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[eldiabs]

 This is the only issue related to a game I have ever been upset about, so I would not consider myself a part of the 'vocal minority' others sometimes label those who complain, if for valid reasons or not. I'm usually part of the quiet majority that just shrugs it off and moves on.

However, I simply can not understand why they made such an epic trilogy with what seemed to involve galactic spanning 'civilization's future in your hands' decisions, only to have it all blow up in your face (literally) in the last five minutes of the game because of a pointless ai boy apparition tired of his toys. Regardless of your choices, it's all going to end, with no real conclusion based upon the choices you made over the course of 3 long games.

It would be like reading the lord of the rings trilogy and instead of the detailed and well thought out ending tolkein created, we get the volcano blowing up just after frodo looses his finger. How well remembered would those books be had that happened?

I totally enjoyed this series up until the end, and it has practically ruined the experience for me. There is no replay value here for me anymore. Had I not witnessed those last few moments, I'd probably be on my next playthrough instead of typing this. Who at Bioware thought this ending would be a good idea? Unless it was their intent to get people to not buy any future DLC or games from them. Because if they release some alternate ending/s as dlc I have to pay money for, I'll save my cash for gas to go watch a nice sunset on the mountain.

Total let down. 

Modifié par eldiabs, 10 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Metal warlock]

great were going to have to pay for a good ending or are you just going to leave everyone dangling off a cliff and we have to pay for it. after all 3 games this is what we get.

[wook77]

recentio wrote...



They're not listening. They think we don't count.

For the record, I don't hate ME at all -- I love it. I only hate the ending bit with that idiot kid robot and the inexplicable doom of the Normandy.

I will say that Jessica Merizan had a very nice discussion with me when I logged my issue with the ending meaning that everything was all for naught. So IDK about "not listening". In fact, it sounds like they're hearing a lot of us, even if the @masseffect is desperately trying to pretend that everyone is just ever so happy with the endings. They're very much aware and, at this point, they're probably trying to figure out HOW to respond in the best way possible.

Perhaps, like they did with the problems with the book, if we calmly sum up the issues in one general Google Doc so that people can see it laid out in a calm, rational, succinct manner, we could help affect and effect change. The boards are great, don't get me wrong, but I think that if we just show why we have issues with the characterization, the plot choices (and lack thereof), etc, that we would get a good response from the media, just like the failtastic book.

That would also give Bioware enough time to come up with the possible responses. Of course, I'm cheering for new endings and them spending the weekend calling the various voice actors back so as to arrange more recordings. I'm willing to be patient if there would just be some sort of response some time soon, even if that response is an official "We've heard what you have to say and we're talking about it now. Please bear with us" - I think that would go a long way towards cooling the fan ire.
Just my two cents.

[Annaleah]

www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3

^^ This!

[Harbinger of Hope]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I take it that means there will be story DLC. I was wondering if they were going to make some. No new endings though. While I have no problem with them, I actually like the endings, seeing BioWare cave and change their story just because of a few comments would really make me lose a little respect for them. Not a lot, but a little.

Oh you mean the 4000+ People who are pissed because they've had 90+ hours of there lives pissed down the toilet? At the very least a hundred dollars spanning 3 games gone? Sometimes more for the loyal fans who bought EVERY piece of DLC and EVERY collectors edition they spewed out? You mean these people!?!?

I would have way more "respect" for them if they actually listened to the fans for once instead of their Reaper EA overlords. I swear ever since the Reaper EA folks Indoctrinated acquired BioWare, they're competence has gone down dramatically. And if they do release the ending we want and they charge for it? Well, that would be like the ultimate FU to the fans. "Oh, you hate are poorly made, horrible, confusing, absolutely ****e endings? Well, pay us $10 and we'll fix it." I really hope some publisher out there, somewhere, would swoop in and save BioWare from the evil clutches of EA. Maybe Valve has enough money to buy BioWare...

[Reapinger]

Dranume wrote...

I have to admit, how they handle this will effect the way I view Bioware from here on out. Fingers Crossed that they own up to this "Hey, we see that we did it wrong, we wanted to make something different and artful but we can see clearly that it is not well received, for that we apologize. If the ME community will bare with us while we go back to the think tank and create something better that offers a more diverse outcome based on your choices."

The leaked script ending and plot devices were so much more excellently contrived... It's like they lost 30 or so IQ points because somebody hacked the demo files... If it's a good ending, then don't fix it and give us this lump of doctored crap with lackluster emotion and no real difference in the endings. I loved a lot of the game up until that point and then it just didn't add up. Sorry but I don'y buy that the creator of the Reapers just let you waltz in there and destroy them or control them or merge technology. It makes zero sense, and the idea of a technological singularity is a foolish paradox.

Modifié par Reapinger, 10 mars 2012 - 06:38 .

[Alexeon89]

well if they are coming up with a new better ending...then i guess i should take a break from ME3 for now.

[Reapinger]

Alexeon89 wrote...

well if they are coming up with a new better ending...then i guess i should take a break from ME3 for now.

I'm so serious when I say don't hold your breath. 

[komoshi]

They'd better release the revised ending DLC (if they ever make one) for free as of good will to the disheartened fans.

It's the least they can do and mitigate the damage they caused.

I honestly think the ending was a last minute decision by someone who I hope learned his/her lesson from this atrocity.

I just can't imagine why they would makes something so amazing up to the last 10 minutes of the game and just nose-drive crash it all?

They made great endings in DA and ME2, what on earth went wrong here??

[ReapersSniper]

All of this death. All of this suffering...and for what? A VIs heavily flawed logic? Build synthetics to kill organics so organics don't build synthetics that kill organics? Trash. For many of us who have played since ME1, this ending was a shot to the heart.

[komoshi]

ReapersSniper wrote...

Build synthetics to kill organics so organics don't build synthetics that kill organics?

I was scratching my head on this one too...

[GBGriffin]

ReapersSniper wrote...

All of this death. All of this suffering...and for what? A VIs heavily flawed logic? Build synthetics to kill organics so organics don't build synthetics that kill organics? Trash. For many of us who have played since ME1, this ending was a shot to the heart.

Actually, when you put it that way, yeah, the logic is just ridiculous.

[SandTrout]

GBGriffin wrote...

ReapersSniper wrote...

All of this death. All of this suffering...and for what? A VIs heavily flawed logic? Build synthetics to kill organics so organics don't build synthetics that kill organics? Trash. For many of us who have played since ME1, this ending was a shot to the heart.

Actually, when you put it that way, yeah, the logic is just ridiculous.

Yes, that is a correct assessment.

[RethenX]

People4Peace wrote...

Militarized wrote...

For all those who couldn't sleep I did the exact opposite, I just passed out on purpose so I wouldn't have to think about it.

Then I ****ing dreamed about it with Saren laughing in my face.

lol Ah Saren....Those were the days....when the ME universe was right....

*Saren takes a drag from his cigarette in Turian heaven.* Miss me?

[mauro2222]

ReapersSniper wrote...

All of this death. All of this suffering...and for what? A VIs heavily flawed logic? Build synthetics to kill organics so organics don't build synthetics that kill organics? Trash. For many of us who have played since ME1, this ending was a shot to the heart.

WHERE IS HARBINGER???!!!!

Goddamit, Sovereign and Harby displayed more intelligence than the stupid kid/god/thing/AI/allucination.

Modifié par mauro2222, 10 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[komoshi]

I just don't understand... People MUST have play tested this part... Or did the developers specifically just decided to 'hide' the last play-through to everyone except for the internal team?

I 'love' the fact that you can't empty your gun (infinite bullets with no need to reload, although the reload animation will play if you press it).

This way you HAVE to shoot Anderson, giving you no choice... (Actually, if emptying your clip somehow contributed to the ending, that would've been impressive. Kinda like a Kojima moment)

But then that stupid VI/AI kid make you choose 3 of crappy decisions that has nothing to do with the best interest of the choices you made during the course of ME1 and 2... Again, no choice.
So much for all the 'choices' that were presented throughout the series only to make you realize none of this matters.

Someone in the higher ups must love this 'fatalist' theme. I'm sure of it! >_<(Remember Taris from KOTOR? You helped all those people in that planet only to realize it wouldn't have mattered if you screwed them up since Darth Malik was going to wipe them off from the face of the galaxy anyways)

Oh... And this here...

mauro2222 wrote...

WHERE IS HARBINGER???!!!!

Goddamit, Sovereign and Harby displayed more intelligence than the stupid kid/god/thing/AI/allucination.

^This. WHERE IS HARBINGER?

Not even one line of insult from him was... Insulting...

I was hoping I'd hear 'Assuming Control' when I was fighting the Reaper forces... That would've been awesome.

To think when either a Brute or Banshee gets powered up by Harbinger... That would've been terrifying.

Modifié par komoshi, 10 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[Butcher_of_Torfan]

GBGriffin wrote...

ReapersSniper wrote...

All of this death. All of this suffering...and for what? A VIs heavily flawed logic? Build synthetics to kill organics so organics don't build synthetics that kill organics? Trash. For many of us who have played since ME1, this ending was a shot to the heart.

Actually, when you put it that way, yeah, the logic is just ridiculous.

This actually hurt more than the downer nature of the endings.   Normally, i would applaud bioware having the balls not to go with a "hollywood" ending, if they didnt do it in such a, well, dumb manner.  As a longtime 40k fan and player, im not detered by GrimDark.  I'm also a longtime reader of A Song of Ice and Fire series, so i can handle beloved characters dying horrible, often sudden and pointless, deaths as long as its a good story.   But the logic behind the ending is flawed, it introduces plot holes, and the starkid is a terrible cliche.  I could have swallowed an even more grim ending if it had at least been written better.  

Oh well, the game is still a blast, and i enjoy the universe.  I'll just file the ending alongside the star wars prequels as something i headcannon out of existence.

I'll still give ME4 a shot, after reading some honest reviews and community threads in the future.  Yes, the ME universe isnt over and wrecked.  

Short Term: Mass effect technology and FTL still works.  As was pointed out in other threads, at their current FTL speeds, you can go from earth to nearby colonies in a few months, and get to the more far flung ones in a year or two.  There would need to be stops along the way to discharge drive cores and resupply, and you'd be crossing dark, unexplored territory that was normally skipped over with relays.  It would be long, tough and dangerous, but not anymore so than the Age of Sail was.  

Long Term:  The relays can be rebuilt.  Comm Bouys are small, primitive Relays, so the basics of the tech are already understood.  It is a massive undertaking, but its not like they're reinventing the wheel. 

[Knightsaber2010]

The actual endings bother me less than the way you're forced into them. After all the hours spent going through ME1, then all the hours spent making sure you survived ME2, all the thought anyone put into making even minor decisions...all the hours in ME3 gathering War Assets (desperately gathering War Assets...because...This Is IT). Except...all those hours mean nothing. All your decisions mean nothing. All your War Assets mean nothing. You get Door number One, Door number Two, or Door number Three, and that's that.

Not to mention the weird writing or lack thereof at the end. Joker said once he'd follow me into Hell. Except he took off with the Normandy while I was finishing up the war. Handily, he swooped down into London and picked up the squadmates that were smushed by Harbinger's Beam of Doom...well I assume that was Harbinger. They land on some planet (where?!). They apparently create a whole new civilization there with Shepard being a legend. (Joker stole my woman.)

Wait, but aren't all the races I united to fight still hanging around Earth? Yeah I wonder how that turned out for all of them. Beats me.

And after all that, I have very little faith left.

[Der Estr Bune]

Although thinking about it again, I don't see how Shepard could reunite with the crew since he was left on Earth and they were running for their lives on the Normandy from the energy of the Crucible.

I'm going to feel dumb when this turns out to be a joke, but if you erase the last 10 minutes, that whole "running away" thing never actually happens.

[mitimai]

In my opinion, I think they tried too much to explain everything while they didn't have to. Well, some question doesn't need the answer. But we gamer need the ending that satisfy and make sense. Alright, it's just... give us something that make us proud in what we've done in those years, ok? These crappy endings made me feel like my long, hard work had been destroyed in five minutes. And that hurt a lot. My heart was broke and still didn't recovered. Damn you, Bioware.

[fearan1]

This is directly quoted from from the moderator in the non spoiler forum Stanely Woo and shows that Bioware feels we are the problem not there game.
As for what a Fan is Stanley a fan of a company is someone who will buy your product sight unseen because they know it will be good Bioware has delivered  2 games in a row that a majority of people agree are not up to there past efforts so you will start to lose people I have every Bioware game released so I would consider myself a past "fan" and frankly I write my disapointment because I know you can do better. That is all  I look forward to seeing what Biowares response to this mess is .

Quote is below

"I have always been an advocate for our fans being able to criticize our games, rave about them, and discuss them in our community. And for the most part, our fans have been doing an awesome job of talking about the BioWare games they love and what they love or don't love about them.

Lately, however, it seems that people are throwing around the term "fan" a little too loosely. The "fans" are demanding we change something, the "fans" will no longer purchase a BioWare game in the future because they didn't like the ending to one of our games, we have betrayed the "fans." Think about what it means to be a fan, and consider how much (or how little) of a fan you must be to be able to so easily dismiss us so hyperbolically. And then you want us to change for you, or cater to you?

Believe me, I'm fine with fairweather fans, just as I'm fine with casual fans, hardcore fans, longtime fans and newfound fans, but at least be honest about what kind of fan you are.

This thread is not really about Mass Effect 3, so I'm shutting it down.

End of line.

Modifié par fearan1, 10 mars 2012 - 08:46 .

[Templar Fox]

So now they're implying that if we don't like the endings, we are't true fans? Bioware is a joke.

[beryls]

Knightsaber2010 wrote...

The actual endings bother me less than the way you're forced into them. After all the hours spent going through ME1, then all the hours spent making sure you survived ME2, all the thought anyone put into making even minor decisions...all the hours in ME3 gathering War Assets (desperately gathering War Assets...because...This Is IT). Except...all those hours mean nothing. All your decisions mean nothing. All your War Assets mean nothing. You get Door number One, Door number Two, or Door number Three, and that's that.

Not to mention the weird writing or lack thereof at the end. Joker said once he'd follow me into Hell. Except he took off with the Normandy while I was finishing up the war. Handily, he swooped down into London and picked up the squadmates that were smushed by Harbinger's Beam of Doom...well I assume that was Harbinger. They land on some planet (where?!). They apparently create a whole new civilization there with Shepard being a legend. (Joker stole my woman.)

Wait, but aren't all the races I united to fight still hanging around Earth? Yeah I wonder how that turned out for all of them. Beats me.

And after all that, I have very little faith left.

You forgot that all three doors lead into 1 big room! I had to replay the ending again because my choice was such a horrible ending, i made a different choice and got the same exact ending expect EDI died! So basicly BW/EA was to ****g lazy to make multiple endings to their Game to top all Games. Get rid of all the dam advertisements and pay your writers to come up with multiple endings......