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[Cheiron the Centaur]

Embrosil wrote...
Well yes, I would. I would take two people from working on something not so important to work on something that most game owners are waiting for. I will not buy any new DLC till the game is patched and I think I am not going to be alone.

First: that would be extremely inefficient. Then there's a whole team of people twiddling their thumbs and waiting as they can't continue their work on the next DLC (even though they still need to be paid), just so you can have your patch 2 days earlier. Bioware can't just fire them for a couple of weeks, so even if they can't do anything, they still need to be paid... which would increase the cost of the next DLC (and have even more people complaining about the DLC being too expensive... you being one of them, I'm sure).

Second:  "something that most game owners are waiting for" is highly exaggerated. This game has easily sold more than one million copies at this stage, and most of those are playing the game without noticing any major bugs. There's a vocal minority on these boards of maybe a 100 people who have encountered a variety of bugs for their particular situation (some major issues, some not so big). Putting the entire DLC team on hold because (less than) 1% of the people playing is experiencing a variety of issues (some of which may not even be reproducable on Bioware's own setup, meaning they're extremely hard to find/fix) would be a stupid move, both with regard to the economics and with regard to the rest of the playing community.

Yes, if you're one of those people who have major issues and you can't progress the game, that s*cks. But for now, please just put the game down and give Bioware a bit of time (a couple more weeks at most, I guess) to work out those issues and get the patches out. This game has the potential to still give you lots of fun for several years to come, so what's a few more weeks?

[Domi-kuin]

Cheiron the Centaur wrote...

Embrosil wrote...
Well yes, I would. I would take two people from working on something not so important to work on something that most game owners are waiting for. I will not buy any new DLC till the game is patched and I think I am not going to be alone.

 1% of the people playing is experiencing a variety of issues (some of which may not even be reproducable on Bioware's own setup

Don't talk out of your ass.... 1%? Let's remember that not every single player is going to join the forums and post the fact they get riddled with glitches and lag.  I'm guessing you don't play console versions, because that is what is suffering badly. I have played games with minimal bugs fine, but the PS3 version of this game has so much lag, frame rate issues and glitches. 1 being the loot lag, then you'll get frame rate issues in some battles, having to wait around for a cutscene after killing a boss because of the lag. The fact that the discs dont have different copies of the game, means it's easily  re-created. I have tested the laggy boss battles about 3 times and it happens all the time, the glitchs are so minimal at the beginning but as you progress it gets bigger and bigger.

[Cheiron the Centaur]

Domi-kuin wrote...
I'm guessing you don't play console versions, because that is what is suffering badly. I have played games with minimal bugs fine, but the PS3 version of this game has so much lag, frame rate issues and glitches.

I'll just ignore the namecalling, as I assume that's just frustration speaking.

I am talking about the PC version exclusively. This is the PC Technical Support section, so problems relating to the PS3 version are irrelevant here. Besides, PS3 players don't benefit from the next PC patch anyway, so for them the discussion of how many people are working on the next PC patch is irrelevant anyway.

And yes, with 1 million copies sold (for the PC version; if you add the consoles I'm sure it's already quite a bit more), and a vocal minority of about a 100 people (PC players) posting on this forum with problems, the 1% was a very generous guess (taking into account all those not registered here), as 1% of one million is still 10,000 people!

[Edit] I'm sure Bioware are monitoring the PS3 Technical Support section as well, and are aware of all issues reported there, and they are working on fixes for those too. And yes, you're right, those should be a bit easier to reproduce.

Modifié par Cheiron the Centaur, 27 novembre 2009 - 09:31 .

[Ranik15]

KSamurai wrote...

AlmostTactful wrote...

I'm hoping it comes soon, this game shipped with WAY to many issues.....

I've seen worse.  This pales in comparsion of some games I've seen that been shipped sometimes.

Anyone remember 'Vampire - The Masquerade, Bloodlines'.  Now that was a broken RPG ^^ and the travisty, the company supporting it went bust before it officially patched.

I own that game, and the modding community, Wesp in particular have gone to great lengths at fixing bugs, restoring missing content, etc.

[Soepkip1987]

Cheiron the Centaur wrote...

Domi-kuin wrote...
I'm guessing you don't play console versions, because that is what is suffering badly. I have played games with minimal bugs fine, but the PS3 version of this game has so much lag, frame rate issues and glitches.

I'll just ignore the namecalling, as I assume that's just frustration speaking.

I am talking about the PC version exclusively. This is the PC Technical Support section, so problems relating to the PS3 version are irrelevant here. Besides, PS3 players don't benefit from the next PC patch anyway, so for them the discussion of how many people are working on the next PC patch is irrelevant anyway.

And yes, with 1 million copies sold (for the PC version; if you add the consoles I'm sure it's already quite a bit more), and a vocal minority of about a 100 people (PC players) posting on this forum with problems, the 1% was a very generous guess (taking into account all those not registered here), as 1% of one million is still 10,000 people!

[Edit] I'm sure Bioware are monitoring the PS3 Technical Support section as well, and are aware of all issues reported there, and they are working on fixes for those too. And yes, you're right, those should be a bit easier to reproduce.

1 million copies sold doesn't mean anything if people place them on the shelves hoping for that patch. Not everyone with a problem registers to talk about it, most just lurk and hope.
Frankly, I find your tone very condescending. I am well above the minimum specs for this game, my pc is in top-notch condition and I can't enjoy the game for more than 20 minutes at a time?! That sir, is a problem and I'm not the only one.

As much as I love this game and however much respect I have for Bioware (they've made some of my favourite games), there is no denying this game has technical issues, big ones.

[BittermanAndy]

I, for one, will not be buying any further DLC until the existing DLC bugs are fixed.



I suspect I am not alone.

[Mortirus]

I'm also looking forward for a serious patch which will fix the most common bugs at least i.e. Dumb Shale, manually using "services.msc" anytime you log in to the game etc. etc.

It's a shame that such a good game made by so famous team, three weeks after its release is lack of serious patch.

[Jargonus]

I thought that there was supposed to be a patch this week. Has anyone heard about this week?

[FuManchu12]

In a sense, it's a positive thing that most of the problems are with the DLC. Problems in the game itself only become apparent once the game is bought and so don't cause EA financial loss, while DLC problems hit at the willingness of people to buy further DLC, and so damage a business model that I'm sure they hoped for great things from.



They need to get it sorted out before Mass Effect 2 hits the market, because people sure as hell won't be taking DLC playability for granted for ME2 like we all did for DA:O.

[Soepkip1987]

I'm confident though that Bioware is doing everything in its power to fix these gamebreaking bugs.

I expect the next patch to fix at least some of the directly fixable problems.

[Cheiron the Centaur]

Soepkip1987 wrote...
Frankly, I find your tone very condescending. I am well above the minimum specs for this game, my pc is in top-notch condition and I can't enjoy the game for more than 20 minutes at a time?! That sir, is a problem and I'm not the only one.
As much as I love this game and however much respect I have for Bioware (they've made some of my favourite games), there is no denying this game has technical issues, big ones.

Did you even bother reading my previous posts? I never denied the game has problems that need fixing, and that this s*cks for those who suffer from them.
However, claiming that almost all people playing the game are suffering from those problems, is simply wrong (come on, be realistic!).

And even given the severity of some of those problems, taking the programmers off the DLC team to work on those problems is not a realistic solution, and expecting those problems to be solved today is just as unrealistic.
So all I said is: Bioware have already confirmed that they are working on those problems, so please give them some time! After all, we're all (supposed to be) adults here, right? So let's just try to behave as such...

[Shilarva]

Excirial wrote...

I would be surprised if it was released so soon. Software development cycles usually take much longer then a couple of days - you could of course use the hotfix to fix the daggers and shortbows.

Couple days? its been a few WEEKS now...

[Tosheroon]

Weeks for a patch is the bare minimum, unless the issues are very minor and do not impact other game dynamics. The fact that there is a hotfix for the DEX/STR bug is an obvious sign that the reported issues are being addressed, but the patch will still have to go through QA before being released.



In war, victory

In peace, vigilance

In death, sacrifice

In patching, patience

[enderandrew]

Historically, Bioware has done a fantastic job patching and supporting their games. Bioware and Blizzard lead the industry in this regard.



Historically, EA has been terrible at paying staff to support and patch products. EA now owns Bioware sadly.



I'm honestly curious how that plays out.

[Jaryd theBlackDragon]

KSamurai wrote...

AlmostTactful wrote...

I'm hoping it comes soon, this game shipped with WAY to many issues.....

I've seen worse.  This pales in comparsion of some games I've seen that been shipped sometimes.

Anyone remember 'Vampire - The Masquerade, Bloodlines'.  Now that was a broken RPG ^^ and the travisty, the company supporting it went bust before it officially patched.

But when all is said and done I had a lot less problems with Bloodlines than I have with DOA, in fact, I can't think of any major bugs I ran into on my first playthrough with Bloodlines (I think there were some stability issues, but compared to broken savegames/DLCs I'd call that minor), though I only ever really played 3 of the four "classes" (Tremere, Nosferatu and Malkavians fwiw). Shame they went out of business, the game was pretty great otherwise (good story, good atmosphere)

If you want an example of a truly broken RPG try Gothic 3, game wasn't even finished. The same story with KotOR2, completely unfinished game, most of the ending didn't even make sense due to the amount of content that was missing (even more so if you played the neutral path). The release of those 2 was a big fat finger to the customers.

That said DAO only suffers from technical problems, maybe a bit too many of them but let's hope the next patch fixes at least the really major issues.

[Shadesofsiknas]

I am having this "memory leak" problem myself. I was planning to download Wardens keep and had my eye on Return to Ostagar for when its released.. But I will be shelving my game till this problem is fixed and wont be going near any DLC either. I hope this isnt a sign of things to come with Mass Effect2 and SW.TOR. If it is I will be staying well clear. I doubt Im the only one feeling this way.

[enderandrew]

Vampires: Bloodlines and Gothic 3 are two of the buggiest RPGs I've ever played. The fan community has been releasing mammoth unofficial patches for Vampire:Bloodlines, and to this day, they still haven't fixed all the bugs. KOTOR2 sadly wasn't finished, but it wasn't horribly buggy.



The last Pool of Radiance game had a bug that would wipe your OS. Now that's buggy.

[roberttonkiss]

surely the issue is that the next patch cures the problems. A half assed patch will cause more problems than if they take thier time and release it when the issues are properly solved.

[Grizzly_UK]

KSamurai wrote...

AlmostTactful wrote...

I'm hoping it comes soon, this game shipped with WAY to many issues.....

I've seen worse.  This pales in comparsion of some games I've seen that been shipped sometimes.

Anyone remember 'Vampire - The Masquerade, Bloodlines'.  Now that was a broken RPG ^^ and the travisty, the company supporting it went bust before it officially patched.

Just a small correction, Troika did actually release an official patch for VtM:B before they closed down. Even the Unofficial patch for VtM:B now includes the official v1.2 patch to make installation easier! I suspect that Troika (like many game developers) were forced to release the game early by the publishers, in the the case of VtM:B probably to cash in on the release of HL2.

It is impossible for any game developer to test their PC game fully. The sheer number of possible PC build variations (all those pre-built, custom-built and home-built systems) simply makes it a somewhat staggering task to eliminate every single bug. Something that affects one system may not affect another! On the other hand, Consoles are supposed to be easier to develop games on simply because they are virtually a "fixed" system with little to no variations. Not sure why so many are reporting bugs and problems on all versions of DA:O, but hopefully BioWare can get it all fixed.

I'm happy to wait for BioWare to fully complete their internal testing on any patches before they release them. BioWare does have a pretty solid record when it comes to supporting and fixing their games. Yes, it sucks for all the players who want to just play the game. But I'd much rather BioWare take their time to actually ensure that their patches do work and really do fix things instead of fixing some and breaking others! *cough*FO3*cough*

[jableskage]

well if they cant cope with a single player game? imagine SWTOR? man if it this quality on release imagine the community backlash?

[enderandrew]

The weird thing with Vampire: Bloodlines was that Half-Life 2 kept getting pushed back. Troika kept saying V:B was ready and they were just waiting on HL2. Which meant that they stopped development early, even though they had time on their hands, and they must have known they were sitting on a very buggy product.



Troika had good designers, but they put out several technically flawed products.

[Grizzly_UK]

jableskage wrote...

well if they cant cope with a single player game? imagine SWTOR? man if it this quality on release imagine the community backlash?

BioWare can more than cope with a single player game! Ever played a beta of an MMO? Those are buggy as hell and the beta testing normally lasts several months while the developer works hard at fixing all the reported problems. Having said that, I'm sure BioWare are continually learning and will no doubt apply all they learn from DA:O's release and subsequent problems to their work on SW:ToR. I really don't see any reason to be starting any sort of panic in regards to what might happen with SW:ToR as that particular game is still some ways off from a release date!

[Matthew Young CT]

jableskage wrote...

well if they cant cope with a single player game? imagine SWTOR? man if it this quality on release imagine the community backlash?

You're assuming everyone's experience is the same as yours. Personally, I've had...one crash. Well over 100 hours and 1 crash. Maybe I'm lucky, maybe I'm the norm. One can't tell which from a forum like this, where naturally most posters are having problems.

[jableskage]

Grizzly_UK wrote...

jableskage wrote...

well if they cant cope with a single player game? imagine SWTOR? man if it this quality on release imagine the community backlash?

BioWare can more than cope with a single player game! Ever played a beta of an MMO? Those are buggy as hell and the beta testing normally lasts several months while the developer works hard at fixing all the reported problems. Having said that, I'm sure BioWare are continually learning and will no doubt apply all they learn from DA:O's release and subsequent problems to their work on SW:ToR. I really don't see any reason to be starting any sort of panic in regards to what might happen with SW:ToR as that particular game is still some ways off from a release date!

comparing DAO to a beta would be correct for most peoples problems.

@ mathew: i a experiencing the odd crash but nothing on the scale of the unfortunate people here... why not create a thread stating i have no crashes so i am here to gloat about it?