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ME3 has NO replay value... Due to ending.


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 God, this has to be the most depressing thread on here, but at the same time I'm compelled to add my own thoughts to it. 0.o

To think that we've all put so much time into playing through Mass Effect 1&2 multiple times with what could only be called unbridaled joy, yet most of us now don't even care to start the game up again, and in some desperate cases, not even look at the game box anymore.
I even feel miserable looking at the ME3 icon on my desktop now too. 
I think to myself "why bother? I know how it's going to work out. I'm going to have to watch him die and leave Liara again right"?
Bloody hell, it's a mess if all I can think about is not playing the game to spare those Shepherd will leave behind the misery of wondering what happened to him.

There are a lot of great game franchises out there that have always felt rewarding and fulfilling with their finality once it's all over.
Why the hell has Mass Effect failed so badly in that respect?

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I still want to replay it. For me the illusion of choice and the road to getting to the ending is as important as the ending is...so w/e

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If it was only less ambiguous.

If they wanted to make Mass Effect 4, I'd rather they told us ages ago so that they could make a more definitive, cliffhanger ending.

Instead, we get confusion, annoyance and regret.

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I'm still gonna replay it, the only thing that suck was the last 10 or so minutes but everything else was awesome!

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starscreamerx31 wrote...

I agree and i would seriously pay for a dlc alternate ending at this point. Regardless of what you do there all the same. Such dissapointment


Also can we stop saying we'd PAY for a DLC ending please? Maybe Bioware actually are reading these I don't want to give them the idea of charging us for it.

The way I see it, they personally OWE us something with better closure rather than charging us for it.

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Gee all the people who says the ending Stinks , shouldn't finish the game .
Infact after all the storm bad comments , went to Youtube and you know what !!

The ending is epic , I love it , why cause it is a ending a closure, maybe not for the renegade, who would spit on all sacrifice the universe to save his own Skin .
But for anybody else is the perfect ending to a trilogy of Shepard saga .
Welldone Bioware , now if you cannot stand that all good things must come to a end.

Then dont do the final assault , wait for them to release a DLC that you can continue playing without ever ending the reaper or shepard saga ,play it like skyrim.
Make your own adventure, your own storyline.

But I think truth be told , this is a epic ending for Shepard , blood guts and selfsacrifice .
And if you don't like that , Well sorry true heroes are the ones who are dead check the medal of honor lists

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mrjoshiepoo wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

mrjoshiepoo wrote...

Regardless of my opinion on the game, I am looking to see if Bioware makes a move regarding the complaints. It might be one of Biowares last chances to show it is still loyal to it's fans. Even though I am ok with the ending, the action Bioware might or might not take regarding the fans input will greatly determine if I buy future games from them.

Same here.

On another note, ME3's already grimdark as hell; some of the ambient dialogue nearly brought me to tears.  Shouldn't the ending(s), you know, relieve that?  Shouldn't we be made to feel that the worst really is over?

Hell, we're not even sure what happens to the galaxy after Shep goes all JC on Helios the Catalyst and stuff.

 

I don't mind that ending  its  the one I choose but damn that needs to some more explination.. some debate with  the Catalyst  about all of it and the process and what happend afterwards.  I still have questions about the Catalyst and its terriblely flawed way of solving a problem that really has no true solution and I mean more than the whole  Organic vs Syntethetic angle it was trying to play that came off as  sad cover for the what really need to be said.   Why should we let you live when all  you do is kill each  other and destory yourselfs with power you don't understand.... They could have played that angle straight instead  of trying to tip toe around and did so damn poorly.


I agree, I had more questions after the ending of ME3 then I did before I started actually. But at the same time there is nothing wrong with not knowing everything to a story sometimes things are meant to be mysterious. Or even force you to use your own imagination.

 
 

I don't mind it but that does not mean I thought is good by any strencth it still all pretty much crap.  It could have been played completly differently.  They could have done the Snergy and keep the relays intact... the Reapers fly off no longer needed . Shepard a good bye with his friends and loved one via "What Ever" Then the ending could have  Shepard and  The Guardain back in the park from the dreams  sitting on the Bench. 

"How long do think it will last, is this truely best solution, are they ready?" 

"I don't  know but we made it  this far and we won't know lets we give them a chance."  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 09 mars 2012 - 07:01 .


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We could argue all day about opinions but you would still be factually wrong.

One ending has Shepard not dead. So it is not in any sense a definitive ending for Shepard.

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Bioware... GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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After seeing the endings to ME3, the whole franchise lost it's replay value.

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How could they take something so awesome and turn it into a steaming pile of Varren dung???

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Drake_Hound wrote...

Gee all the people who says the ending Stinks , shouldn't finish the game .
Infact after all the storm bad comments , went to Youtube and you know what !!

The ending is epic , I love it , why cause it is a ending a closure, maybe not for the renegade, who would spit on all sacrifice the universe to save his own Skin .
But for anybody else is the perfect ending to a trilogy of Shepard saga .
Welldone Bioware , now if you cannot stand that all good things must come to a end.

Then dont do the final assault , wait for them to release a DLC that you can continue playing without ever ending the reaper or shepard saga ,play it like skyrim.
Make your own adventure, your own storyline.

But I think truth be told , this is a epic ending for Shepard , blood guts and selfsacrifice .
And if you don't like that , Well sorry true heroes are the ones who are dead check the medal of honor lists



Its about choices in the previous games, and in ME3 up untill the ending not mattering a damn. The ending itself is tollerable, but choices should matter in the end. It was what the devs said when marketing the game all the way. Choices would matter in the end, and there would be 16 endings depending on those choices. We didn`t get that, did we?

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Sywen wrote...

 I 100% agree.  This was the only collectors edition I ever bought.  I made my family crazy with my excitement for this game.  I have multiple playthoughs of the first 2.  I loved this game until the endings.  Unless something changes, there is no way I can put myself though this again.  I don't think I can even play 1 and 2 again.  I just feel horrible still hours later.  Real life is sucky enough sometimes...in games I wanna have a choice of some happy ending.



I'm in the same boat as you. 

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Anyone else agree with me on this? I have no desire to play ME3 again because I know that no matter what I do I will end up with one of the 16 horrible endings. With all other ME games I played through them many times, but this one is just going to sit on my hardrive after my most recent playthrough. I just don't see the point in replaying the game knowing I will be just another flavor of depressed when completed.

Here is a link to a poll...

http://social.biowar...52/polls/29102/



The 16 endings are all VERY VERY much the same as far as your LI, Crew and Shep is concerend. 


All the work effort and emotional investment into the past 5 years down the tubes.........  dissapointing is an understatment, leading up to the final 30 minutes of this game I was very pleased with it, then BAM - lets really screw up the entire story........  

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Seboist wrote...

ME3 has no replay value but not because of the endings, it's due to it being a linear popamole shooter.


It's laughable actually. ME3 has zero replayability for the fact that you can restart the "mission" where Shepherd stumbles towards the beam then later picks a differing option than the other two.

Why waste another 30+ hours going through the game when you know that's all you can do?
It's THAT reality which makes it unplayable for a full second time.

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You mean the control ending , Well he isn't alive either with his body burned to crisps.
So he is dead in the way you know it .

But what is it with people expecting a ME2 ending that you cruise around infinitely, when they stated that there will be a ending to Shepard saga .

And from ME1 the moment you start you knew what kind of person Shepard is .
And honestly the ending. Couldn't have been more epic , Shepard did what he set out to do .
End the reapers threat at all cost , and he did , now people who don't want it to end .
Just don't finish the game , don't expect finally in long time a real ending .
To be changed cause you cannot accept the ending , it is a closure to a trilogy .
Not a to be continued till we are all bored of Shepard .
In mass effect 15 , like final fantasy serie or the long drag out serie of wheel of times .

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I agree with the sentiment. None of the endings gives me any kind of satisfaction. Shepard is f*cked unless you commit genocide on the geth and all other synthetics, and even then I wouldn't want to imagine the situation in the Sol system with all the allied quarians and turians condemned to die. The galaxy is f*cked whatever you do. Dark Age endings I resent beyond anything else, and now I don't have a choice to prevent it?

Replaying ME3 will feel like walking to a funeral, and who wants to to that several times if it's avoidable.

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Rawgrim wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

Gee all the people who says the ending Stinks , shouldn't finish the game .
Infact after all the storm bad comments , went to Youtube and you know what !!

The ending is epic , I love it , why cause it is a ending a closure, maybe not for the renegade, who would spit on all sacrifice the universe to save his own Skin .
But for anybody else is the perfect ending to a trilogy of Shepard saga .
Welldone Bioware , now if you cannot stand that all good things must come to a end.

Then dont do the final assault , wait for them to release a DLC that you can continue playing without ever ending the reaper or shepard saga ,play it like skyrim.
Make your own adventure, your own storyline.

But I think truth be told , this is a epic ending for Shepard , blood guts and selfsacrifice .
And if you don't like that , Well sorry true heroes are the ones who are dead check the medal of honor lists



Its about choices in the previous games, and in ME3 up untill the ending not mattering a damn. The ending itself is tollerable, but choices should matter in the end. It was what the devs said when marketing the game all the way. Choices would matter in the end, and there would be 16 endings depending on those choices. We didn`t get that, did we?


The choices were very slim already in chapter one of ME 3 ... sorry I saw that one coming when a lot of options are cut down to paragon or renegade , with no shade of grey . .
And yes that part you can be angry about , cause it seems they didn´t kept there promise , with 16 endings.
Then again maybe they did , anybody got 10k resource points ?
Or maybe they have more DLC ready with more ending over time ..

But currently you can be angry for lack of choices , but not for a ending of a trilogy .
Dissapointed yeah , frustrated also , but doesn´t mean the ending is bad .. it is more cummulations of all things then not getting rewarded .

But then again , SWTOR is the same story , so basically Bioware lost the REWARDING part  or the game plus part.
That they beter work on , cause story wise it was great and epic , the reward sadly not .

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Now, maybe i'm a "pseudo-intellectual" like someone said, but i liked the ending :D

The problem i see is that the first two games focus on Shepard and humanity, but then 3's ending ups the scale into something much bigger, and that shift of focus wasn't done all that good. Only the Reaper Destroyer at Rannoch and the Catalyst touched the underlying main theme; the reason the extinction cycle was set up in the first place. That could've used more exposure, and is something that can be addressed with DLC. Still Shepard ended it, and even  with the huge cost it was a victory. And "Tell me another story about the Shepard". Shepard is now bigger than Gordon Freeman :lol:

And i'll be repalying all the games in this trilogy many times. In fact, i already am.

Modifié par ToJKa1, 09 mars 2012 - 07:35 .


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What the hell did I just finish playing?! So Shep dies and the relays are gone. So all fleets in orbit of Earth, means the entire galactic community now has to live on earth?

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I just finished my play-through today and honestly? I feel insulted.

I can't fathom why I'd want to pick up this game again, especially since I realize now that ANYTHING I do will have little to no effect on the ending. After that long journey, the loss, the fighting, the struggle and the possibility of reaching the end goal...

It boils down to pick a door: 1, 2 or 3. And it will be that way every. single. time.

Mass Effect 3 had some amazing moments. I found myself laughing, crying, amazed at just how strongly I was connected to these characters. To the plot. To my Shepard.

I can deal with loss and I was prepared to lose my Shepard if necessary. But this? This is just... well... insulting.

I have no plans to replay this game. It feels pointless.

Modifié par DasGota, 09 mars 2012 - 07:33 .


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But I think truth be told , this is a epic ending for Shepard , blood guts and selfsacrifice .
And if you don't like that , Well sorry true heroes are the ones who are dead check the medal of honor lists


Shepard dying doesn't make this ending bad. Terrible writing and plot holes do. Lack of consequence for our choices do. Lack of connection to the entire story of three games do. I'm all for the "dark" ending, I was prepared to see Shepard die as I started playing ME3. But there were 99 million ways to have a "dark" ending that actually MADE SENSE.

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Lexagg wrote...

But I think truth be told , this is a epic ending for Shepard , blood guts and selfsacrifice .
And if you don't like that , Well sorry true heroes are the ones who are dead check the medal of honor lists


Shepard dying doesn't make this ending bad. Terrible writing and plot holes do. Lack of consequence for our choices do. Lack of connection to the entire story of three games do. I'm all for the "dark" ending, I was prepared to see Shepard die as I started playing ME3. But there were 99 million ways to have a "dark" ending that actually MADE SENSE.


What connection do you want more , harbringer game over , illusive man game over ..reaper game over.
What more connection is there and as bonus or hatred shepard game over .

Seriously atleast he died for what he set out to do , I don´t see what the problem is .
Maybe people wanted another ending , but the canon ending does fit .
So I can understand that it is not a happy ending , that we gamers once in a while want a good old fashion ride off into the sunset ending , like blade runner had , the good old western .
But sadly writers don´t think that is the way for them to go anymore .
Cause it is so cliche .

So ask them to make ride into the sunset ending as DLC , just writers hate to write those endings.

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I really would have preferred having the ending be dictated by my overall choices rather than do like the Deus Ex games and make one choice at the end that can be totally different than whatever else I've done. I would have liked to have an ending where perhaps seeing the united front of all races, the Child realized that the cycle was broken. Also, why do I have to destroy synthetics (which includes the Geth that I just gave true sentience to) in order to save Shepard. Synthesis with Shepard living would have been nice. I don't want to destroy the Geth, or the technology that is the very foundation of ME, but I also feel absolutely terrible leaving these characters behind.

I guess it really just bugs me that the 16 possible endings were more dependent on that readiness meter than the collective choices spanning three games.

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Drake_Hound wrote...

Lexagg wrote...

But I think truth be told , this is a epic ending for Shepard , blood guts and selfsacrifice .
And if you don't like that , Well sorry true heroes are the ones who are dead check the medal of honor lists


Shepard dying doesn't make this ending bad. Terrible writing and plot holes do. Lack of consequence for our choices do. Lack of connection to the entire story of three games do. I'm all for the "dark" ending, I was prepared to see Shepard die as I started playing ME3. But there were 99 million ways to have a "dark" ending that actually MADE SENSE.


What connection do you want more , harbringer game over , illusive man game over ..reaper game over.
What more connection is there and as bonus or hatred shepard game over .

Seriously atleast he died for what he set out to do , I don´t see what the problem is .
Maybe people wanted another ending , but the canon ending does fit .
So I can understand that it is not a happy ending , that we gamers once in a while want a good old fashion ride off into the sunset ending , like blade runner had , the good old western .
But sadly writers don´t think that is the way for them to go anymore .
Cause it is so cliche .

So ask them to make ride into the sunset ending as DLC , just writers hate to write those endings.


Sorry but every single one of your posts has shown you have no idea what you're talking about.