child.

If Liara gets knocked up by Shepard without his/her consent, it just comes off as creepy to me.  Maybe this kind of thing is acceptable in asari culture, but to me it seems wrong for her to do that to a Shepard she's not romantically involved with.  She could have at least asked if Shepard was OK with using her to pass down his/her DNA.

Breeding can hint to intamancy but it still can also not hint to intamncy as well. It can go both ways. If I donate my sperm, does it mean I'm intamant with the woman who uses it to make a child?

Also, with your last point, It's still a referance of morality vs morality. This is a grey area which has no right or wrong to it.Reguardless to howyu look at it, there is no real wrong to this.

[dreman9999]

 One, lat thing....I really want people to look at this....http://www.youtube.c...DUs_aNtI#t=259s

She discribs this in ME1.....And then does it inME3...
 

[kalasaurus]

dreman9999 wrote...
*snip*
Breeding can hint to intamancy but it still can also not hint to intamncy as well. It can go both ways. If I donate my sperm, does it mean I'm intamant with the woman who uses it to make a child?

Also, with your last point, It's still a referance of morality vs morality. This is a grey area which has no right or wrong to it.Reguardless to howyu look at it, there is no real wrong to this.

I guess my main point comes down to permission and consent.  She could have at least asked.  I really don't see a grey area in this.  What if my Shepard doesn't want a baby with her?  My Shepard wanted to adopt babies with Garrus!

For your first point: if you're donating your sperm to a woman, she's taking the sperm voluntarily.  She's not being impregnated by secret.  She could either a) want to raise the child with someone else (intimacy) or want to raise the child alone (but still had the child voluntarily and wasn't forced into it)

Modifié par GlassElephant, 15 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Kuriiiiiii wrote...

 Before you set about the final assault on London liara gives you a present.

Any idea if she is now pregnant?

Given how Asari reproduction works, I wondered the same thing.  Truth is though, Casey and Mac are not competent enough to put that much thought into anything, so probably not.

[Astrogenesis]

dreman9999 wrote...

 One, lat thing....I really want people to look at this....http://www.youtube.c...DUs_aNtI#t=259s

She discribs this in ME1.....And then does it inME3...
 

Well Bioware pretty much Retconed all of ME1 with the apperence of the Starchild.

[chmarr]

ok if she gets in the club by that "presant" thing then i think my LI is going to kill me when she finds out, i never romanced liara i romanced tali in ME2 and ME3 never once romanced anyone else.

now if that presant thing is INDEED an impregnation thing then theres YET another plot hole.
also it makes her out to be a rapist

[dreman9999]

GlassElephant wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
*snip*
How did you cheat....You had no sex. Breeding and sex are two diffent things. It would be like say some cheats on their wife if they donate there sperm.

Breeding with someone hints at intimacy, even if asari reproduction doesn't require sex.  If she wanted Shepard's DNA, she could have asked first.  Really, making a baby with someone ON PURPOSE without telling them is kind of creepy especially if your Shepard isn't in a romance with her.

No it does not.  A gay man can have a child with his female friend via insimanation....It does not mean they are sexually together. Breeding and sex are to diffent things being one is for enjoyment and the other is for making new beings. They can happen both at one, being that sex can lead to breeding but it not onein the same. A ****** is sex but can't lead to breeding or impragnation, as well as other forms of no vaginal sex.
In Liara's cause, Sex and breeding is vastly different then what we have...In this reguad she is truely alian. She can have all the sex she wants, as well as any Asari, with out getting pregnant. She chooses when she get pregnat...And based on what asari say about how they breed, it can be done out side sex.

It can hint at intimacy.  If two people want a baby together, like two gay men want to raise a child via insemination with a female friend... it's still intimate for the two gay men who want the baby together.  Yeah, they're not having sex with the surrogate mother, but it's still an act of intimacy between the two gay men to have a child together to raise.  I'm NOT suggesting that heterosexual sex = baby making is the only way to have intimately have a child.

If Liara gets knocked up by Shepard without his/her consent, it just comes off as creepy to me.  Maybe this kind of thing is acceptable in asari culture, but to me it seems wrong for her to do that to a Shepard she's not romantically involved with.  She could have at least asked if Shepard was OK with using her to pass down his/her DNA.

Breeding can hint to intamancy but it still can also not hint to intamncy as well. It can go both ways. If I donate my sperm, does it mean I'm intamant with the woman who uses it to make a child?

Also, with your last point, It's still a referance of morality vs morality. This is a grey area which has no right or wrong to it.Reguardless to howyu look at it, there is no real wrong to this.

I guess my main point comes down to permission and consent.  She could have at least asked.  I really don't see a grey area in this.  What if my Shepard doesn't want a baby with her?  My Shepard wanted to adopt babies with Garrus!

For your first point: if you're donating your sperm to a woman, she's taking the sperm voluntarily.  She's not being impregnated by secret.

Your missing the point that Liara comes for an alien culture with diffenrt morals than humans. Reguardless to how much time she been with Humans, do you think she would understand that this level of consent is need if the issue was never discused...That's the grey area, Asari don't feel consent on this is an issue, Humans do.

[Eli Parker]

I bet Bioware will never say even in the "ending DLC", also I think it's true.

[dreman9999]

Astrogenesis wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

 One, lat thing....I really want people to look at this....http://www.youtube.c...DUs_aNtI#t=259s

She discribs this in ME1.....And then does it inME3...
 

Well Bioware pretty much Retconed all of ME1 with the apperence of the Starchild.

Nope, everything in ME1 still holds water. The starchild may not be real. Remeber, wehave no ending to ME3.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

chmarr wrote...

ok if she gets in the club by that "presant" thing then i think my LI is going to kill me when she finds out, i never romanced liara i romanced tali in ME2 and ME3 never once romanced anyone else.

now if that presant thing is INDEED an impregnation thing then theres YET another plot hole.
also it makes her out to be a rapist

Well, probably not if she's your LI.

[kalasaurus]

dreman9999 wrote...
*snip*
Your missing the point that Liara comes for an alien culture with diffenrt morals than humans. Reguardless to how much time she been with Humans, do you think she would understand that this level of consent is need if the issue was never discused...That's the grey area, Asari don't feel consent on this is an issue, Humans do.

Well, my Shepard never wanted this hypothetical child.  Asari mate with other species, I'm sure they're aware of how other species view the morality in breeding.  Humans are a new species and all that, but Liara seems very interested in Shepard and other Asari (like Samara) talk about how much they enjoy learning about human culture.  I highly doubt Liara wasn't aware that humans didn't like making babies with other people without their consent.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 15 avril 2012 - 05:24 .

[Wulfram]

dreman9999 wrote...
Your missing the point that Liara comes for an alien culture with diffenrt morals than humans. Reguardless to how much time she been with Humans, do you think she would understand that this level of consent is need if the issue was never discused...That's the grey area, Asari don't feel consent on this is an issue, Humans do.

Well, Liara's dialogue in ME1 make it clear that her culture considers melding a very important, personal act.  Hence why she hasn't done it in 100 years.

[dreman9999]

GlassElephant wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
*snip*
Your missing the point that Liara comes for an alien culture with diffenrt morals than humans. Reguardless to how much time she been with Humans, do you think she would understand that this level of consent is need if the issue was never discused...That's the grey area, Asari don't feel consent on this is an issue, Humans do.

Well, my Shepard never wanted this hypothetical child.  Asari mate with other species, I'm sure they're aware of how other species view the morality in breeding.  Humans are a new species and all that, but Liara seems very interested in Shepard and other Asari (like Samara) talk about how much they enjoy learning about human culture.  I highly doubt Liara wasn't aware that humans didn't like making babies with other people without their consent.

Nope, nothing in the series shows that asari understand the philosopys and idealise of breed in tohe species. We barly no it and understand what it is with other speices as well. We ourselve never discuse this issuse among ourselves in regular conversation. And arguement like this would happen in a court case or philosophy class. How who the asari, or Liara ever get the chance to know if we rarly talk about it? Heck, Liara barly has alot of cultral contact with humans outside of the normandy anyway. She would never have the chance to know.

[Raiil]

She better not be expecting child support, then.