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[Falklol]

The mage was fun to play for a while, but I'm a melee-guy myself. The joy of finding a new weapon or piece of armor for a melee-class is also greater than finding one for the mage, atleast in most games I've played. Mages are very powerful from the start, I don't like this, I want to find items for my character, that really contributes to his power, seeing him rise from a spoiler brat to a hardened veteran warrior.

Modifié par Falklol, 26 novembre 2009 - 05:52 .

[Neil Decurio]

Ok, armor doesn't really apply, you can make a Mage into an Arcane Warrior and wear all the armor and still put points into Magic, wich helps you as a caster as well. Finishing moves, again doesn't really apply, as you can still perform finishing moves as a Mage (AW is good for being up close doing melee).



However, although I can tank with my Mage, by making him an AW, I still prefered tanking as my first character who I made a Warrior. I enjoy playing Leliana's character alot when I fight, and find myself controlling her quite often (I have made her into a Ranger archer) - so I think my next character (was going to be Rogue regardless for achievement) is going to be an archer. An answer to the question, why play anything but a mage? Because you can if you want to and it is what's fun for you. The most fun I've had, is with this last character as an Arcane Warrior with minimal talent points spent (so I hardly see him as OP yet). (20 stat points to spread around still, 9 talent points -- but it's also because I haven't really decided fully how I want to distribute the points yet). Someone else will state that playing AW is boring (like was done above). It's all a matter of preference and what you enjoy.



Play the role you want to play. What does it matter what others think, as long as you have fun?

[MerinTB]

Simple answer -

it's a story-based role-playing game and you might want to play a character who is a warrior or a rogue?

Just a thought.

Damiannnnn wrote...

This isn't a rant or a complaint, it's just a question.

When my mage can tank, heal, and do 96% of the DPS of my group of 4  (all at the same time) then why should I play as anything other than a mage?

I tried playing as a Dalish archer yesterday. At level 8 with 25 DEX, 20 STR and some cunning, if my arrows ever hit the target, which most of the time they didn't, they were doing around 10-12 damage. Alistair was constantly dying because he sucks at the role the game forces you to have him in, Leliana was doing even worse DPS than I was with 2 enchanted daggers, but Morrigan was the one holding it all together. Without her the group I had wouldn't even be able to kill mediocre groups of enemies.

So, when a mage can fulfil every role of every other character, DPS, tank and heal, all at the same time, why should I ever play as anything other than a mage? I don't even need a rogue in my group to unlock chests because I simply don't need what's inside them. My group are all wearing the clothes they started the game with, except Alistair who has heavy armour on, including my mage who is still wearing the +1 willpower robe, and I'm doing 96% of group damage, tanking, and healing, and none of my group have ever died.

[JessicaGlenn]

I'd like to have more recruitable mages in the game actually. But yeah, on my 2nd playthrough playing the mage got boring cause I didn't really have much of a challenge. Now on my 3rd, playing rogue is hard and surprising cause there's a few hidden quests for rogues only.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Damiannnnn wrote...

Why play as anything other than mage?

I've been asking this question for 12 years.

Mages are always the best.  Suddenly with DAO people seem to have realised it.

[GlassRain]

Cause warriors are so OVERPOWERED!

[Magic Zarim]

I chose a mage to begin with, simply because well.. I like mages However, I'm playing him the way I like to play him, being a primalist. In my party I only take Wynn for healing, Alistar is pretty much my dedicated tank and talented as such. Either Lilliane or Orch.. something that dwarf, and before, Sten as the group's melees, for their damage and utility (rogue).



I enjoy playing the party members just as much - if you want to take on encounters it certainly helps learning the other classes so you can at least use their abilities at times you need them. It's just fun, setting up a whole party and guiding it through battle by queueing commands for all of them.



On a next playthrough I'm sure to try other classes and will most likely have Morrigan and Wynn in the party at all time and whomever I decide to have for a tank if I'm not making a warrior myself.



But yeah, another party mage to chose from besides these two would be nice. There are like 4 elee characters in the game (Dwarf, Sten, Dog and Lillian and possibly Allstar if you have him go melee)

[Pseron Wyrd]

Wintermist wrote...

Because it's a Role-Playing Game.

This.

[Xultep]

OurSacrifice wrote...

Damiannnnn wrote...

This isn't a rant or a complaint, it's just a question.

When my mage can tank, heal, and do 96% of the DPS of my group of 4  (all at the same time) then why should I play as anything other than a mage?

I tried playing as a Dalish archer yesterday. At level 8 with 25 DEX, 20 STR and some cunning, if my arrows ever hit the target, which most of the time they didn't, they were doing around 10-12 damage. Alistair was constantly dying because he sucks at the role the game forces you to have him in, Leliana was doing even worse DPS than I was with 2 enchanted daggers, but Morrigan was the one holding it all together. Without her the group I had wouldn't even be able to kill mediocre groups of enemies.

So, when a mage can fulfil every role of every other character, DPS, tank and heal, all at the same time, why should I ever play as anything other than a mage? I don't even need a rogue in my group to unlock chests because I simply don't need what's inside them. My group are all wearing the clothes they started the game with, except Alistair who has heavy armour on, including my mage who is still wearing the +1 willpower robe, and I'm doing 96% of group damage, tanking, and healing, and none of my group have ever died.

Sounds to me like you have a case of the exaggerations.  Regardless, you are hiding your game profile by not linking it, so we can't verify what you are actually doing versus what you're claiming.

LOL, I just played my level 3 archer, getting him to level 5.  If he aint exaggerating then he doesn't know how to play...  My level 5 archer (Daelish as well) was doing between 17-19 damage at a fast rate!  But the fact that he put points in str, means he really doesn't know how to play!

Modifié par Xultep, 26 novembre 2009 - 06:57 .

[Eshme]

Because its a role playing game.



Nobody is stopping you to play a mage solo ,if thats what you prefer.

[Anaraavi]

Because I want to experience the game using all classes, and variations of the same. Each battle playes out diferently, and needs different PC control outside of the other companions, whether (micromanaged or tactical).

[thisisme8]

First, you have to understand that the game is not about your PC, but about your party's role, affect, and story in Ferelden during a set point in time with emphasis being on your PC (the nature of storytelling). With this in mind, you are actually controlling a whole party and not just a mage or rogue, per se. Since you have enough NPC's to fill any role in your party, logically this would mean that your PC will only be 1/4th of the controllable characters you can play at any given time. The choice of classes for the other three (including mage) are up to you.



Why play a different class? Because you already have two mages that can be in your party, so unless you want to have a party with three mages, or you want to see how the story unfolds as a mage, I would ask, why play as a mage? Granted, this argument can be said of any class, so the real question is: was your question rhetorical or not?

[Kimberly Shaw]

The pervasive thought a lot of people seem to have is that mages are just too generalized in this game due to the lack of a "priest" class, so a mage can be healer and damage dealer and crowd controller. Toss in AW and also an amazing tank...which leaves little room for any other characters.



I honestly think, perhaps unpopularly, that much like the warriors are forced to be sword/shield or 2 hander or dual weild, mages should have been forced to be crowd control, healer or direct damage with perhaps a minor cross over of another of the 3. And casting while in AW mode should have more been much more restricted than it is.



But I'm not a game designer, and its single player, so who cares about class balance, right?

[Thadar69]

Variety, The MC can be anything. Dual Wielding Rogue, Archer, Two Handed Warrior, Sword and Board... Why limit yourself to one thing because you perceive mages to be more powerful. You can always put a mage in your party to complement the MC.



In a single player game that is what you should do. Find complements and run with them. This game is great because of the variety.

[CoreyGunz]

let me just say that for me nothing is better than running into a mob of enemies with sword and board and laughing at their attempts to drop you while your DPS'ers destroy them in a brutal fasion, blood covered armor, check.

[Damiannnnn]

Xultep wrote...

OurSacrifice wrote...

Damiannnnn wrote...

This isn't a rant or a complaint, it's just a question.

When my mage can tank, heal, and do 96% of the DPS of my group of 4  (all at the same time) then why should I play as anything other than a mage?

I tried playing as a Dalish archer yesterday. At level 8 with 25 DEX, 20 STR and some cunning, if my arrows ever hit the target, which most of the time they didn't, they were doing around 10-12 damage. Alistair was constantly dying because he sucks at the role the game forces you to have him in, Leliana was doing even worse DPS than I was with 2 enchanted daggers, but Morrigan was the one holding it all together. Without her the group I had wouldn't even be able to kill mediocre groups of enemies.

So, when a mage can fulfil every role of every other character, DPS, tank and heal, all at the same time, why should I ever play as anything other than a mage? I don't even need a rogue in my group to unlock chests because I simply don't need what's inside them. My group are all wearing the clothes they started the game with, except Alistair who has heavy armour on, including my mage who is still wearing the +1 willpower robe, and I'm doing 96% of group damage, tanking, and healing, and none of my group have ever died.

Sounds to me like you have a case of the exaggerations.  Regardless, you are hiding your game profile by not linking it, so we can't verify what you are actually doing versus what you're claiming.

LOL, I just played my level 3 archer, getting him to level 5.  If he aint exaggerating then he doesn't know how to play...  My level 5 archer (Daelish as well) was doing between 17-19 damage at a fast rate!  But the fact that he put points in str, means he really doesn't know how to play!

STR contributes to the damage of bows. I got it to level 20 so that I could equip the best bows in the game later, and so that I could actually do some damage before getting Lethality at level 8.

[Gecon]

Because if you play an archer, you choose the most weakest spec ? And if Alistair wasnt doing his job, then you probably didnt skilled him right. At the time you get to Morrigan, you should have had the 2 levelups to give him taunt. Next is Threaten, then work on the shield wall and the shield mastery lines. Yes he should have gotten those earlier but what can you do.

[Horace the Well Meaning Hybrid]

As far as I know Mages cannot Shield Bash.

[Xultep]

Damiannnnn wrote...

Xultep wrote...

LOL, I just played my level 3 archer, getting him to level 5.  If he aint exaggerating then he doesn't know how to play...  My level 5 archer (Daelish as well) was doing between 17-19 damage at a fast rate!  But the fact that he put points in str, means he really doesn't know how to play!

STR contributes to the damage of bows. I got it to level 20 so that I could equip the best bows in the game later, and so that I could actually do some damage before getting Lethality at level 8.

I just confirmed it in my l33t book of min/maxing (LOL the strategy guide), and then the game...  It looks like you were led astray by the game...

When it says the modifier effects all weapons, but xbows and stave.  I think they left out bows, the strategy guide actually points this out.  The instruction manual right below it in dexterity is the only modifier for ranged weapons (bows and xbows).  Still they should have been consistent!

But if you don't believe me just look at the math.

At level 5 I am doing an average of 18 damage and you at level 8 are doing 11!  That's right, I do half the damage of arcane bolt but fire 3x's the speed (feels that way)!  If I don't miss, do the math!  LOL, the problem with archers is that you do miss and there is where you have the trade off.  That and you don't use stamina for normal shots.

So reroll and put it all dex and your level 2-3 archer will out DPS your level 8   Also, get a decent bow.

Modifié par Xultep, 26 novembre 2009 - 07:45 .

[CraigCWB]

"Because leather, steel and being covered by the blood of your enemies looks better than silly clothes."



Actually, I don't think it does in this game! The metal armor looks hideous. So the real question is not about the mage, but rather about why bioware made so much of an effort to provide so many types of metal armor, when it all looks so bad that anyone who cares about graphics is going to be running around in leather? And the other question is, why has bioware not replaced the people responsible for their bad graphics a long time ago? This isn't a technical limitation. It's poor artistic aesthetics. And for god's sake, Bioware, stop with the weirdly proportioned human males! At least you don't make males with hips as wide as their shoulders any more - now their waits and hips are only the same width as their chest, so that's a big improvement! But whoever does your modeling seems to have some kind of a "thing" for bottom-heavy men. That's not what men is reasonable good condition look like, Bioware. What's you effing problem!? Look at how everyone else does it, and do it the same way? Is it that difficult? It's been 10 years you've been struggling with these artistic issues! Is it supposed to be cute or something?



a) Make armor and other clothing that looks good



Make the models look like actual athletically-built people



Your games would instantly be much better

[Anoxx]

cause you don't want to die in 2 hits for 90% of the game?

[Xultep]

CraigCWB wrote...

"Because leather, steel and being covered by the blood of your enemies looks better than silly clothes."

Actually, I don't think it does in this game! The metal armor looks hideous. So the real question is not about the mage, but rather about why bioware made so much of an effort to provide so many types of metal armor, when it all looks so bad that anyone who cares about graphics is going to be running around in leather? And the other question is, why has bioware not replaced the people responsible for their bad graphics a long time ago? This isn't a technical limitation. It's poor artistic aesthetics. And for god's sake, Bioware, stop with the weirdly proportioned human males! At least you don't make males with hips as wide as their shoulders any more - now their waits and hips are only the same width as their chest, so that's a big improvement! But whoever does your modeling seems to have some kind of a "thing" for bottom-heavy men. That's not what men is reasonable good condition look like, Bioware. What's you effing problem!? Look at how everyone else does it, and do it the same way? Is it that difficult? It's been 10 years you've been struggling with these artistic issues! Is it supposed to be cute or something?

a) Make armor and other clothing that looks good

Make the models look like actual athletically-built people

Your games would instantly be much better

Just curious, don't mean to derail, but are you playing on the XBOX?  I have both the PC and the XBOX and the XBOX textures are just uggg!  PC stuff looks really good.

[xCirdanx]

Because it´s a matter of taste? Maybe you want to do the achievements? Maybe you want to see all the endings? The list goes on and on, and besides if your mage does 96% of the dmg you should try to learn to controll, equip and understand your other party members better, because that´s the proof you don´t do that. I guess a harder difficult lvl wouldn´t hurt also.

[Hahren]

I think the better question can be "why bring anyone with you" when the issues is you doing 96% of the damage. You realize that you can carry more than 50% of the party damage contribution playing pretty much anything in this game right? You can also set up the party tactics to greater effect, and then you won't carry 96% of the damage dealt either.



So reasons for playing other classes are simple. Experience different aspects of the game, and have the ability to compose other parties around your build idea. Sure 2h weapon style doesn't do amazing DPS but it has some very interesting status effects that you don't get from the other melee styles. It also offers knockback/stun immunity which is really amazing against some bosses. I'm going 2h with my dwarf noble. He does require some other melee support because he'll take too much damage if he gets swarmed. I'm enjoying it all the same though. It's tactically different from my facerolling mage that could have beat the game alone.



I don't feel mages are imbalanced in the game. The world of Dragon Age fears mages, and rightfully so. Built right they are an army unto themselves, and for that I do enjoy their power. Mages in DA:O are no worse than magic users in any other Bioware RPG either. They don't need to be balanced for a single player game. The fact you can solo this game with one is no worse than me having giggle fits making every encounter in KOTOR 1 & 2 trivial with my lone Sith Lord. Or soloing Neverwinter Nights as a fighter/rogue with a lot of points in use magic device.



It don't remember any of those instances hurting the enjoyment of someone else. They were my game plays, and the only one left in tears was the AI of the computer.

[Faerell Gustani]

So, what if I want to play a CC styled mage but also want a gameplay challenge?

I mean, I love mages. I love the concept of wielding arcane powers, but just about every game I play makes mages superbly overpowered to the point where it's no fun to play them.



In other words, yes, game balance does matter. If by playing a mage, the game becomes easier all around, there is a detrimental effect on enjoyment of the game. I don't enjoy easy mode, and nor do most gamers. We wouldn't be gamers if we didn't want a challenge.