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[Sarah1281]

The exalted BioWare protagonist never gets taken down a peg, especially in romances, so I genuinely like that Jacob finds happiness with someone else.

I don't think Shepard was taken down a peg at all, though. Shepard comes off as the wounded party because Jacob immediately cheats on her and that makes him look bad. If he had dumped her first then I could agree.

Agreed!  I couldn't care less about Kaidan.  Killed him in every single one of my ME1 playthroughs and haven't looked back.  I couldn't believe he was the only option in that damn scene.

I think the logic was supposed to be that that was the death that was the most clearly your fault. They didn't just die as a side effect of your actions or because of a choice they made or because you took them into a dangerous situation. You said "Let this person die so that this other person can live." I felt sad about Ashley at the time, sure, but I hadn't actually thought about her since being brought back to life. Oh well, I cared more about her than that stupid little boy I apparently can't stop obsessing about.

Kirrahe just takes his place and saves the Salarian councilor.  The councilor doesn't just die because you decided Thane wasn't important to you.

Well...he might. What happens if Kirrahe is dead in your game?

I don't know if the "almost-romance" with Samara is even given anything at all. 

I'm not surprised. You hit on Samara and she tells you she's not interested because she's sworn off relationships given what happened to her children. Then when you meet her again it's at the monastery her living children are confined to and one of them dies. You get to visit the place and meet the people that explain why she won't be with you and you're supposed to bring up the fact you still think she's hot and want to date her? That would be tacky beyond belief.

[huntrrz]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

I didn't even think about the Tali photo, though. I admit that was a pretty cheap move, and I'm still not sure why they did it that way.

I thought it was clever.  They were in a bind on showing Tali's face, as there would be outrage no matter what she looked like.  An indistinct photo lets the player continue to imagine the exact details, and they don't have to painstakingly create a face model that would only be shown a few times (and incite outrage).

(And I say this as a Talimancer.)

[huntrrz]

mosesarose wrote...

Honestly I think Bioware has an asari fetish or something. Liara had the best romance scene out of everyone and for what...is it because she's a prothean expert? I just can't fathom none of this. The romances were a nice part in this series and it's just sad that most of the good ones were either snubbed or weren't written as well as they could have been. It makes me wonder what the devopment team were thinking. I don't know, maybe they were in the corner picking their noses instead of actually working.

I assume they looked at the stats of who players romanced in the first two games and focused their efforts on the most popular.  There wasn't time or space on the disc to give everyone the same amount of attention.

[JamesT91]

none of the ones ive seen were very good
samara still couldnt romance, even after that scene in 2 specifcally hinting that we would be able to in the future
jack the most changed character since shepard last saw her, and what does that get us? 2 short conversations and 1 kiss then neber to be seen again
thane quick talk, then he dies interupting a fight that shepard already had under control
jacobs- havent played it but read about it
ashley, she is a squadmate but like garrus in ME 2 she says so little and its really annoying.
havent seen liara's yet, but im not gonna replay this game its not worth the time for peobably another dissapoitnment

"I assume they looked at the stats of who players romanced in the first
two games and focused their efforts on the most popular.  There wasn't
time or space on the disc to give everyone the same amount of attention."

space on the disc? there are two discs with atotal of 10gb on them, a single layer blu ray disc alone can contain 25 gb more than double this entire game

Modifié par JamesT91, 11 mars 2012 - 09:55 .

[CheeseEnchilada]

huntrrz wrote...

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

I didn't even think about the Tali photo, though. I admit that was a pretty cheap move, and I'm still not sure why they did it that way.

I thought it was clever.  They were in a bind on showing Tali's face, as there would be outrage no matter what she looked like.  An indistinct photo lets the player continue to imagine the exact details, and they don't have to painstakingly create a face model that would only be shown a few times (and incite outrage).

(And I say this as a Talimancer.)

Then I'm genuinely happy that you enjoyed it! My biggest issue with it wasn't necessarily how she looked, but the sloppy photoshop job. It looked like it had been quickly thrown together, and with the quarian faces being such a big mystery for the fanbase, I was expecting a more professionally done picture. 

[Visii]

huntrrz wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Honestly I think Bioware has an asari fetish or something. Liara had the best romance scene out of everyone and for what...is it because she's a prothean expert? I just can't fathom none of this. The romances were a nice part in this series and it's just sad that most of the good ones were either snubbed or weren't written as well as they could have been. It makes me wonder what the devopment team were thinking. I don't know, maybe they were in the corner picking their noses instead of actually working.

I assume they looked at the stats of who players romanced in the first two games and focused their efforts on the most popular.  There wasn't time or space on the disc to give everyone the same amount of attention.

Yes, but there is a middle ground between can't please everyone and won't please anyone.

In this case, the ME2 cast (Thane and Jacob especially) got so little content when it really mattered.

[TobiTobsen]

After seeing the end of ME3?

Every single one.

[Erszebeth]

Jacob by a mile. I'm fine with Thane dying like that. Feels fitting.

[Sarah1281]

samara still couldnt romance, even after that scene in 2 specifcally hinting that we would be able to in the future

What line is that? I did get the impression at one point that she sort of liked you but her reasons for avoiding romance (it was too painful after what happened with her daughters and she's a justicar who won't even visit her own daughters she's so devoted to her code) remain. It would have shocked me if she DID decide that the end of the universe was a good time to set aside the justicar code to shack up with a human.

[Sporothrix]

ME2 romances at least had some time in previous installment (although how it ends is a big part of deal). Meanwhile, the only f/f same sex romance option (aside of Liara, but Casey Hudson specifically said she's not s/s option for femShep) - Samantha - is just a fling composed from few written on a knee conversations and tasteless shower scene.

But devs insist that's she's a proper romance, so I would say she got the worst treatment.

[huntrrz]

JamesT91 wrote...

"I assume they looked at the stats of who players romanced in the first
two games and focused their efforts on the most popular.  There wasn't
time or space on the disc to give everyone the same amount of attention."

space on the disc? there are two discs with atotal of 10gb on them, a single layer blu ray disc alone can contain 25 gb more than double this entire game

A good chunk of that 10gb is duplicate files - both discs have to contain the complete game engine and enough duplicate data that you're not constantly swapping discs.

My comment still stands.  Even if space wasn't an issue, developer time was and they had to prioritize where to spend it.

[Sarah1281]

My comment still stands. Even if space wasn't an issue, developer time was and they had to prioritize where to spend it.

Of course they did. But if they could have time to have Conrad show up and try to save you and Jenna save him from himself and then the two of them walking off flirting then I don't buy that they just didn't have time to flesh out the romances.

[Mcluskysayrelax]

I posted this in another thread but it bears repeating


Also a friend pointed something out to me, why didn't they just use the voice actors face for the tali photo? Don't have to reveal what she looks like, and its a clever nod to the cast. Would have taken all of 5 minutes to do.

Ah well... just throwing it out there...

[huntrrz]

Sarah1281 wrote...

My comment still stands. Even if space wasn't an issue, developer time was and they had to prioritize where to spend it.

Of course they did. But if they could have time to have Conrad show up and try to save you and Jenna save him from himself and then the two of them walking off flirting then I don't buy that they just didn't have time to flesh out the romances.

Good point.  (Although I must say was happily surprised to see Conrad and how he turned out.)

(And again I suppose that they saw in their stats that people chose to interact with Conrad in both games and chose to treat him encouragingly.)

[nranola]

Tup3xi wrote...

nranola wrote...

Wait. So you mean to tell me that Jacob gets with another girl with a baby on the way, even if you romanced him?

...Wow. No wonder Miranda dumped him.

I have to say that I'd like to see the dialogue between Jacob and Shepard in that case. Even Shepard that did not romance Jacob was clearly surprised.

I'm curious about this, too. I got an awkward vibe from my Shepard (didn't romance Jacob) going through that conversation. I wonder how different it is for a Shepard who did romance him.

[EvilChani]

The Shep/Thane romance got shafted the worst. By far.

WTF was the point of showing us, via the Shadow Broker DLC, that Thane was a great candidate for transplants?? Just more of BioWare being sadists and spitting in our faces? To make it worse, there is no freaking mention of it in ME3! My Shepard would have demanded, after the DLC, that Thane get the transplants. If throwing a tantrum didn't work, she'd have guilted him into it ("I need you, Thane! If you won't do it for yourself, then do it for me! Do it because, without you, I'm not sure I can do this!"). Either way, there would've been a throwdown over it. And, since he swears that he loves Shepard, I don't see how he could refuse. There would be ways to keep him from contracting the disease again, if he used a damned suit like the Quarians, only one that filtered out humidity! The whole thing was stupid, and Thane's character "development" and the "romance" (I use the words loosely) were just a big FU from BioWare to Thane fans.

After Thane died, my Shepard started losing interest in saving the galaxy. Pile on the loss of Mordin and Legion and, due to her missing Thane, she doesn't even give a crap about Earth now. All she cares about is gutting Kei Leng and wearing them around her neck while she rips off TIM's head and takes a huge crap down his neck. If there's time after, she'd happily go nuclear on the reapers and take them out - and all life - in one big boom. That's just how much of a crap she gives.

Thank goodness for fanfic...my Shepard (canon Shepard) will be meeting Thane across the sea after she finishes this infernal battle. Another fic will be negating ME3 via a dream/hallucination/indoctrination/bad drug trip and rewriting it so it's not one great big suckfest of screwing the non-emo fans up the rectum with a giant chainsaw.

[Sarah1281]

After Thane died, my Shepard started losing interest in saving the galaxy. Pile on the loss of Mordin and Legion and, due to her missing Thane, she doesn't even give a crap about Earth now.

Her boyfriend died so now she doesn't give a damn about saving all life in the galaxy? That's...interesting.

Of course, I still don't see how any of that - while sad - is getting treated worse than being blatantly cheated on by Jacob with his pregnant girlfriend he can't stop talking about.

[EvilChani]

Sarah1281 wrote...

After Thane died, my Shepard started losing interest in saving the galaxy. Pile on the loss of Mordin and Legion and, due to her missing Thane, she doesn't even give a crap about Earth now.

Her boyfriend died so now she doesn't give a damn about saving all life in the galaxy? That's...interesting.

 

Her boyfriend refused treatment for a perfectly treatable disease. After being incarcerated, she finds out he's near death. He then sacrifices himself to save a councilor who, for all intents and purposes, deserved to die for her own stupidty. The emotionless way she responded to Thane's dying indicated, to me, that she was shutting down in a big way. Her "friends" showed no concern whatsoever over her loss and didn't even mention him. The man she was involved with first had the gall to "forgive" her for "cheating" when it wasn't cheating at all since man #1 flat out told her he'd rather she be dead than be saved by Cerberbus. She's working her ass off to save the galaxy and, instead of helping, they sit on their ass making stupid demands ("I want a book! I want a statue! I don't like those other people unless they do my bidding! WAH WAH WAH!"). So yeah, she doesn't give a crap anymore. There's only so much garbage you can pile on someone before they say the hell with it and leave everyone to rot. 

An aside...the one bright shining moment since the beginning was the Garrus/Shepard scene on top of the Citadel. It made me smile. Other than that, it has sucked. 

Of course, I still don't see how any of that - while sad - is getting treated worse than being blatantly cheated on by Jacob with his pregnant girlfriend he can't stop talking about.

Never romanced Jacob, and I can see why that would suck, but from what I saw of the options with Jacob in ME2 - and the creepy stalker voice Shepard got when she talked to Jacob - it seemed to me that the whole "relationship" would've been nothing but crazy animal sex. That doesn't make it right that Jacob fans got screwed but at least they got some small amount of closure instead of having BioWare take a giant ****** on them the way they did with Thaneromancers.

[Golden Owl]

Jacob's is the worst, followed up by Thane....Jacob is just a real b*stard to those Sheps who romanced him, at least Thane hadn't actually spat in Sheps face....As for my own Sheps, all unromanced, Kasumi's dialog about Jacob in ME3 has really messed with my fanfic.......of the tiny amount of dialog BW gave her, it had to be that?....

Modifié par Golden Owl, 12 mars 2012 - 01:44 .

[HK-90210]

EvilChani wrote...

Never romanced Jacob, and I can see why that would suck, but from what I saw of the options with Jacob in ME2 - and the creepy stalker voice Shepard got when she talked to Jacob - it seemed to me that the whole "relationship" would've been nothing but crazy animal sex. That doesn't make it right that Jacob fans got screwed but at least they got some small amount of closure instead of having BioWare take a giant ****** on them the way they did with Thaneromancers.

Closure my a**. I'm sorry, but Thane's ME3 romance has at least some good parts, even if they aren't many. Jacob doesn't even have a romance at all. But fact is, neither one is done well, and neither one gets an achievment. FemShep gets royally screwed out of two ME2 romances, while ManShep does just fine. This is Bull****.

[CheeseEnchilada]

I think we can all agree that the ME2 romances got less content overall, and the men are the only ones who you cannot get a Paramour achievement for, which speaks to their less-than-satisfactory role. And, quite frankly, that sucks, and I see little reason for it. Were the romances that unpopular? Or did they just decide to divert resources towards other things?

[HK-90210]

CheeseEnchilada wrote...

I think we can all agree that the ME2 romances got less content overall, and the men are the only ones who you cannot get a Paramour achievement for, which speaks to their less-than-satisfactory role. And, quite frankly, that sucks, and I see little reason for it. Were the romances that unpopular? Or did they just decide to divert resources towards other things?

idk, but I would like to know why as well. I'd like some explanation as to why Bioware felt that this the best way to do justice to the characters they created. Thane gets very few changes in dialogue with a romanced Shep, and not even an extended good-bye. And Jacob.....just dammit.

Modifié par CastonFolarus, 12 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[EvilChani]

CastonFolarus wrote...

EvilChani wrote...

Never romanced Jacob, and I can see why that would suck, but from what I saw of the options with Jacob in ME2 - and the creepy stalker voice Shepard got when she talked to Jacob - it seemed to me that the whole "relationship" would've been nothing but crazy animal sex. That doesn't make it right that Jacob fans got screwed but at least they got some small amount of closure instead of having BioWare take a giant ****** on them the way they did with Thaneromancers.

Closure my a**. I'm sorry, but Thane's ME3 romance has at least some good parts, even if they aren't many. Jacob doesn't even have a romance at all. But fact is, neither one is done well, and neither one gets an achievment. FemShep gets royally screwed out of two ME2 romances, while ManShep does just fine. This is Bull****.

Ugh! I just watched it and that was...bad. After watching that, I'll say that it's as bad as the Thane romance. The "good parts" of the Thane romance consist of a post-mortem letter from him declaring his love. So it's being in love with a guy who didn't give enough of a damn to take care of himself and survive versus being in love with a guy who acts like a complete and utter jackass who used you for sex. Whoever wrote this crap deserves a solid kick to the balls...with steel toed boots.

[Visii]

EvilChani wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

EvilChani wrote...

Never romanced Jacob, and I can see why that would suck, but from what I saw of the options with Jacob in ME2 - and the creepy stalker voice Shepard got when she talked to Jacob - it seemed to me that the whole "relationship" would've been nothing but crazy animal sex. That doesn't make it right that Jacob fans got screwed but at least they got some small amount of closure instead of having BioWare take a giant ****** on them the way they did with Thaneromancers.

Closure my a**. I'm sorry, but Thane's ME3 romance has at least some good parts, even if they aren't many. Jacob doesn't even have a romance at all. But fact is, neither one is done well, and neither one gets an achievment. FemShep gets royally screwed out of two ME2 romances, while ManShep does just fine. This is Bull****.

Ugh! I just watched it and that was...bad. After watching that, I'll say that it's as bad as the Thane romance. The "good parts" of the Thane romance consist of a post-mortem letter from him declaring his love. So it's being in love with a guy who didn't give enough of a damn to take care of himself and survive versus being in love with a guy who acts like a complete and utter jackass who used you for sex. Whoever wrote this crap deserves a solid kick to the balls...with steel toed boots.

Also, we already got that letter from Lair of the Shadow Broker.

It was the same letter, verbatim. So if you read it already, you don't get anything new, anything different.

[TMA LIVE]

Jacob got the worse treatment. You can't beat getting dumped for someone else without you knowing it.