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Dear Bioware, why are your endings catastrophic?


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Aleka

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I, along with various other fans as I am sure you have
noticed, are up in arms about the endings for Mass Effect 3. Casey Hudson
stated we would have closure, a great ending in this interview:



http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/



Sadly, that is not the case. When you first introduced Mass Effect, you brought
in a loyal fanbase who fell in love with a system that gave them choice on how
to develop their characters and options on what kind of hero we wanted to be
and where our choices would affect the endings. In Mass Effect 2, those choices
carried over and branched off into even more options and choices to shape our
hero even further. The whole Mass Effect series is a game that circles around
this very principle; we, the player base, have choices and can shape our hero
however we wish that will effect the overall ending. So, I am left here
pondering, why in the world would you, in the end, present us with endings
where none of the choices, made in the span of three games really mattered?



I honestly feel as if you have robbed me. You have robbed me of a variety of
endings, you have robbed from me the belief that the choices made in the game
would affect anything. You bragged on how this choice and decision making
system would give you a somewhat different game and different endings, but then
give us 'closure' in three different ways all having the same underlying taste
in the end. Again, Bioware, you have robbed me, and probably others. And mister
Hudson, pardon my language, but if this is your idea of a 'great ending' then
allow me to say that you, sir, are a f***ing tool.



You gave us three games. Three games worth of choices and decisions that our
hero could make. The 'great ending' should also have been an option, along with
all the ones presented already. If you decide to add a dlc to appease the fan
base, well, that will show where your minds truly are. Instead of focusing on
making a great game to conclude a wonderful series from the start and truly
appeasing your loyal fanbase, you're more concerned with lining your pockets with
the profit the dlc will generate (Let's face it, I am sure many in this
community would buy a dlc that would present them with the 'great ending'
stated by mister Hudson). If a representative informs us to have a coke and a
smile, this is just the way it is, then in the above interview, I will consider
you having lied to me and will protest by never buying a game from the company.
I do not appreciate it being insinuated I will have options, when clearly I did
not.



The point that I am trying to make is, you created a game where our choices
supposedly 'mattered' and would effect our endings. I fail to see how, as
someone put it, three flavors of vanilla are enough options to conclude our
hero's story. I can understand that 'closure' has been accomplished, but the
'great ending' has not. I am disappointed that for all the choices I made and
all the playthroughs (Did a reckless Shepard and a good Shepard across the
games just to have options) that none of that mattered, I am still going to be
stuck with plain vanilla, vanilla with with beans, and vanilla yogurt.



I am just disappointed and probably disgruntled and wanted to share. I do not
know how many others would agree with me, but here is my overall opinion. Thank
you for reading the rants of a once devoted fan that is now just flabbergasted
with the amount of 'options' that were actually truly given to conclude the series.

Modifié par Aleka, 09 mars 2012 - 05:18 .


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Luigitornado

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Relax dude.

I felt like my choices mattered. It may have been an illusion of choice, but it was a bitter-sweet satisfying.

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Luigitornado wrote...

Relax dude.

I felt like my choices mattered. It may have been an illusion of choice, but it was a bitter-sweet satisfying.

Ummmm how? None of our choices had any effect on the ending. All the endings were essentially the same and all of them were terrible. You can not justify this insult to the fans. I have honestly never been this depressed before. I had been waiting for this game for so long. Now none of the ME games have any replay value.

Modifié par Olueq, 09 mars 2012 - 03:56 .


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people including me have seen all 16 endings and they all are poorly written and suck they failed harder than infantyward did with modern warfare 3 tbh. If they dont plan on fixing the game i will never give them another cent and for some reason the entire time i typed this it was in garrus's voice in my head mhmmmmmmm

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Luigitornado wrote...

Relax dude.

I felt like my choices mattered. It may have been an illusion of choice, but it was a bitter-sweet satisfying.


If you are happy with the conclusion of the game, then wonderful. I know my ranting and raving is an opinion that will ll not be shared with everyone. So, unfortunately, I am not going to relax my position just because you ask me too. :)

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Luigitornado wrote...

Relax dude.

I felt like my choices mattered. It may have been an illusion of choice, but it was a bitter-sweet satisfying.


Dude how the **** do you figure our choices mattered??

They were all the same ending basically. 

Bioware you REALLY dropped the ball this time. Bigtime. 

Never again will I be buying your products.

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Just... what breaks my heart is the grand epic universe is reduced to... very sad endings. Why didn't shep try to para or rene interrupt/dialogue the catalyst.
Please bioware, fix it. Why did you think your fans wanted this?

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Bioware screwed us all. There are 16 differnent ending but all of them just as craptastic as the others. I am ending my relationship with bioware. I will never purchase anything they make again, not even used copy for 10 bucks.

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This guy is the reason i never ill post a thing on this forum again after this post. Just listen to this

GB: There was one review that kinda leaked out, and I was wondering if the basics of the information were accurate. Like… It’s about 20 hours of game to play, and maybe about 40 hours if you really explore everything?

CH: That sounds like it’s roughly accurate. We think it’s probably bigger than Mass Effect 2 in terms of size. Very, very replayable, so even if you did that extended playthrough, all of those things are going to be different if you had different playthroughs, different characters are alive, all that kind of stuff.



LOL. He doesn't even know that he and his team at Bioware killed the replayabilty not only of ME3, but also of ME1 and ME2 with this crap story in ME3. Wow. Seriously, he needs to take a long break and do some reflection and self-criticism. Seriously NG or NG+ in this game simply isn't gonna happen.

Also this

GB: Any last thoughts?

CH: We’re really excited ourselves to get to the launch date and let people play it. I’m really looking forward to hearing people’s stories, because when people compare notes. There are so many different paths. The watercooler talk is a lot of fun. So many different things happen from one playthrough to another.



Oh boy this guy is in for a treat when he hears peoples "stories". Rofl =) 

Modifié par SyyRaaaN, 09 mars 2012 - 04:51 .


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The '16' different endings alter the 3 main choices left in the end slightly. I consider it to be very sloppy and not add anything to the overall feeling in the end. A lot of sadness, disappointment, and a bitter taste in my mouth is all that remains.

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SyyRaaaN wrote...

This guy is the reason i never ill post a thing on this forum again after this post. Just listen to this


GB: There was one review that kinda leaked out, and I was wondering if the basics of the information were accurate. Like… It’s about 20 hours of game to play, and maybe about 40 hours if you really explore everything?

CH: That sounds like it’s roughly accurate. We think it’s probably bigger than Mass Effect 2 in terms of size. Very, very replayable, so even if you did that extended playthrough, all of those things are going to be different if you had different playthroughs, different characters are alive, all that kind of stuff.



LOL. He doesn't even know that he and his team at Bioware killed the replayabilty not only of ME3, but also of ME1 and ME2 with this crap story in ME3. Wow. Seriously, he needs to take a long break and do some reflection and self-criticism. Seriously NG or NG+ in this game simply isn't gonna happen.

Also this

GB: Any last thoughts?
CH: We’re really excited ourselves to get to the launch date and let people play it. I’m really looking forward to hearing people’s stories, because when people compare notes. There are so many different paths. The watercooler talk is a lot of fun. So many different things happen from one playthrough to another.



Oh boy this guy is in for a treat when he hears peoples "stories". Rofl =) 




You are correct. What is the point of playing the first two games after we have clearly been presented that none of the options in those games are going to overall affect the ending recieved in ME3. Mister Hudson is correct in the fact that different characters will be alive in the end, however, why will I play the game again to have Mordin live instead of Wrex when in the end, the universe is still going to be just as depressing? Sorry, but no thank you.

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Worst Ending ever. How could you kill my avatar... or in essence... me. I cannot will notplay it ever again and I will caution any others I know away from purchasing this. It was wrong! wrong! WRONG!!!

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Luigitornado

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ILLUSION OF CHOICE

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Clearly, Luigitornado.

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Luigitornado wrote...

Relax dude.

I felt like my choices mattered. It may have been an illusion of choice, but it was a bitter-sweet satisfying.


LMAO! Well this is new~!! Would you care to explain to me how your choices mattered in the end?

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Chibi Buizel

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I feel like I can't play any of the games in the series again, knowing that whatever choices I make, they won't even matter.

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Chibi Buizel wrote...

I feel like I can't play any of the games in the series again, knowing that whatever choices I make, they won't even matter.


My sentiments exactly!

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panamakira wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

Relax dude.

I felt like my choices mattered. It may have been an illusion of choice, but it was a bitter-sweet satisfying.


LMAO! Well this is new~!! Would you care to explain to me how your choices mattered in the end?


See that is what my problem is. Everyone seems to be annoyed that their decisions had little to no changes on the ending. I know everyone was half expecting an ending where we would get clear cut differences, and in that, you are right, my choices did not matter.

BUT they do matter to me. The road I took defined my journey, and that's all I care about as the player. This was an illusion of choice crafted by Bioware, and I find it to be brilliant.

Metaphorically it speaks a lot about the endings of the game, that no matter what we did the chaotic nature of the universe must be balanced.

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That is very interesting, Luigitornado. That is an opinion that I can respect, and I am happy that you feel that all is good in the Mass Effect Universe. However, with the endings presented, do you also feel that others who wanted to receive an ending where they got that happily ever after are not entitled to it? And do you not think that the options made over the past three game installments should have had more weight in determining those endings? You did state that there was no clear cut difference, is that really fair considering?

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I'd be lying if I told you that I didn't want more.

I'm at odds right now. Very conflicted; I never felt like this about a video game, which in itself is why I'm so conflicted: it was just terrific.

I want the universe to continue because I want to see how the Krogan deal with their new found freedom from the Genophage, or how the Geth and Quarians are getting along, but at the same time I feel like no other ending would fit or could be shown that would be fitting for each individual's play throughs.

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This is a repost.

Why are u guys worrying about the Fleets above Earth?

Whole Galaxy is destroyed when the relays are blown. (arrival proved that true).

So the Normandy crew that crash landed somewhere are THE ONLY LIVING BEINGS IN THE GALAXY.

So basically all of the "choices"i the beginning are:

1. Shep controlling the reapers somewhere in dark space up to the point when new galaxy inhabitants actually build new synthetics that enslave all of them - and marches to bring "order" with his new pal harbinger.

2. Reapers merged with organics and there will be no organic vs synthetic war.

3. Reapers gone forever and the new galaxy is doomed to wage war on their robos at some point in a distan future.

The only remaining questions are:


1. Why the f**k the Guardian couldn't just turn reapers off or something and send them back after the crucible forced him to change his mind about his "solution".

2. Why couldn't Shep tell him that robots and organic can live in peace and understanding each other like geth\\quarians and humans\\EDI and ask him to send Reapers away and keep them for jus in case.

3. Why the f**k this robot (!) guardian "protects" the organics from being wiped by robots created by them, using ANOTHER robots. Noone asks the opinion of the living huh?

4. Who the f**k built this idiotic Guardian anyway and WHY?

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Nefelius wrote...

This is a repost.

Why are u guys worrying about the Fleets above Earth?

Whole Galaxy is destroyed when the relays are blown. (arrival proved that true).

So the Normandy crew that crash landed somewhere are THE ONLY LIVING BEINGS IN THE GALAXY.

So basically all of the "choices"i the beginning are:

1. Shep controlling the reapers somewhere in dark space up to the point when new galaxy inhabitants actually build new synthetics that enslave all of them - and marches to bring "order" with his new pal harbinger.

2. Reapers merged with organics and there will be no organic vs synthetic war.

3. Reapers gone forever and the new galaxy is doomed to wage war on their robos at some point in a distan future.

The only remaining questions are:


1. Why the f**k the Guardian couldn't just turn reapers off or something and send them back after the crucible forced him to change his mind about his "solution".

2. Why couldn't Shep tell him that robots and organic can live in peace and understanding each other like gethquarians and humansEDI and ask him to send Reapers away and keep them for jus in case.

3. Why the f**k this robot (!) guardian "protects" the organics from being wiped by robots created by them, using ANOTHER robots. Noone asks the opinion of the living huh?

4. Who the f**k built this idiotic Guardian anyway and WHY?


1, 2, 3, 4: Metaphysics ;)

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So maybe I missed something in the emotion of the end, but I only saw a red and a blue choice, but there was someone who also mention a green choice. Is there a choice that leaves Shepard and the Normandy crew (Joker, EDI, Garrus, Liara, Talli) alive? In the choice I made, Joker and the Normandy go down. I have no idea what happened to the others... dead in the explosion, I suppose. This ending really disturbed me and I fear playing it again, if there is no better ending.
From what I have read on these boards, I guess it is wishfull thinking.

If Boiware wanted to end the franchise or drive away loyal players, I think they suceeded, in a much less than stellar manner.

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Not metaphysics, SPACE MAGIC.

ETA: the green choice is the middle path, apparently only open if you have enough war assets / readiness? I had the green choice, but I had around 7000 assets at 96%, think you need 5000+ for the green choice to work.

Modifié par alternatefallen, 09 mars 2012 - 08:41 .


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Even if the ending is horrible, it's not a bad game.

It's your business if you're never buying another BioWare product because of it, but I personally won't let that ruin the game for me.

For the record I've always been a sucker for happy endings. Mainly because real life has enough realistic mess going on already. You want to feel sad? Go take a look at the world around you :)