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[Ishiken]

TheCreeper wrote...

I imagine an new ending DLC is going to come out eventually considering how strong the reactions to the Ends have been.

If the new ending is a DLC that cost anything more than a dollar, then the Bioware and EA PR team better start working overtime. Certain players will pay for the DLC while others will feel like they just got f***** twice since a happy ending should have already been included in the game.

If I was an executive in EA, then I would have been extremely unhappy with the Mass Effect team right now especially from a business standpoint. They basically caused a major backlash against a very profitable gaming universe that could have the potential to spin off several games including a potential MMO. The devs were too blind to see beyond their "artistic vision", since the Mass Effect series isn't art. It's a game produced with intention for mass consumption. A happy ending should have been included in the game purely since there will always be at least 15-25% of the player base that wants a "fairy tale" ending.

[Seanabhainn]

Aesieru wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9675261&lf=8

BioWare loves this game. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

They won't change it.

A marketing manager would say that regardless, I think. Just for the sake of marketing. I hardly think it should matter if a seller is satisfied with their own project, while the buyers wallow in disappointment. This makes me sad.

[Ishiken]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Eumerin wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

First, list off on how this game is terribly written and incoherent. If I remember correctly, and many others on here would agree, there were actually critical choices made throughout the game and I found the dialogue to be very smooth and well written.

Critical choices that have nothing whatsoever to do with the ending of the game.  Saved the Krogans?  Won't matter when you reach the Catalyst.  Wiped out the Quarrians?  Once again, it won't matter when you reach the Catalyst.  DA2 at least made it obvious that you were being funnelled into a specific ending.  ME3 pretends that your choices will matter in the endgame or perhaps an epilogue, but then forces you into one of three pretty much identical endings.  And there's no epilogue.

And then you've got the massive Normandy plothole at the very end.  What was it doing in the Relay network, and why were your squad members onboard when they'd been on Earth just a short while earlier?

Look after the event with the Catalyst happens.

Though disconnected, the Krogan will not die out on Tuchanka if you cure the genophage. Though disconnected, the Quarians can still rebuild on Rannoch if you choose to do so. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean that they are not surviving and rebuilding.

What is so hard to imagine what could happen after a colossal war is finished? Every civilization on every planet, even the multi-armies on Earth, are now going to salvage and rebuild and go back to the stars. 

Because according to the Arrival DLC, if a Mass Relay is destroyed then the resulting explosion would wipe out a star system. Thessia, Tuchanka, Sur'Kesh and most of the major planets for the major species are located in the star system with a mass relay right in it. So basically you wiped out a majority of the civilization in the galaxy. Let's not compare the inconsistencies between the Control and Destroy Ending for the game.

[Ishiken]

Seanabhainn wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9675261&lf=8

BioWare loves this game. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

They won't change it.

A marketing manager would say that regardless, I think. Just for the sake of marketing. I hardly think it should matter if a seller is satisfied with their own project, while the buyers wallow in disappointment. This makes me sad.

I agree with Bioware when they say that the Devs for the Combat system and balancing between weapons and powers and the pace of combat was much better than the prevous two games, however the ending was a lot worse and the ending is what leaves a lasting impression on the player. The whole story was okay to good until the end.

[People4Peace]

jellobell wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

believe it or not not every mass effect fan moans like a child about the endings

Well the backlash is pretty universal.

Exactly.

Just because a lot of the fans don't like the ending it doesn't mean they are moaning like children. You can't generalize a whole group of fans especially since many of us have supported Bioware throughout the years. Personally I have given Bioware lots of money so I certainly think I have the right to express my disappointment. Anyone that has bought the game has the right to do so.

[KRAETZNER]

Thalorin1919 wrote...

Eumerin wrote...

Thalorin1919 wrote...

First, list off on how this game is terribly written and incoherent. If I remember correctly, and many others on here would agree, there were actually critical choices made throughout the game and I found the dialogue to be very smooth and well written.

Critical choices that have nothing whatsoever to do with the ending of the game.  Saved the Krogans?  Won't matter when you reach the Catalyst.  Wiped out the Quarrians?  Once again, it won't matter when you reach the Catalyst.  DA2 at least made it obvious that you were being funnelled into a specific ending.  ME3 pretends that your choices will matter in the endgame or perhaps an epilogue, but then forces you into one of three pretty much identical endings.  And there's no epilogue.

And then you've got the massive Normandy plothole at the very end.  What was it doing in the Relay network, and why were your squad members onboard when they'd been on Earth just a short while earlier?

Look after the event with the Catalyst happens.

Though disconnected, the Krogan will not die out on Tuchanka if you cure the genophage. Though disconnected, the Quarians can still rebuild on Rannoch if you choose to do so. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean that they are not surviving and rebuilding.

What is so hard to imagine what could happen after a colossal war is finished? Every civilization on every planet, even the multi-armies on Earth, are now going to salvage and rebuild and go back to the stars. 

Confidence born of ignorance. The mass relays are destroyed. The majority of all the surviving species are trapped in the Sol system. All dextro based life will starve. No more traveling across the galaxy. The destroy ending will also destroy all mass effect engines aboard starships, and every single weapon in the galaxy. At best the races are isolated, stranded, and completely defenseless. Most likely however the remains of the Citadel and all the ships crashing into earth will create a new ice age. Those not dead will be so very soon. It will take centuries maybe more in perfect conditions to rebuild the relays, and that simply will not happen in this reality.

Now it seems you are the one hoping where there is no hope. The difference between you, and the rest of the community is that you are in denial. We acknowledge that there should at the very least be more options. Perferablly ones where the galaxy isn't for the most part eradicated. The reapers are nothing more than advanced living warships. They are a great threat, but not immortal. There could of been many alternatives other than the illogical endings we were given. For instance why not tell the Ai kid to take his pet reapers and find a new galaxy to ruin with flawed logic.

[Archer]

[/quote]Eumerin wrote...


They wouldn't have died out if you didn't cure the Genophage, either.  Mordin was quite explicit that the Genophage was designed to keep Krogan population levels stable, and that the Krogan were becoming resistant to the Genophage over time.  But we need more.  Do Wrex and his new mate manage to get the Krogans to curb their lust for battle?  Or are the Krogans going to remain much as they are?  And the Quarrians - do they manage to co-exist with the Geth on Rannoch?  Or do problems quickly rise up, as hinted at as a possibility in some conversations late in the game?

[/quote]

Spot on example. They specificaly said we would have closure on this game. We dont.

Said it several posts i love the game i just cant wrap my head around the thinking of the last ten minutes.

I dont belive they are listening at present and i think thats partly down to some of the posts/tweets etc going out from the player base. Yes a lot of us are angry but lets keep it civil, lets make our concerns, points etc constructive and bear in mind some people (i am not one of them!) like the endings

[panamakira]

Here are some more updated tweets from him in regards to OP mentioned tweet:

Michael Gamble
@theaocolo youre entirely entitled to say what you feel. and im listening.

@galley_winter so you mean there wasn't a happy ending. You mean that there wasn't enough variety in the endings in terms of large outcome

@femshep_com yes, but i never said anything abou DLC, let alone a love interest one...

Modifié par panamakira, 09 mars 2012 - 11:06 .

[Sajuro]

Are people inventing things for the endings just so they can have more to complain about? I never heard anything to imply that Mass Effect technologies other than the Relays would be destroyed, and the Catalyst clearing turned all of the energy in the relays into the Synthetic destroying or Reaper controlling or merging shockwave kind of energy instead of the kill everything energy.
Seriously, if you are going to complain about the endings, stick to the endings and stop making up things to be butt hurt about.

[KRAETZNER]

It destroys reaper technology. What the hell do you think Mass Effect technology is? Heres a hint... the protheans didn't make it.

[Sajuro]

KRAETZNER wrote...

It destroys reaper technology. What the hell do you think Mass Effect technology is? Heres a hint... the protheans didn't make it.

Guns are reaper technology?
From what I understood it simply destroyed Reapers and Synthetic life along with AIs, even it did destroy Mass Effect Technology, people could always rebuild it based on our understanding and we did have to understand some of it to even reverse engineer Mass Effect cores and improve upon them and besides, the concept of Mass Effect wouldn't be destroyed much less Element Zero, unless... the reapers crapped out element zero every cycle

[Taleroth]

KRAETZNER wrote...

It destroys reaper technology. What the hell do you think Mass Effect technology is? Heres a hint... the protheans didn't make it.

It doesn't destroy Reaper technology. It destroys synthetics.

But how does it distinguish between a synthetic and any other machine? Because space magic.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 mars 2012 - 11:17 .

[Cosmar]

Whatever Michael was talking about I'm 99% sure it has nothing to do with the ending.

Probably just some forgettable DLC missions.

[KRAETZNER]

My God man read the codex. What do you think powers these "guns"? gunpowder perhaps? Have you seen anyone build a relay? The protheans managed to make one incomplete smallscale version right before they died, after hundreds of years of trying. With no transportation, no communication, no weapons, no one will be able to rebuild anything other than huts, for atleast a thousand years. Every piece of society relies on Mass Effect technology. That was the reapers intentions. So in a way the reapers win no matter what.

[Seanabhainn]

Taleroth wrote...

KRAETZNER wrote...

It destroys reaper technology. What the hell do you think Mass Effect technology is? Heres a hint... the protheans didn't make it.

It doesn't destroy Reaper technology. It destroys synthetics.

But how does it distinguish between a synthetic and any other machine? Because space magic.

^  Because space magic.

[jellobell]

People4Peace wrote...

Personally I have given Bioware lots of money so I certainly think I have the right to express my disappointment. Anyone that has bought the game has the right to do so.

This. People complain when a movie or a book has a nonsensical ending. The main difference here is that Bioware actually has the ability to fix this. You can't patch a book (though BW seems to be trying with Deception) but they could add DLC based on fan complaints. So letting the devs know that we didn't care for the endings is actually constructive.

[Kastrenzo]

They won't change the ending in a patch, they could add onto it with a DLC though, A'la broken steel.

I wouldn't expect it to have any exploration or anything, but it's not that hard to change or make cinematics. the most they'd need really production wise is audio work, I imagine they already have everything they need.


If you ask me though, something like that couldn't be sold, it's deliberatly milking the customer franchise. New War asset missions, new MP maps, new weapons and armor, yes, those are fine to sell, but something as big as this, there's no excuse, I think people are just finally starting to get over the whole Prothean fiasco

[Sajuro]

KRAETZNER wrote...

My God man read the codex. What do you think powers these "guns"? gunpowder perhaps? Have you seen anyone build a relay? The protheans managed to make one incomplete smallscale version right before they died, after hundreds of years of trying. With no transportation, no communication, no weapons, no one will be able to rebuild anything other than huts, for atleast a thousand years. Every piece of society relies on Mass Effect technology. That was the reapers intentions. So in a way the reapers win no matter what.

Welp, first we achieve space flight again, and then we start playing with ways to use Element Zero since we do still have the knowledge of the Mass Effect drives (if they are even destroyed) also if it destroyed the guns, I don't think that that soldiers would be lifting their guns in victory after the destroy ending and I know there was probably some celebrational firing of guns. Also it doesn't matter if it takes us hundreds of years to rebuild Mass Relays or even if we can, we can find a better way to do it now that won't leave us trapped if someone decides to shut down the relays. Also, I did not know that modern buildings were the result of Mass Effect technology, is my dorm only possible because of Reaper tech?

[KRAETZNER]

I have lost my patience in explaining this. Someone who has more, feel free to do so. I'm sorry, the transition between space science and space magic has been difficult for me. I should go.

[Sundance31us]

For reference purposes: (I apologize if there are any typos.)

Child: Why are you here?
Shepard: What? Where am I?
Child: The Citadel, it's my home.
Shepard: Who are you?
Child: I am the Catalyst.
Shepard: Thought the Citadel was the Catalyst.
Child: No. The citadel is part of me.
Shepard: I need to stop the Reapers. Do you know how I can do that?
Child: The Reapers are mine. I control them. They are my solution.
Shepard: Solution? To what?
Child: Chaos. You bring it on yourselves. The created will always rebel against their creators. But we found a way to stop that from happening. A way to restore order for the next cycle.
Shepard: By wiping out organic life?
Child: No. We harvest advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone. Just as we left your people alive the last time we were here.
Shepard: But you killed the rest...
Child: We helped them ascend so they could make a way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form.
Shepard: I think we'd rather keep our own form.
Child: No, you can't...without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We've created this cycle so taht never happens. That's the solution.
Shepard: <Dialogue Wheel>
Upper - You'll never understand.
Lower - We don't want to be preserved. <---
The defining characteristic of organic life is that we think for ourselves...make our own choices. You take that away and we might as well be machines just like you.
Child: You have choice. More than you deserve. The fact that you are standing here, the first organic ever, proves it. But it also proves my solution won't work anymore.
Shepard: So now what?
Child: That depends on you.
Shepard: What do you mean?
Child: The Crucible changed me. Created new...possibilities. But I can't make them happen. And I won't.
Shepard: Make what happen?
Child: What you came here to do. You want to destroy us. <visual of Anderson destroying the Catalyst> You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want. Including the Geth. Even you are partly synthetic...
Shepard: But the Reapers will be destroyed?
Child: Yes, but the peace won't last. Soon, your children will create synthetics, and then the chaos will come back.
Shepard: Maybe...
Child: Or do you think you can control us? <visual of TIM at terminal>
Shepard: Huh so...the Illusive Man was right after all.
Child: Yes, but he could never have taken control...because we already controlled him.
Shepard: But I can...
Child: You will die. You will control us, but you will lose everything you have.
Shepard: But the Reapers will obey me?
Child: Yes. Releasing the energy of the Crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays. The paths are open. But you have to choose.

ref:

[jellobell]

Kastrenzo wrote...

They won't change the ending in a patch, they could add onto it with a DLC though, A'la broken steel.

I wouldn't expect it to have any exploration or anything, but it's not that hard to change or make cinematics. the most they'd need really production wise is audio work, I imagine they already have everything they need.


If you ask me though, something like that couldn't be sold, it's deliberatly milking the customer franchise. New War asset missions, new MP maps, new weapons and armor, yes, those are fine to sell, but something as big as this, there's no excuse, I think people are just finally starting to get over the whole Prothean fiasco

Yeah, they'll have to add something substantial alongside the new endings in order to justify charging money for it. Perhaps an expanded final mission?

[Zulmoka531]

Sundance31us wrote...

For reference purposes: (I apologize if there are any typos.)[b]

<snip for quoting purposes>

ref:

Funny thing about preserving the species in Reaper form? They stated in ME2 they couldn't do that with the Protheans for whatever reason. So much for that race being preserved in Reaper form eh?

God the more I think about that little **** the more aggrevated I get.

Just so I'm not talking out of my ass:
Jump to about 1:20

Modifié par Zulmoka531, 09 mars 2012 - 11:40 .

[comrade gando]

what would be neat is after the ending (the real ending not this spectacle of ****), you only have one mission in your journal "retire". you fly to the destination (in my case would be rannoch) and then get treated to a satisfying ending. now that's more like it.

[dkear1]

Sajuro wrote...
Welp, first we achieve space flight again, and then we start playing with ways to use Element Zero since we do still have the knowledge of the Mass Effect drives (if they are even destroyed) also if it destroyed the guns, I don't think that that soldiers would be lifting their guns in victory after the destroy ending and I know there was probably some celebrational firing of guns. Also it doesn't matter if it takes us hundreds of years to rebuild Mass Relays or even if we can, we can find a better way to do it now that won't leave us trapped if someone decides to shut down the relays. Also, I did not know that modern buildings were the result of Mass Effect technology, is my dorm only possible because of Reaper tech?

Unless your dorm was in the sticks it ain't there.  The Reaper destroyed almost all of the major cities of earth.  I imagine that much of the contruction equipment that would have been used to repair Earth would have been powered by mass effect technology so what do they do then?  Go back to gas engines?  Is there even any gas left? 

Besides if you watch that horribly crappy old fart/kid scene after the credits it is clear that space travel is more of a fairy tale than something people are working towards.

No the whole world would basically be back to a post WW2 Europe state of ruins combined with black death scale (or worse) depopulation.  Not to mention that most centers of higher education/science/research are gone along with the brillant minds that worked there.  Your talking about starting starting over on a planetary scale from like the 18 century or so.

Modifié par dkear1, 09 mars 2012 - 11:42 .