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#301
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Zeju wrote...

Just a quick note.

The ME2 Suicide Mission was absoloutely insane. It was unknown, it was worse then war, In war you expect death, in the unknown, thats just it.

Now, taking that into account, in the Suicide Mission, you can survive with no casualities.

I'd just like to point out that in a wartime scenario, it's effective suicide because everyone dies, in some situations, you do too.

/valid point.

It's not war, it's a video game and I don't expect hero's death in a fictional story. I'm playing fictional stories because there can be all fine at end, this is the huge advantage in comparison to real life. ;)

Modifié par Prince_Valiant, 09 mars 2012 - 12:26 .


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Phydeaux314 wrote...

From Michael Gamble's (producer for ME3) twitter account: "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll [sic] - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

So, something is coming. We don't know what.

But... I'm willing to have faith. This game, aside from the ending, has probably been the best one I've ever played, up there with titles like Half-Life 2 and Portal 2. This is word that we've not been abandoned, and for me at least, that is all I need.

/salute

We eagerly await more information, and for what it's worth... I sympathize. It must be rough seeing all the people come here and and say "THIS IS SO AMAZING BUT THE ENDING RUINS IT FOR ME" when you know you have plans.


What are they planing? More depressing and soul-destroying endings where i am going to die over and over again? :(
Or just cool new looking amor for my team, which they need on their new homeplanet somewhere nowhere to survive the cruel environment?

Sorry, but I won´t touch ME again neither ME1 nor ME2 and definetly not ME3, until a good, and i mean, a real good ending is confirmed. Bioware you really made me speechless...

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http://social.biowar...5/index/9713515

Can anyone provide direct links to the tweets next time please? :)
Just so we have them in our hands.

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 09 mars 2012 - 12:29 .


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All I can say at this point is that Shepard did not deserve to go out like that. We players did not deserve an ending like that. The way they ended the series smacks of pretentiousness and arrogance and lazy writing IMHO.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

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Well if any of them were in a system with a relay they are probably dead.

The relays were not going super-nova ALA Arrival.

The Quarians are super screwed no matter what, the entire fleet, including the civilan fleet, was at earth and are now stuck there. They can't eat the food and will slowly starve. I'm so glad I helped them recover their homeworld just so I could kill them all myself at the end.

Unless, you know, they use what's on those ships to grow more food. And then fly home via the FTL that still works for everyone.


Hasn't it been stated that it's basicly imposible to get around with normal FTL, the amount of fuel needed for one small ship to go a relitivly short distance is a rather huge limitation already.

It's been stated in every game that the Mass Relays are the only reason people can move around anything but their local systems.

This isn't Star Trek, they don't have warp drive.

As for people in a system with a relay being dead, it doesnt have to blow up to kill them, anything but a well set up garden world is going to starve to death. Hell Omega is for sure going to and I don't remember anything but buildings on Illium, so no food for them. See were it's going from here?

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I really thought that Bioware would be the one to dethrone Blizzard. DA:O, ME1 and 2, and games as far back as KOTOR were stuff of legends. That belief was soon reduced to hope because of DA2...and now there's this. ME3 did a terrific job of building up the entire story...and then snuffed it all out in the last five minutes of the game. Same crap that Square did with FF13-2, and it was NOT pleasant. To play through hours and hours of a game, only to be greeted with an obscure, unclear and depressing ending with little to no closure leaves me feeling empty and cheated.

There's a lot Bioware could do. Like patch in a good ending. It's not like they couldn't create a decent ending to the game; the endings for Acts 1 and 2 of the game were spectacular. Why not for the final act? It might be a difficult choice to invest resources to go back and change the ending of an already-released game, but it really would help close out this trilogy on a high note, and would also restore my faith in the company I've been rooting for for years.

Modifié par kalamity116, 09 mars 2012 - 12:32 .


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We'll see. Let's hope for an Omega DLC and an Ending DLC which gives us more diverse consequenses.

I absolutely LOVED the sad ending of my game. But there is the problem; contrary to what the previous games and the bulk of ME 3 made me believe, ultimately the ending was not necessarily my ending, since it simply can't be changed.

I absolutely loved the apocalyptic end and I'm not as pissed as the rest of BSN so it seems, because I applaud BioWare to be brave enough to write such a depressing ending and because they don't give us this Star Wars stuff which would give us the infinite sequel possibility. But in the end I agree with everyone that we should at least be able to see the consequences of our choices in the ending cinematic and that we should have seen the fate of our squadmates, loved ones and of all the races. The lack of these closure moments are an incredibly missed oppertunity indeed. Not even an oppertunity, but an obligation. It feels that a big part of the end is missing and in the end, I simply don't want to go through ME3 again. What was beautiful about these series, and especially about ME3, was the idea that when you screwed things up, you really felt like the situation would be very f'ed up and apocalyptic in the end. It gave you the motivation to achieve things. Now that we know that in the end it really doesn't matter at all how you play the game; I simply don't feel the need to play it all again.

I really hope EA/BioWare will give us a free ending DLC otherwise the need to play future DLC that adds to the beginning and center of the ME3 story will simply not exist for me. The ending undermines any need for replayability

Just one question for anyone who has read the scrip: When it got leaked, BioWare stated that they would change some things in the endings they got bad feedback on. Did BioWare actually improve these leaked script endings or did they do nothing at all?

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Modifié par geertmans, 09 mars 2012 - 12:45 .


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Fair34 wrote...

All I can say at this point is that Shepard did not deserve to go out like that. We players did not deserve an ending like that. The way they ended the series smacks of pretentiousness and arrogance and lazy writing IMHO.


I don't know what your talking about, it takes real talent to destroy hundreds of hours of love and enjoyment in only five mintues.

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Sorry for my English? because i`m from Russia. Now you can learning so many abusive language. Вы блядь совсем охуели!!!! Что это вашу дивизию за концовка??? Вы старзх выродки потеряли!!!! Я не за это столько денег отдал!!!!! Да я вас ненавижу ироды проклятые!!! ТАк трудно норм конец сделать?????? Денег бляди хотите???

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Postman778 wrote...

Phydeaux314 wrote...

From Michael Gamble's (producer for ME3) twitter account: "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll [sic] - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

So, something is coming. We don't know what.

But... I'm willing to have faith. This game, aside from the ending, has probably been the best one I've ever played, up there with titles like Half-Life 2 and Portal 2. This is word that we've not been abandoned, and for me at least, that is all I need.

/salute

We eagerly await more information, and for what it's worth... I sympathize. It must be rough seeing all the people come here and and say "THIS IS SO AMAZING BUT THE ENDING RUINS IT FOR ME" when you know you have plans.


What are they planing? More depressing and soul-destroying endings where i am going to die over and over again? :(
Or just cool new looking amor for my team, which they need on their new homeplanet somewhere nowhere to survive the cruel environment?

Sorry, but I won´t touch ME again neither ME1 nor ME2 and definetly not ME3, until a good, and i mean, a real good ending is confirmed. Bioware you really made me speechless...


Agreed with the above, but would also like to comment off topic that you misspelled Liara in your sig.

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This is somewhat encouraging. Having trouble replaying through ME3(can't even imagine ever going through 1 and 2 again) because it's all too depressing.

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Prince_Valiant wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Just a quick note.

The ME2 Suicide Mission was absoloutely insane. It was unknown, it was worse then war, In war you expect death, in the unknown, thats just it.

Now, taking that into account, in the Suicide Mission, you can survive with no casualities.

I'd just like to point out that in a wartime scenario, it's effective suicide because everyone dies, in some situations, you do too.

/valid point.

It's not war, it's a video game and I don't expect hero's death in a fictional story. I'm playing fictional stories because there can be all fine at end, this is the huge advantage in comparison to real life. ;)


You misunderstand mate. I'm noting the irony on how you can survive the 'Suicide Mission' with no Casualties, but everyones doomed to all hell in the War.

It is a game, and we should be given an option to survive...

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You know, talking about "all the stuff they have coming" when it's 2 days after the release of the game, do you really think it's things they all came up with after we started complaining here? Of course not, it's DLCs that's been in the works for months, probably just random side stories. Look at the iPhone game. It's a completely separate story where you play some other guy somewhere else, and it has no impact on the overall plot.

I'm not holding my breath that we'll get anything more satisfying, just more side content.

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Well, here it goes.

https://twitter.com/...014508940394497

https://twitter.com/...015151449055233

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Zeju wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Just a quick note.

The ME2 Suicide Mission was absoloutely insane. It was unknown, it was worse then war, In war you expect death, in the unknown, thats just it.

Now, taking that into account, in the Suicide Mission, you can survive with no casualities.

I'd just like to point out that in a wartime scenario, it's effective suicide because everyone dies, in some situations, you do too.

/valid point.

It's not war, it's a video game and I don't expect hero's death in a fictional story. I'm playing fictional stories because there can be all fine at end, this is the huge advantage in comparison to real life. ;)


You misunderstand mate. I'm noting the irony on how you can survive the 'Suicide Mission' with no Casualties, but everyones doomed to all hell in the War.

It is a game, and we should be given an option to survive...

Take my apologies, I had English in school, but I was lazy and played always video games instead learning this language, so I did misunderstand you. :o

In this case. you're absolutely right and I feel the same.  The possible outcomes of the suicide mission were great and fits everbody's taste. Why not again in the great finale?

Modifié par Prince_Valiant, 09 mars 2012 - 12:48 .


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geertmans wrote...

We'll see. Let's hope for an Omega DLC and an Ending DLC which gives us more diverse consequenses.

I absolutely LOVED the sad ending of my game. But there is the problem; contrary to what the previous games and the bulk of ME 3 made me believe, ultimately the ending was not necessarily my ending, since it simply can't be changed.

I absolutely loved the apocalyptic end and I'm not as pissed as the rest of BSN so it seems, because I applaud BioWare to be brave enough to write such a depressing ending and because they don't give us this Star Wars stuff which would give us the infinite sequel possibility. But in the end I agree with everyone that we should at least be able to see the consequences of our choices in the ending cinematic and that we should have seen the fate of our squadmates, loved ones and of all the races. The lack of these closure moments are an incredibly missed oppertunity indeed. Not even an oppertunity, but an obligation. It feels that a big part of the end is missing.

Just one question for anyone who has read the scrip: When it got leaked, BioWare stated that they would change some things in the endings they got bad feedback on. Did BioWare actually improve these leaked script endings or did they do nothing at all?


Defeating the Reapers, keeping the infrastructure and surving is not a star wars ending. Nearly the whole Galaxy with all homeworlds were utterly destroyed. A lot of good friends died. Now with all species united, having the reapers destroyed the next task will be to rebuild the worlds.
If peace remain is another question, but that would be a topic for upcoming me games.
But with destroying the relays there is no chance for space traveling long distances. How long will it take for the Quarians to travel back to their homeworld. Thousands of years.
Depending on the ending you choose the technology we rely on will be destroyed. That could even mean, the ftl - drives aren´t working anymore. Welcome on earth quarians and Turians. Welcome to starve here and never leave your suites quarians, you might be killed by a cold.
The remaing krogans can have there on isle. But don´t accrete too fast, earth has not so much space.

Sorry, but the endings should answer all questions. They are not answering but giving new questions.

Bioware got my money and they took my soul. Won´t buy dlc content.

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Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Well, here it goes.

https://twitter.com/...014508940394497

https://twitter.com/...015151449055233



I can't tell if he is completly missing the point of I'm just reading it wrong.

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Cody211282 wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Well, here it goes.

https://twitter.com/...014508940394497

https://twitter.com/...015151449055233



I can't tell if he is completly missing the point of I'm just reading it wrong.



His job includes the ability to act stupid, I wouldn't react too much towards any twitter of any kind.

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You want them to listen? Tweet to @GambleMike the Mass Effect producer and tell them how we feel. That's the only way to make them wake up, because apparently they have no clue how upset we are.

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Keep in mind that it's easy to misunderstand people on twitter, and that the replies were made between midnight and 1AM in the producer's time zone.

I'll wait. But not forever.

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Prince_Valiant wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Zeju wrote...

Just a quick note.

The ME2 Suicide Mission was absoloutely insane. It was unknown, it was worse then war, In war you expect death, in the unknown, thats just it.

Now, taking that into account, in the Suicide Mission, you can survive with no casualities.

I'd just like to point out that in a wartime scenario, it's effective suicide because everyone dies, in some situations, you do too.

/valid point.

It's not war, it's a video game and I don't expect hero's death in a fictional story. I'm playing fictional stories because there can be all fine at end, this is the huge advantage in comparison to real life. ;)


You misunderstand mate. I'm noting the irony on how you can survive the 'Suicide Mission' with no Casualties, but everyones doomed to all hell in the War.

It is a game, and we should be given an option to survive...

Take my apologies, I had English in school, but I was lazy and played always video games instead learning this language, so I did misunderstand you. :o

In this case. you're absolutely right and I feel the same.  The possible outcomes of the suicide mission were great and fits everbody's taste. Why not again in the great finale?


Apology accepted, & I agree. :)

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Gamble is clearly trolling the fanbase...

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Denethar wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Well, here it goes.

https://twitter.com/...014508940394497

https://twitter.com/...015151449055233



I can't tell if he is completly missing the point of I'm just reading it wrong.



His job includes the ability to act stupid, I wouldn't react too much towards any twitter of any kind.


Maybe it's justbecause how fresh it still is, but the first thing we hear regaurding a fubar as big as the endings in game shouldn't be someone high up trolling people about it.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Aaaaaand here comes the $10 DLC for the "real" ending.

Sad part is....I'll buy it...


Almost anything would be better than the shameless Matrix Revolutions/Deus Ex clone.

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He hasnt said anything about a DLC has he?