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[Garrus-Vakarian]

Hello bioware folks I just had a question about this system.

I just recently got to know that it works way different than i thought.

I actually didnt understand what people mean by different but i accidently ran into some discussions that even confused me more.

I have beaten ME2 4 times, the frist time i had no idea what this game is all about so i made mistakes which caused me not beeing able to chose the charming option ( like in Miranda/jack ****fight)

But all the 3 other gamethrough worked perfektly i always chose the paragon options, the blue option if available, also investigated ( left option) which sometimes unlocked new dialogues that grant you even more paragon points.

Now im on another playthrough but this time i have an imported pure Paragon character with the 190 bonus.  If i keep going like i did with the other gamethroughs do you think ill get any problems?

as far as i understood the system works like this.

Lets say you have done 5 Missions where you could get like 500 Paragon points but for some reason you only got 400 points. So that means that AT THIS POINTS of the game you have a score of 80% paragon right?

If you would need 90 % paragon score  for the next dialogue charming option this option will be greyed out due to only having 80 % AT THAT POINT. Am i right right about that?

If you change your mind and start beeing renegade after that, the percentage of paragon points will  be reduced, because it would mean you have 400 Paragon out of max 1200 AT THAT POINT ( for exemple)  so your score remains 30 %.

So again if i get all the paragon points, my score will be high and i can unlock all charm options, unconsidering the fact that the paragon bar is barely even at half ... am i right about that? Or do you also hav to have a special amount of paragon point before unlocking an option?

thanks in advance

Modifié par Garrus-Vakarian, 08 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[Garrus-Vakarian]

No ideas?

[Lekwid]

From the wiki:
"The morality system of Mass Effect 2 works on percentages rather than the total points earned. There is a set number of morality points available in the game. Shepard's current "effective" morality score at any given point is the number of points earned out of the number of points available from the areas the Commander has explored so far. It is possible to have Shepard's Paragon/Renegade scale(s) maxed out, but still not have the percentage required for certain dialog options."

Since dialogue options are based on %, then even if you avoided landings and have the bar maxed, some decisions will still be greyed out for you. I think the bar re initializes every time you land (because more morality is added to it) so a bar at half would mean you have half of the morality points of the places you have explored...which is a bad thing.

[Garrus-Vakarian]

''so a bar at half would mean you have half of the morality points of the places you have explored...which is a bad thing''

How is that possible?  That cant be i even did the moralty guide, there are no more points in the game until now. 

I think the bar fills it self time after time and after a certain amount  it is full, lets say it is full @ 1000 paragon/renegade points,  but this doenst mean that you cant get even more paragon points in game.

theres only a certain amount of points that can be gained, it sound like it is impossible to get all the charming options ...

The way you explained it sounds like it is a matter of luck whether the option will be greyed out or not.

Modifié par Garrus-Vakarian, 09 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[swenson]

You're both sort of wrong. As far as I know (and it's hard to say for sure; ME2's morality system is notoriously difficult to understand), certain choices do require a minimum percentage of renegade/paragon. BUT it also looks at the ratio of paragon/renegade choices to neutral choices. So let's take a really hard one to get, like the Morinth decision. Even if you have 80% paragon (or renegade), you still might not be able to make that decision if you've had a lot of neutral choices in there as well. As a result, if you do Samara's loyalty mission very early on, you're going to have a much easier time of being able to make the Morinth decision because you've had fewer choices, and so on.

Basically, if you want to be able to use all those options, you have to have consistently chosen to be paragon or renegade, not neutral or mixed. You don't have to be all paragon/renegade, but you do have to be very close to that. And in many cases, the ratio is more important than the percentage.

[Garrus-Vakarian]

Well ive always only did paragon options if available, i only did neutral becuz there was no paragon option available, that plus the bonus of ME1 import... i dont think imma have a problem with charming, i think i got it now XD

Is there some kind of guide which mission you havto do first etc? I think charming zaeed is the hardest , he was the very last mission i did i think still got him charmed with a pure ME2 character.

I cant really bring my self to use the renegade options i dont know why i just like being a super hero XD

Modifié par Garrus-Vakarian, 10 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[swenson]

There might be such a guide, but I'm not sure of where to find one, so you'll have to google it. But if you've played very strongly paragon, you should have no problems.

As for which are the most difficult choices to unlock, that would probably be the Miranda/Jack argument, the Morinth decision, the Tali/Legion argument, and Zaeed. Or at least those are the most significant of the difficult decisions.

[Garrus-Vakarian]

Isnt there anything leaked? Like how much percent of the total availble paragon points you need to unlock this or that decision? I mean the developers must have thought of a certain percentage at least.