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[Lost Cipher]

Does anyone else ponder what ME3 would have been if the lead writer was drew karpyshyn?

No offense to Mac Walters, but your ending makes no logical sense. No consistancy with anything involving the Mass Effect series. Even the horrible novel that is Deception would most likely rank better.

And its suprising because some of the dialogue in ME3 is amazing, the chats between crew members felt fluid and realisitic. Even in the begining the idea that the Illusive Man was decieving himself (possible effects from indoctrination) made some sense, until it went wierd. But the ending is nothing more than a Deus Ex Machina.

Please explain what you were trying to do, if it was a cash grab... say so. If their is some deeper meaning I am missing, please enlighten me.

[MandatoryDenial1]

Yeah I really do as well. Up until the mad dash when were told that harbringer is on his way this game was awesome. As soon as I heard Harbringer was coming I thought awesome, time to deal with him. Then the disappointment of the suicide dash. O'k I can still live with this one. Then the TiM encounter which was undeniably cool. Then seeing that damn kid again whose dream sequences made no sense, whom no one else sees in any of the cut scenes, and who represents inevitability and the whole series turning its back on choice determining the future.

Yeah I miss Drew. I really do and I want to know why someone didn't put a stop to this like Casey. Someone had to have realized what this was going to do. This belongs in a Flagshipped term or a CU or an NGE level of game making blunder. Its absolutely tragic that it came from Bioware and it ended a series that was simply amazing and looked to be the single greatest gaming trilogy since Baldur's Gate... and to end it in such a way that kills any desire to even look at the previous games or even to even consider purchasing the DLC. It should have been named 2012, A Space Tragedy.

Modifié par MandatoryDenial1, 09 mars 2012 - 12:03 .

[AlphaJarmel]

This was the initial ending for ME3:

Can I just go on record saying that the original plan for ME3 was pretty much identical to this? Except instead of working to reposition galaxies, the Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy on Haestom in ME2.

The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity (I know, I know) and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

It's completely different now, though. All the Dark Energy foreshadowing in ME2 doesn't really go anywhere anymore if I remember right.

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Much better than the current rendition.

[Lost Cipher]

Is that actually true AlphaJarmel?

[Dreskar]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

This was the initial ending for ME3:

Can I just go on record saying that the original plan for ME3 was pretty much identical to this? Except instead of working to reposition galaxies, the Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy on Haestom in ME2.

The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity (I know, I know) and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

It's completely different now, though. All the Dark Energy foreshadowing in ME2 doesn't really go anywhere anymore if I remember right.

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Much better than the current rendition.

That.. would have been very interesting to see, and indeed the whole 'THIS SUN IS DYING FASTER THEN IT SHOULD." never gets explained or even brought into context... I would prefer that sort of horrific choice, naturally I would pick telling the Reapers to go to hell but that is a much more powerful choice then a Deus Ex Machina with no logic or barring on anything that happened.

[Eterna]

Nobody would complain about the endings if the Mass relays didn't blow up.

[Lost Cipher]

If the ending AlphaJarmel talks about is true, then I want that game instead of this one. At least their is connection with the other titles.

And the choice you would make at the end appears to have permanence.

[IanPolaris]

Eterna5 wrote...

Nobody would complain about the endings if the Mass relays didn't blow up.

I think there would still be complaints but nowhere near as strident or universal.  It's the destruction of the Relays that essentially destroys the Mass Effect universe as a franchise and instantly invalidates all the decisions that we've made over 100 hours of gameplay...and that is why as a plot device for this kind of game, it is unforgivable.  Having some (bad) endings involve a destruction of the relays would be fine, but they ALL do and that's not right.

-Polaris

[AlphaJarmel]

Lost Cipher wrote...

Is that actually true AlphaJarmel?

It's stated by a guy who worked at Bioware to some capacity.

[Eterna]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Nobody would complain about the endings if the Mass relays didn't blow up.

Wrong.

How so? Your Shepard can live and the Normandy crew can be rescued. Everyone is happy. 

[Someone With Mass]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

This was the initial ending for ME3:

Can I just go on record saying that the original plan for ME3 was pretty much identical to this? Except instead of working to reposition galaxies, the Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy on Haestom in ME2.

The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity (I know, I know) and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

It's completely different now, though. All the Dark Energy foreshadowing in ME2 doesn't really go anywhere anymore if I remember right.

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Much better than the current rendition.

Wow.

That would have been infinitely times better than the current ending. Who the hell even prioritized the current ending over this?

[MandatoryDenial1]

I was told that this ending wasn't used because essentially they didn't want to turn the reapers into what was essentially good guys.  They wanted to keep them "bad."

[Landline]

That dark energy end is actually... It actually sounds rather interesting. Presents a real moral dilemma. Better then whats in the game, but that doesn't really say much.

[Eterna]

Someone With Mass wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

This was the initial ending for ME3:

Can I just go on record saying that the original plan for ME3 was pretty much identical to this? Except instead of working to reposition galaxies, the Reapers' goal was to find a way to stop the spread of Dark Energy which would eventually consume everything. That's why there was so much foreshadowing about Dark Energy on Haestom in ME2.

The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of it's genetic diversity (I know, I know) and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread.

The original final choice was going to be "Kill the Reapers and put your faith in the races of the galaxy in finding another way to stop the spread with what little time is left" or "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."

It's completely different now, though. All the Dark Energy foreshadowing in ME2 doesn't really go anywhere anymore if I remember right.

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Much better than the current rendition.

Wow.

That would have been infinitely times better than the current ending. Who the hell even prioritized the current ending over this?

 Personally I think it's boring. But whatever.  It also doesn't make sense as to why the Reapers are commiting genocide. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 09 mars 2012 - 12:22 .

[Lost Cipher]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Lost Cipher wrote...

Is that actually true AlphaJarmel?

It's stated by a guy who worked at Bioware to some capacity.

If indeed true, I am so disapointed with all the leadership involved allowing what would have been an infinetly more satisfying and bittersweet ending to slip through their fingers.

And all we got about Kal'reager was a piece of mail.

Keelah se'lai

[Someone With Mass]

Boring or not, it's better than the piece of crap people have to drag with now. And it actually had some kind of foreshadowing.

Oh, and scrapping it for the sake of keeping the Reapers as the bad guys is just stupid.

[AlphaJarmel]

I would bet anything that was the original plan for the trilogy and Drew K wrote the ending. Walters wanted to put his own spin or take on the series and so therefore changed the endings to their current rendition. Remember that Drew K worked on ME2 to a limited extent but ME3 was all Walters.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 09 mars 2012 - 12:24 .

[Eterna]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Boring or not, it's better than the piece of crap people have to drag with now. And it actually had some kind of foreshadowing.

Oh, and scrapping it for the sake of keeping the Reapers as the bad guys is just stupid.

 Honestly, I'd rather have the endings we have now instead of "WE ARE REAPERS AND WE LIKE TO DO GENOCIDE!!  btw, we're also the good guys!" 

[Praetor86]

blame SWTOR cause thats all that Bioware cared about with having Drew work on that and not finish what he started.

[AlphaJarmel]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Honestly, I'd rather have the endings we have now instead of "WE ARE REAPERS AND WE LIKE TO DO GENOCIDE!!  btw, we're also the good guys!" 

Honestly it would tie much more into the necessary evil than the current endings do.  The current endings talk about Singularity which is a well known and well discussed topic.  Singularity is easily avoidable and shown in the series while Dark Energy ripping apart the galaxy is a much more complicated and harder issue to solve.

[Eterna]

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

 Honestly, I'd rather have the endings we have now instead of "WE ARE REAPERS AND WE LIKE TO DO GENOCIDE!!  btw, we're also the good guys!" 

Honestly it would tie much more into the necessary evil than the current endings do.  The current endings talk about Singularity which is a well known and well discussed topic.  Singularity is easily avoidable and shown in the series while Dark Energy ripping apart the galaxy is a much more complicated and harder issue to solve.

 But then all of Mass Effect one doesn't make sense, why the Hell would Sovereign attack the Citadel? How does that stop the Dark matter? How does detroying all sentient life stop the dark matter? It leaves a lot of plot holes. I'd say even more than the current endings do. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 09 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[Someone With Mass]

Eterna5 wrote...

 But then all of Mass Effect one doesn't make sense, why the Hell would Sovereign attack the Citadel? How does that stop the Dark matter? How does detroying all sentient life stop the dark matter? It leaves a lot of plot holes. I'd say even more than the current endings do. 

Because it's how they acquire their intelligence.

They absorb the knowledge of entire civilizations and upload their minds into the machine bodies. They'll have more thinking power and as they harvest the technology from all the civilizations, they make different advancements towards their goal.

It makes a hell of a lot more sense than systematically killing organics to save them.

[AlphaJarmel]

Eterna5 wrote...

 But then all of Mass Effect one doesn't make sense, why the Hell would Sovereign attack the Citadel? How does that stop the Dark matter? How does detroying all sentient life stop the dark matter? It leaves a lot of plot holes. I'd say even more than the current endings do. 

It seems like the Reapers would have been slowing the speed of the dark energy.  In ME2 it's implied that they have some sort of control over it.  Sovereign would have attacked the Citadel in order to let the Reapers in so they could create a new 'special' human Reaper that could stop the Dark Energy spread.  As for why they destroy sentient life, it's explained that they create Reapers out of past species that help with the Dark Energy issue.

Heck I could explain that it's so desperate this cycle is mainly because they couldn't create Reapers with the Protheans, thus the Collectors, and so the expansion rate wasn't reduced as much as it should have been.

The ending ties in so much better with ME2 it's not even a joke.

Hell they foreshadow this in ME3 with the conversation with Garrus about the cold calculus of lives.

Modifié par AlphaJarmel, 09 mars 2012 - 12:38 .