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[Damiannnnn]

This isn't a rant or a complaint, it's just a question.

When my mage can tank, heal, and do 96% of the DPS of my group of 4  (all at the same time) then why should I play as anything other than a mage?

I tried playing as a Dalish archer yesterday. At level 8 with 25 DEX, 20 STR and some cunning, if my arrows ever hit the target, which most of the time they didn't, they were doing around 10-12 damage. Alistair was constantly dying because he sucks at the role the game forces you to have him in, Leliana was doing even worse DPS than I was with 2 enchanted daggers, but Morrigan was the one holding it all together. Without her the group I had wouldn't even be able to kill mediocre groups of enemies.

So, when a mage can fulfil every role of every other character, DPS, tank and heal, all at the same time, why should I ever play as anything other than a mage? I don't even need a rogue in my group to unlock chests because I simply don't need what's inside them. My group are all wearing the clothes they started the game with, except Alistair who has heavy armour on, including my mage who is still wearing the +1 willpower robe, and I'm doing 96% of group damage, tanking, and healing, and none of my group have ever died.

[Skellimancer]

Because i hate Mages

[marshalleck]

Because BM/AW makes the game incredibly boring.

[VanDraegon]

Because i like the game play style of warrior more?

[Trigonous]

Because you want to get the level 20 achievements.

[Loc'n'lol]

Because leather, steel and being covered by the blood of your enemies looks better than silly clothes.

[wanderon]

Becuase not everyone feels that the most optomized/powerful character is always the most fun?



Becuase you want to play a character that hates or fears mages?



Because you like rogues or warriors?



Or just becuase you can...

[chiliztri]

Because finishing moves ftw.

[Sixteen Miles]

Because Rogue is so awesome.



In my two playthroughs I have played Mage and Rogue and so far Rogue is way way way more fun than Mage. Sure the mage could AE the **** out of anything that came near it and I really like the entropy line of spells which doesn't seem to get much credit overall but something about sneaking up behind a group of enemies and absolutely decimating them as a rogue before the rest of your group even catch up to you is just top for me.

[Damiannnnn]

You all have a point. The game has been incredibly boring so far with no challenges, even on hard. I'll start again I think. Dwarf noble rogue here i come!. weeeeeeeeeeee

[Xultep]

Mages are kind of the easy button (at least early on)... But they are suppose to be OverPowered OP. But I am not sure you will be able to tank, heal and DPS better than an specialist in any of those categories. Case in point, Morrigan can't heal nearly as well as Wynne, and Wynne can't DPS worth... And the primary DPSer in my party has always been my main, regardless of class.



Anytime you have a class that always hits, that is going to be OP. And there is a reason why mages are always my number one target.

[perablenta]

and have you noticed that the mace has no finishing moves?

[seb__]

Because Rogues can do it from behind.

[Wintermist]

Because it's a Role-Playing Game. you get to play the role you fancy.

[marshalleck]

Because have you seen the mage hats in the game? Ugh.

[jnno]

Because it's a role playing game?...


 aye, too late..

Modifié par jnno, 26 novembre 2009 - 05:34 .

[StuartMarshall]

Well not everyone plays for having the most "l33t" killer but rather for variety (#1 reason to try different classes) and for the storyline. In my two playthroughs I've played as a tank and mage, next time I will try rogue!

[BomimoDK]

because mu rogue does 90% of MY party damage, it all depends on who you make your "pet" cuz that's who you gear as first priority.

[Dark83]

perablenta wrote...

and have you noticed that the mace has no finishing moves?

I thought a mace kill on an ogre was you smashing his brains out?

[bjdbwea]

Because of the other origins and different replies from NPCs. And because the mage clothes and especially the hats are ugly. Apart from that, yes, the mages are the most powerful class. But with the companion respec mod, you don't need to be the mage yourself to have a mage exactly like you want in the party.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 26 novembre 2009 - 05:38 .

[Cheiron the Centaur]

Because it's irrelevant how much damage YOU do. What matters is not the individual, but the sum. So the whole party (or, in some situations, the whole army).



And yes, it also matters how you want to roleplay this. Playing a rogue or warrior can actually be fun too.

[Byrnghaer]

Because i hate the robed, gentle and 'polite' (for lack of a better word) appearance of mages.

I love barbarians, light leather armour, preferably bear or wolfskin, long beard, dual axes, long hair, basically a Viking Berserk, not giving a crap about their own safety as long as they can hurt and kill their foe in a barbaric rage.

Mages simply dont come close to that personality.

Being brutal without remorse, emerging from the mist to eviscerate anyone who stands against you.

[OurSacrifice]

Damiannnnn wrote...

This isn't a rant or a complaint, it's just a question.

When my mage can tank, heal, and do 96% of the DPS of my group of 4  (all at the same time) then why should I play as anything other than a mage?

I tried playing as a Dalish archer yesterday. At level 8 with 25 DEX, 20 STR and some cunning, if my arrows ever hit the target, which most of the time they didn't, they were doing around 10-12 damage. Alistair was constantly dying because he sucks at the role the game forces you to have him in, Leliana was doing even worse DPS than I was with 2 enchanted daggers, but Morrigan was the one holding it all together. Without her the group I had wouldn't even be able to kill mediocre groups of enemies.

So, when a mage can fulfil every role of every other character, DPS, tank and heal, all at the same time, why should I ever play as anything other than a mage? I don't even need a rogue in my group to unlock chests because I simply don't need what's inside them. My group are all wearing the clothes they started the game with, except Alistair who has heavy armour on, including my mage who is still wearing the +1 willpower robe, and I'm doing 96% of group damage, tanking, and healing, and none of my group have ever died.

Sounds to me like you have a case of the exaggerations.  Regardless, you are hiding your game profile by not linking it, so we can't verify what you are actually doing versus what you're claiming.

[FedericoV]

Because in game there are two wonderfull mages that you can have in your party, while the warriors and rogues are so and so and will never be like a warrior or rogue that you create from the start. That's the only real reason I can see if we do not talk of RP but only of pure power.



Having said that, I understand your point. DAO's class system is far from perfect and there are too many asymetry between classes.



For example, stats. A mage only needs 2 stats. A warrior 4 stats, maybe five if we include magic for potions and health.



Even in the books that gives free talentes there are asymmetry. The talents book could be spent even for spells but that's not true for spell books (correct me if I'm wrong).



Even in BG II (so AD&D) Mages were really overpowered but at the greatest levels a group could not make it without a warrior, a rogue and a cleric to support the mages.



I know that DA:O is a single player game so it's not a problem of balance. The balance is between your party and the darkspawn... but a system where there is potentially no need at all of a class (rogues) and where another class is there only to distract enemies while the mages nuke 'em, it's not my kind of game system.

[Magic Zarim]

Because it doesn't matter what class you pick at the start? The fact that all the available party members are characters of yours at the same time? Because no matter if you take a melee, you can always at least complement your party with two mages and play with them as they are yours just as much as your 'main' character?



Balance issues are moot for a singleplayer game where all the playable characters are under your control.