!Does this mean he is the very first Reaper?
The oldest Reaper: Harbinger
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galaxy366
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 09:44
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Just when't in the Codex, and I was listining to the Harbinger part. They say he is the oldest and biggest? !
Does this mean he is the very first Reaper?
!Does this mean he is the very first Reaper?
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 09:45
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galaxy366 wrote...
Just when't in the Codex, and I was listining to the Harbinger part. They say he is the oldest and biggest?
Does this mean he is the very first Reaper?
And yet we don't get to learn ANYTHING about it in the game. Ok, my journey from a ME fan to a ME hater is now complete. Rofl. Not even George Lucas succeded with such a thing with the new SW movies.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 09:45
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Weeelll.... isn't this sort of up for debate? What with the Guardian's revelations and all?
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 09:47
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Yeah, the only part we will see Harbinger is somewhere in the end, when you run towards the conduit :|
I'm also wondering who this TIM is that some people tell about, is it the child?
What I noticed is that the child at the end sayed:
''We created the cycle'' who created the cycle? yes Reapers, but for some reason that sentence hides something bigger.
I'm also wondering who this TIM is that some people tell about, is it the child?
What I noticed is that the child at the end sayed:
''We created the cycle'' who created the cycle? yes Reapers, but for some reason that sentence hides something bigger.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 10:15
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galaxy366 wrote...
Yeah, the only part we will see Harbinger is somewhere in the end, when you run towards the conduit :|
I'm also wondering who this TIM is that some people tell about, is it the child?
What I noticed is that the child at the end sayed:
''We created the cycle'' who created the cycle? yes Reapers, but for some reason that sentence hides something bigger.
TIM = The Illusive Man
I'm almost certain that being only took child form to appeal and talk to Shepard, whatever it is, isn't naturally appearing as a child.
And I don't think the Repears created the cycle, they are the cycle created by this entity.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 10:18
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It's just a big, stupid AI program that for all it's size can't process more then 3 outcomes to a universe with infinite possibilities. In other words, someone screwed up millions of years ago with a bugged VI on the citadel to make coffee, he got mad and killed all organics forever and ever. That makes more sense then this garbage.
More on topic - No Harbinger banter was another real let down... you don't even see him.
More on topic - No Harbinger banter was another real let down... you don't even see him.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 10:21
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Militarized wrote...
It's just a big, stupid AI program that for all it's size can't process more then 3 outcomes to a universe with infinite possibilities. In other words, someone screwed up millions of years ago with a bugged VI on the citadel to make coffee, he got mad and killed all organics forever and ever. That makes more sense then this garbage.
This cracked me the hell up.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 10:21
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Militarized wrote...
More on topic - No Harbinger banter was another real let down... you don't even see him.
While I agree it was kind of lame you never get to speak to him, he shoots you at the end of the game before you make it to the conduit. Then he takes off thinking you all died.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 10:24
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All that hype and trash talking from Harbinger in ME2 and hes barely in ME3. Ummmm what?
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 10:37
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Olueq wrote...
All that hype and trash talking from Harbinger in ME2 and hes barely in ME3. Ummmm what?
I respect that he didn't waste his time talking when the chips are down. He just popped up and swatted your entire squad down like flies. If he'd been gloating while doing it, he'd have sounded petty.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 10:39
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Well we see Harbinger since he's the guy that takes out the Hammer forces at the end.
You can tell by the 4 legs, glowing orange eyes and massive beams.
You can tell by the 4 legs, glowing orange eyes and massive beams.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 06:16
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Actually about the Catalyst, it only had ONE solution.
*Continue the cycle.*
But the point was to wait and see, until one cycle FINALLY gets it right (thanks Shepard), then the solution becomes:
*Shepard, if you survive, become the new Catalyst and guide the control over the cycle.*
But Shepard is Shepard and we-killy-Reapers, so it adds in:
*New Catalyst*
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*Destroy all Reapers*
After exposure to Shepard and the Crucible (remember that this is only possible if you do things like keep the Collector base and/or have a high amount of war assets = contributing species adding to the Crucible), it realizes a new solution that is possible now, Synthesis! You can choose to agree with it, or revert to the original plan of KILLA-ALLA-REAPERA, or to sympathize with TIM's possible original intent (before his insanty & indoctrination) and control the Reapers.
So yes, there's choice, and it makes sense. It's just presented damn poorly, and offers very little closure for fans. I think this is partially intentful, as Bioware MAY actually want to convert ME3 final saves for a ME4, reflecting the results of the 3 overall endings (technically 7 endings, etc).
*Continue the cycle.*
But the point was to wait and see, until one cycle FINALLY gets it right (thanks Shepard), then the solution becomes:
*Shepard, if you survive, become the new Catalyst and guide the control over the cycle.*
But Shepard is Shepard and we-killy-Reapers, so it adds in:
*New Catalyst*
and
*Destroy all Reapers*
After exposure to Shepard and the Crucible (remember that this is only possible if you do things like keep the Collector base and/or have a high amount of war assets = contributing species adding to the Crucible), it realizes a new solution that is possible now, Synthesis! You can choose to agree with it, or revert to the original plan of KILLA-ALLA-REAPERA, or to sympathize with TIM's possible original intent (before his insanty & indoctrination) and control the Reapers.
So yes, there's choice, and it makes sense. It's just presented damn poorly, and offers very little closure for fans. I think this is partially intentful, as Bioware MAY actually want to convert ME3 final saves for a ME4, reflecting the results of the 3 overall endings (technically 7 endings, etc).
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:05
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Why make Harbinger different from all the other Reapers, only to ignore him completely until the end when he gets the obligatory cliche of "putting our valiant hero near death". He should have been the final boss IMO. Just seems so dumb to ignore him completely until the end.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:09
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Militarized wrote...
More on topic - No Harbinger banter was another real let down... you don't even see him.
you do see harby hes the one nuking you before you head into the beam
he just...doesnt talk...
Why make Harbinger different from all the other Reapers, only to ignore
him completely until the end when he gets the obligatory cliche of
"putting our valiant hero near death". He should have been the final
boss IMO. Just seems so dumb to ignore him completely until the end.
harby should have replaced the reaper destroyer
Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 09 mars 2012 - 08:10 .
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:16
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Kinda nitpicky, but I blew up the Collecter base, but still had 5k strenght and 100% effectiveness from an import game and it gave me all three choices, It seems liek all three are availeble provided you ahve enough war assets/on an imported save.SwobyJ wrote...
After exposure to Shepard and the Crucible (remember that this is only possible if you do things like keep the Collector base and/or have a high amount of war assets = contributing species adding to the Crucible), it realizes a new solution that is possible now, Synthesis! You can choose to agree with it, or revert to the original plan of KILLA-ALLA-REAPERA, or to sympathize with TIM's possible original intent (before his insanty & indoctrination) and control the Reapers.
So yes, there's choice, and it makes sense. It's just presented damn poorly, and offers very little closure for fans. I think this is partially intentful, as Bioware MAY actually want to convert ME3 final saves for a ME4, reflecting the results of the 3 overall endings (technically 7 endings, etc).
As for the ending itself, the way I saw it, the Catalyst saw that the cycle was ending, and Shep would be the oen to choose HOW it ends, Reapers blown up, reapers controlled, OR we have synthesis and reapers....decide to go have tea.
