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[Cody211282]

Someone With Mass wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Aaaaaand here comes the $10 DLC for the "real" ending.

Sad part is....I'll buy it...

Almost anything would be better than the shameless Matrix Revolutions/Deus Ex clone.

Don't forget the parts taken from Battlestar Galactica.

The endings are a cornucopia of ideas taken from other endings people also hated, how was this ever a good idea?

[SonicAF]

Xellith wrote...

He hasnt said anything about a DLC has he?

He has. Something like "what DLC are you talking about?" and "Is there really anything bad with that ending?" 

Modifié par SonicAF, 09 mars 2012 - 01:14 .

[SonicAF]

failpost.

Modifié par SonicAF, 09 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Quiron-br]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Aaaaaand here comes the $10 DLC for the "real" ending.

Sad part is....I'll buy it...

More sad is to ask money to correct those **** endings. It must be free in a signal of respect for the fans, but everyone here knows bioware... 

[Cody211282]

Quiron-br wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Aaaaaand here comes the $10 DLC for the "real" ending.

Sad part is....I'll buy it...

More sad is to ask money to correct those **** endings. It must be free in a signal of respect for the fans, but everyone here knows bioware... 

Ya it's not going to be free, and I don't think they are going to fix the endings. Remember this is a "complete game out of the box."

[Promchek]

after so many ears, after countless hours of work, in the end, Shepard had to drag herself or himself to one of 2 unsutisfieing choices and just die there. Stranding all his allies in the far away corner of the galaxy, making sure none of them (except perhaps Asari and Krogan) will ever see their homeworlds again.
It was a powerfull ending, no doubt there, but it was also depresing one. All those people, yes they felt all like real people, whose hopes you've shared, they all lost, salvation through destruction... indeed. The whole game is depressing, friends are dieng one after another, Shepard drags herself/himslef from one piraeus victory to another and the light at the and of tunel turns out to be a train.

[realpokerjedi]

Part of me thinks, if the critics didn't praise the game so passionately, we'd have a easier fight on our hands.
Personally I don't think they will change the endings.
I think they have some idiotic idea cooked up in their minds, that tie into a DLC.
That somehow they feel it will justify the ending options that were horrible to fans.
More than likely I think people will just talk about how this was a troll by bioware for years to come.

Modifié par realpokerjedi, 09 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[GreenSoda]

realpokerjedi wrote...

Part of me thinks, if the critics didn't praise the game so passionately, we'd have a easier fight on our hands.
Personally I don't think they will change the endings.
I think they have some idiotic idea cooked up in their minds, that tie into a DLC.
That somehow justifies the ending options that were horrible.
In fact I think it would make matters worse.

That's what I'm thinking. The upcoming DLC will probably explain the endings "better", but I doubt they seriously will improve them in any way.

[SonicAF]

GreenSoda wrote...
That's what I'm thinking. The upcoming DLC will probably explain the endings "better", but I doubt they seriously will improve them in any way.

Not going to work. We need additional or remade endings. Not explained.

[nitefyre410]

SonicAF wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...
That's what I'm thinking. The upcoming DLC will probably explain the endings "better", but I doubt they seriously will improve them in any way.

Not going to work. We need additional or remade endings. Not explained.

 

Explain they need retcon because the endings are narrative mess and let us do them over.    A show down with Harbinger and then confrotion with kid about getting that far.  Then 3 choices that have 3 distinct possibilites  based of what you did... with a better explaination and basis for each. Control, Snergy and Destory.   They to add more about the Brats base for first solution and how its dispproven by  end.   Endings were the relays don't go boom and endings that they do. End Shepards story don't hit the Galactic reset button and trying to pull a really bad Kill'em all and play with philosophical concempts that its obisivous the writers barely freaking understand themselves... because it just makes  this whole thing look...dumb.     

[Goodwood]

movieguyabw wrote...

Haven't finished yet. However I just read up on the different endings.

I don't think I'm going to finish the game, unless Bioware patches in a handful of new, and better endings.

Doesn't have to be "Me and my Love Interest on a beach, with a family and a dog" sort of happy. I would really love a Return of the Jedi "We just killed the Reapers!" celebration sort of ending. Actually, I think that'd be the best possible ending for the game, personally.

The fact is, none of these endings enforce the concept of a "hopeful future in peril" which Casey Hudson stated the series was meant to portray. But there's nothing hopeful about any of those endings.

And destroying the Normandy is like destroying the Millenium Falcon. :

This.

This this this this this this one billion and one times this.

Cripes A'Mighty BioWare, Goodwood feels as though you've shot down Goerge Preddy on Christmas Day!

He understands that it is possible to survive (in one of them), but seriously? Not even an after-game sandbox mode?

[fluffyburrito]

I think most reviewers are ignoring the ending. Most of them toss around the phrase that it's a fitting "ending to the franchise" but I think they're more referring to the game as a whole. And, despite how angry some of us are, it truly is a good game until the last 5 minutes. Probably my favorite ME even.

But... those last five minutes are pretty bad. I was ready to agree on all those 9/10 ratings until then. I'd probably give it a 7/10 now because of the ending.

[ChristianTh]

Cody211282 wrote...

Quiron-br wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Aaaaaand here comes the $10 DLC for the "real" ending.

Sad part is....I'll buy it...

More sad is to ask money to correct those **** endings. It must be free in a signal of respect for the fans, but everyone here knows bioware... 

Ya it's not going to be free, and I don't think they are going to fix the endings. Remember this is a "complete game out of the box."

This is one of the funiest things I read the last days. Look at the "prima guide" for ME2. The "tank-DLC" was in that guide but the tank was not in the game.
You realy used complete and game in any connection with a company part of EA. You made my day...

[RiderPale]

While I can *fully* relate with nearly all the points made in this thread (and the others dealing with the ending issue), allow me to point out a few things to consider...

First of all, expecting some definite statement whether BW plans to change/explain/add endings from any dev or other person involved is pretty pointless. In that the decission about it has to be made on a level above the paygrade of any single BW employee, even Casey Hudson or Chris Priestly.
I guess it is clear to them by now that a considerable part of the players/customers is... uh, unsatisfied with the available endings, but give them some time for this, ok?

Second: language, people. Language. While I can understand people getting livid about the matter (I'm too, don't misunderstand me here), verbally abusing BW the company, the devs and everybody else involved in creating ME3 and their mothers is not likely to get the desired result (like better endings...).
Think about it that way: these people gave their utter best (yes, I do believe that) to create the game for a considerable time now. They are rightfully proud about what they achieved, but maybe just a wee bit overworked - surely making ME3 took its toll on them (think endless hours of work as the deadline is approaching). Now put yourself in their shoes and imagine some people walk up to you and snarl about how much you suck mixed with other expletives... Don't know about you, but my first reaction would probably be something like "Yeah? Well, f*** you too, buddy!"
So, give them some time to recharge their collective batteries, maybe with some extended sleep cycles for a change, and then, after a few days, expect some tangible answer. Just saying.

Third: come on, stop being that negative about the announced DLCs. Unless some of you are clairvoyant that is nothing but paranoid trolling. See my second point for the likely outcome.

Ok. Anybody who feels like it is now free to bash me over my virtual head for trying to be a little optimistic and level-headed.

[Mathias]

Exactly what kind of credibility does Michael Gamble have at this point? Based on his quotes, he's already said plenty of things that weren't true for ME3. Why should we believe they're working on anything that we the fans would consider amazing?

[Goodwood]

fluffyburrito wrote...

I think most reviewers are ignoring the ending. Most of them toss around the phrase that it's a fitting "ending to the franchise" but I think they're more referring to the game as a whole. And, despite how angry some of us are, it truly is a good game until the last 5 minutes. Probably my favorite ME even.

But... those last five minutes are pretty bad. I was ready to agree on all those 9/10 ratings until then. I'd probably give it a 7/10 now because of the ending.

Goodwood also agrees.

He has come to these forums after so long specifically to show his willingtness to beg, to cajole, to do whatever it takes to get something, anything, from the devs insofar as a better, or at least more cogent, ending! As for why reviewers are ignoring the endings, it's because they don't want to be flagged for spoilers.

With this in mind, Goodwood has no problem with the Heroic Sacrifice trope; he did it in DA:O and would readily do so in ME3, but only if it actually means something! (He actually doesn't mind the ending of DA:2) No matter what ending is chosen, it all comes down to a piddly little cutscene that is, simply put, a slap in the face (in his opinion) to devotees of the series.

C'mon BioWare, help Goodwood to love you again!

Modifié par Goodwood, 09 mars 2012 - 02:18 .

[Goodwood]

RiderPale wrote...

While I can *fully* relate with nearly all the points made in this thread (and the others dealing with the ending issue), allow me to point out a few things to consider...

First of all, expecting some definite statement whether BW plans to change/explain/add endings from any dev or other person involved is pretty pointless. In that the decission about it has to be made on a level above the paygrade of any single BW employee, even Casey Hudson or Chris Priestly.
I guess it is clear to them by now that a considerable part of the players/customers is... uh, unsatisfied with the available endings, but give them some time for this, ok?

Second: language, people. Language. While I can understand people getting livid about the matter (I'm too, don't misunderstand me here), verbally abusing BW the company, the devs and everybody else involved in creating ME3 and their mothers is not likely to get the desired result (like better endings...).
Think about it that way: these people gave their utter best (yes, I do believe that) to create the game for a considerable time now. They are rightfully proud about what they achieved, but maybe just a wee bit overworked - surely making ME3 took its toll on them (think endless hours of work as the deadline is approaching). Now put yourself in their shoes and imagine some people walk up to you and snarl about how much you suck mixed with other expletives... Don't know about you, but my first reaction would probably be something like "Yeah? Well, f*** you too, buddy!"
So, give them some time to recharge their collective batteries, maybe with some extended sleep cycles for a change, and then, after a few days, expect some tangible answer. Just saying.

Third: come on, stop being that negative about the announced DLCs. Unless some of you are clairvoyant that is nothing but paranoid trolling. See my second point for the likely outcome.

Ok. Anybody who feels like it is now free to bash me over my virtual head for trying to be a little optimistic and level-headed.

Goodwood realizes that the devs probably worked their collective arses off, and he appreciates it; the game was absolutely first-rate from beginning to just before the Return to the Citadel particle-beam teleportation bit. But in all fairness, they've not been under the gun for some time now (the game has probably been in EA's hands for at least two months). If they've been doing any serious work lately, it's on these alleged DLCs (Goodwood hasn't read this entire thread or much of the rest of the forum yet).

[lasertank]

Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood realizes that the devs probably worked their collective arses off, and he appreciates it; the game was absolutely first-rate from beginning to just before the Return to the Citadel particle-beam teleportation bit.

No. The plot sucks already before the return to the Citadel. The battle between the reaper fleet and the allied fleet is neither thrilling nor moving. It is not as satisfying as those space battles in ME1 & 2. Not even close. The skirmish on earth is also boring. It is nothing different from those missions in earlier stage. From the very beginning till the end I always fight with TWO of my squadmates. Where the heck are all other people? It's a war and I still fight along? I don't think it makes any sense. Adding or changing options in the last scene does not save ME3 unless flaws above can be fixed.

[RiderPale]

I didn't intend to single out anyone, sorry if I made that impression. It was a general observation.
And just because the game went golden a few weeks ago doesn't mean a lot of other stuff has to be done by the project leads. So, I stand by my point that we should give them some time to think about how to react to this whole sh*tstorm and hope for the best, not expect the worst.

[Sundance31us]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

From Michael Gamble's (producer for ME3) twitter account: "Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll [sic] - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

So, something is coming. We don't know what.

But... I'm willing to have faith. This game, aside from the ending, has probably been the best one I've ever played, up there with titles like Half-Life 2 and Portal 2. This is word that we've not been abandoned, and for me at least, that is all I need.

/salute

We eagerly await more information, and for what it's worth... I sympathize. It must be rough seeing all the people come here and and say "THIS IS SO AMAZING BUT THE ENDING RUINS IT FOR ME" when you know you have plans.

When I first saw the ending I had a "What the frell." moment as the flashbacks of Matrix Revolutions and Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) were going through my head.

Then I sat back and considered everything (ME, ME2, ME3 pre-Catalyst meeting, the trailers, the comic books, DLCs, BSN, etc.) up to that point I realized there was something more going on. I still have faith and it's going to take more than the current ending for Bioware to lose both my faith and loyalty.

With that I'm sure I'll be called names and the haters will hate, but this is my opinion and the only things that can change it are the actions of Bioware over the next year.

[DS_Abe]

lasertank wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood realizes that the devs probably worked their collective arses off, and he appreciates it; the game was absolutely first-rate from beginning to just before the Return to the Citadel particle-beam teleportation bit.

No. The plot sucks already before the return to the Citadel. The battle between the reaper fleet and the allied fleet is neither thrilling nor moving. It is not as satisfying as those space battles in ME1 & 2. Not even close. The skirmish on earth is also boring. It is nothing different from those missions in earlier stage. From the very beginning till the end I always fight with TWO of my squadmates. Where the heck are all other people? It's a war and I still fight along? I don't think it makes any sense. Adding or changing options in the last scene does not save ME3 unless flaws above can be fixed.

This was my annoyance with the last mission.

ME1 had the "RUSH RUSH GOGOGO FASTER" feeling, and it made sense for you to just run into the Relay with whatever dudes you have.

ME2 you had many, many moments where you thought "Okay, Tali goes here, Legion goes there, Garrus holds this area, and I'll have this guy to escort the kidnapees". It felt as if every person did something and was necessary for survival of the entire team.

In ME3 you have basically 2 guys that will die when Harbinger comes to say hi... And that's it. You are all alone. Your team doesn't matter. Where's Wrex's support? Grunt? Quarian/Turians to help, Geth? I don't think Bioware even prepared an ending where Shepard gained every single sentient species in the galaxy to help him and he won thanks to cooperation. Nope.

[fluffyburrito]

lasertank wrote...

Goodwood wrote...

Goodwood realizes that the devs probably worked their collective arses off, and he appreciates it; the game was absolutely first-rate from beginning to just before the Return to the Citadel particle-beam teleportation bit.

No. The plot sucks already before the return to the Citadel. The battle between the reaper fleet and the allied fleet is neither thrilling nor moving. It is not as satisfying as those space battles in ME1 & 2. Not even close. The skirmish on earth is also boring. It is nothing different from those missions in earlier stage. From the very beginning till the end I always fight with TWO of my squadmates. Where the heck are all other people? It's a war and I still fight along? I don't think it makes any sense. Adding or changing options in the last scene does not save ME3 unless flaws above can be fixed.

I think Joker picking up everyone could be solved with a new ending, but I thought the London skirmish was ok.  The last speech and long walk before it shows the other species, although I did miss out on not seeing the Turian/Quarian fleets in action.

I don't mind them missing as much as the ending is missing though.

[ratzerman]

The only way we'd get new endings is if the press really bashed the hell out of them. But every review is glowing. They've got their metacritc score, and they've got our money. They don't need to do anything else for us.

Gamble's tweet was just another meaningless tease.

[DraCZeQQ]

DS_Abe wrote...

In ME3 you have basically 2 guys that will die when Harbinger comes to say hi... 

Actually after Harbinger came to say hi, EDI and Liara (my 2 guys in Earth mission) decided that helping Sheppard or continuing their mission is too mainstream and went back to Normandy and flew away... I mean this is a solid Bioware writing here!