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plaguecaller

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Thank you Mass Effect 3 there bioware . - KudosImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB
 If it was not for you creating this game these boards would not be up. Image IPB

 The boards are a constant source of amusement because of all the whining going on. Seriously, the time investment and sense of ownership that some people have is amazing.

I could do a full thesis about these boards and the dynamics played out here by some of the posters. This is the raw stuff graduate work comes from. - epic.

The ethical and moral choice dilemmas in game talked about here are just ripe for the picking for in so many disciplines.
The wailing about the endings and bioware fix this and that. It’s like a master card commercial I have to say. – priceless.

The sense of entitlement to a happy ending is just awesome. Thank you for giving us a game that spawned these boards. Better than live TV. You have welded the community together.I am on my third bag of popcorn already just reading this stuff.
It’s your game I’m just playing in it.  in the end if we can't laugh at ourselves we are toast.Image IPB

Modifié par plaguecaller, 09 mars 2012 - 12:46 .


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Carmen_Willow

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Is this irony, sarcasm or just tongue-in-cheek?

I love these board for the reasons you mention. On the surface we may be discussing TIM, or Loghain or Anders, but underneath you find out about the fine line between freedom fighter and terrorist or patriot and regicide or futurist and power mad technologist.

The tone of the times can be heard sounded on these boards if one but listens and occasionally sings with the choir or in counterpoint to it. I find it rather fascinating myself. I love the discussions, and I love the fact that Bioware writers create stories and characters that promote such discussions.

But I still want my happy ending, at least one happy ending.

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There are some very intelligent and persuasive critiques of the endings to be found. Don't dismiss it all as adolescent whining. I agree, some people go a little overboard with the Bioware hate and whining. I think the game as a whole is A+ fantastic when looked at objectively.

BUT, subjectively, the ending has been nothing less than traumatic for many players. The people who have seen the ending at this point have been playing pretty intensively for days, and may have even played the whole series again in the last week or so. The endings to the subplots and the character arcs were so satisfying and right, in my opinion. But the finale wasn't even "poetically dark," it was just plain bleak.

So, yes, thank you, Bioware for such a well-designed, immersive, polished, and well-written game, but could you please contribute to our therapy fund?

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plaguecaller wrote...

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TL;DR -> I have nothing to say about mass effect in my post and my whole topic is irrelevant to the board it is posted in, I just want to express my level of intellect and lack of intercourse.

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Said it before. Thank you for the game itself. Loved it.
Hated your ending. Absolutely loathed it with every fiber of my being.

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Looking at this board, now I know why Hollywood is so afraid of sad endings.

I think ME3 is the best out of the whole series, and the trilogy pretty much beat every game out there now.

Modifié par demoneo, 09 mars 2012 - 02:05 .


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Golferguy758

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Sad endings fine.
Poorly written endings that are bleak and depressing for the sake of being bleak and depressing. Bad.

There IS a difference.

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Indeed, Mass Effect 3 was a unique experience, but the ending could've been better, as suggested this member

Faraborne wrote...

 I received this from a friend who just beat ME3.  This was his solution to the ending problem:

Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.

Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.

Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.

The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.

If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you. 

Me: I personally think this solution would be profound.  Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game.  If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book).  Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.

 
Anyway, thanks for everything Bioware, hope you listen to our suggestions !

Modifié par Matt_117, 09 mars 2012 - 02:08 .


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Golferguy758 wrote...

Sad endings fine.
Poorly written endings that are bleak and depressing for the sake of being bleak and depressing. Bad.

There IS a difference.

From the start of the game, they pretty much set the tone for you. I get a sense of hurtling towards some doom as I progresses. I think the whole theme and idea was prepared quite nicely. In fact, back during ME2, I always thought the sucide mission wasn't desperate enough.

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I think some people should thank them its probably the most effort they expended in a while just tapping keys. Probably built up some keyboarding skills on this board.

Some people are just ungrateful for what bioware did for them- go figure. I mean look at the community development we have going on here that this game has stimulated on this board.Image IPB

I read some of the rabid threads here and it's like seeing an old frankenstien movie going on when the villagers grabbed their torches and went to burn down Frankies Castle.

I wonder what type of hatemail they are getting if any.

Probably stuff like " I really wanted to sleep with miranda again you B@st@rdos. - never touching another game of yours again.. well at least till the next release that is- so there. "



These boards are more intense than the game.Image IPB

Modifié par plaguecaller, 09 mars 2012 - 03:20 .


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The sense of entitlement to a happy ending is just awesome.


You write about "writing a thesis", yet apparently you can't read. How does that work?

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Yes. Thank you for this wonderful trilogy that includes some of my favorite characters and moments of all time.

But then you had to go and god'amned ruin the entire god'amned thing!

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I mostly appreciate the OP for attempting to have -one- conversation on this forum that is not about "AUGH THE ENDINGS SUXXORS BW FIX!"

I mean, it's like the WoW forums in here. Sheesh.

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Dresden867 wrote...

I mostly appreciate the OP for attempting to have -one- conversation on this forum that is not about "AUGH THE ENDINGS SUXXORS BW FIX!"

I mean, it's like the WoW forums in here. Sheesh.


Except that's exactly what he is talking about. Complaining about the complainers, what does that make you? Wanna start a conversation on a different topic - go ahead! I just don't really see anything else worthy of discussing right now.

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Golferguy758 wrote...

Sad endings fine.
Poorly written endings that are bleak and depressing for the sake of being bleak and depressing. Bad.

There IS a difference.


There is a difference between bleak and depressing and bittersweet.

Shepard saved the universe, and died doing so. Bleak and depressing is Shperad dies and fails.

I thought the game was brilliantly written.

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plaguecaller wrote...

Thank you Mass Effect 3 there bioware . - KudosImage IPBImage IPBImage IPB
 If it was not for you creating this game these boards would not be up. Image IPB

 The boards are a constant source of amusement because of all the whining going on. Seriously, the time investment and sense of ownership that some people have is amazing.

I could do a full thesis about these boards and the dynamics played out here by some of the posters. This is the raw stuff graduate work comes from. - epic.

The ethical and moral choice dilemmas in game talked about here are just ripe for the picking for in so many disciplines.
The wailing about the endings and bioware fix this and that. It’s like a master card commercial I have to say. – priceless.

The sense of entitlement to a happy ending is just awesome. Thank you for giving us a game that spawned these boards. Better than live TV. You have welded the community together.I am on my third bag of popcorn already just reading this stuff.
It’s your game I’m just playing in it.  in the end if we can't laugh at ourselves we are toast.Image IPB


Or to summarize: I think I'm witty and intelligent because I have nothing productive to add to the whole 'the ending is terrible' crowd so I'm just going to generalize that they're all fussy children. Really, your life must be quite quite sad if this is your source of enjoyment.

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Tyloric wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

Sad endings fine.
Poorly written endings that are bleak and depressing for the sake of being bleak and depressing. Bad.

There IS a difference.


There is a difference between bleak and depressing and bittersweet.

Shepard saved the universe, and died doing so. Bleak and depressing is Shperad dies and fails.

I thought the game was brilliantly written.


But he did fail, in my eyes at least. The universe that I (PERSONALLY ME) cared about is gone.

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plaguecaller wrote...

I think some people should thank them its probably the most effort they expended in a while just tapping keys. Probably built up some keyboarding skills on this board.

Some people are just ungrateful for what bioware did for them- go figure. I mean look at the community development we have going on here that this game has stimulated on this board.Image IPB

I read some of the rabid threads here and it's like seeing an old frankenstien movie going on when the villagers grabbed their torches and went to burn down Frankies Castle.

I wonder what type of hatemail they are getting if any.

Probably stuff like " I really wanted to sleep with miranda again you B@st@rdos. - never touching another game of yours again.. well at least till the next release that is- so there. "



These boards are more intense than the game.Image IPB


:unsure::o:alien:

Because emote spam diffuses the fact that I like to think I'm witty when I'm just an **** with an ego the size of mars. Also what Bioware 'did for us'? No, bioware didn't do jack ****, they made a product wanting to get money, people are starting to dislike said product, and it is my advice to those people that if they truly don't like it they should do as I have done and simply return the game for a refund. They're a corporation, they make things for their own self-interest, you trying to justify it just shows how naive you are or how much your head is shoved up your butt pucker.

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Matt_117 wrote...

Indeed, Mass Effect 3 was a unique experience, but the ending could've been better, as suggested this member

Faraborne wrote...

 I received this from a friend who just beat ME3.  This was his solution to the ending problem:

Proposal is as follows:
There should be a fourth option available at the end - and the beauty of it is that it would naturally branch in a way that satisfies both of the outcomes people are asking for.

Right now, the Guardian presents us with three options - destroy, control, and merge. Each are depressingly self-destructive in their own ways, and as we all know, we have no choice but to pick one. DLC could add a fourth option: REFUSE.

Shepard stabs a defiant finger in the Guardian's chest and declares it is not their right to "protect" us from the consequences of our own actions. If peace was forged between the Quarians and the Geth, Shepard cites that as proof that the Guardian's premise of inevitable conflict between synthetics and organics is wrong. If not, Shepard can simply deny the Guardian's conclusion and declare that we're going to go down fighting. Shepard delivers an ultimatum: take your abominations and go. Whether we live as a civilization or die by our own hand is a choice to be left to every one of us. So, f*** you very much, but thanks for thinking of us.

The Guardian blows off Shepard's ultimatum, and the Reapers continue to fight. At this point, the outcome is out of your hands. Shepard watches, unable to intervene, as the fleets continue to engage, the forces of the galaxy attempting to defeat the Reapers once and for all in conventional combat. The Guardian taunts you, trying to goad you into choosing one of the three options it offered, while assuming the forms of different people you've lost along the way: Virmire casualty, Anderson, and your love interest, dead or alive, just to screw with you. You can change your mind, or continue to stand and watch. If you gathered enough war assets (as in, much higher than the required amount for the "perfect" ending we're given now), the Reapers are defeated at horrific cost, but the Relay network remains intact, and Shepard gets to reunite with his/her LI and squad provided the Normandy survived the fight (itself dependent on other criteria). This would be the hardest ending to achieve, requiring the greatest effort and providing the most reward. You would really have to work your ass off to do this, but as evidenced by this poll, most of the people here would be willing to try.

If you didn't have enough resources, the Reapers emerge victorious, and, having defeated the combined military might of the galaxy, they are free to harvest everyone else. The cycle continues. They win. Either way, you get to spit in the devil's face once more instead of bowing to the invariably self-destructive choice he offers you. 

Me: I personally think this solution would be profound.  Furthermore, it really gives five endings for the game.  If you we're not fully prepared for the war, then Shepherd allows the Reapers to win without sacrificing his integrity (which would be a major win in my book).  Finally, if you were fully prepared then you receive the most rewarding ending possible with what I think could potentially be one of the most creative boss fights in gaming history...a battle of wills alone.

 
Anyway, thanks for everything Bioware, hope you listen to our suggestions !


I would have gone with the option to work my a s s off to get the massive amounts of resources and then told the Catalyst to ****** off, we are going to beat this on our own terms, and if we fail, then we fail a galaxy united!

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If you took the time into seeing what people have been saying you'd realize that people love the game, up until the ending.

For instance...

When Harbinger comes down, and everything goes to hell, where's Garus and Tali? Garus being my closest and best friend, and Tali being my romance, where are they to even see if I'm dead?

It is these small things that annoy me, the choices and decisions you have made in the past games with unique characters seems nearly pointless.

This is why I didn't like the endings.