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A Critical Analysis of the Hours After, my speculation.


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I would like to start off by saying I don't want to be eaten alive if im wrong anywhere, point it out and correct me so I can get the whole, right story

I want to sum up my thoughts as quick as possible, so here
goes. I know it is long but read what you can. Post 2 will be the hours after,
Post 3 will be my closing remarks, and this post will be speculation of the story.

 

Please remember, I may have missed some things, but this is
the story I know.



No doubt the end(s) of ME3 has everyone in a bunch, but after some hard
thinking on this I have come up with what is only logical to assume given that
I know the story from start to finish. So here it goes, this is what I assume
happened in the hours after firing the crucible. Also, I will be sharing my
thoughts on hours/weeks or whatever was before crucible.



Let's start off by taking a look at a few things. I want to address the
reapers. Now, I am basing these assumptions purely off of the games, none of
the novels that have been released, if any.



First off, the Citadel AI. I noticed a few people saying that they had some
questions un answered by the kid that controls the reapers, so maybe I can help
by saying this. He said that the reapers were the controllers of chaos. Organic
life brought in the chaos and the reapers harvest organic life and turn it in
to reapers to preserve order. However, I get mixed feelings with this because
he could be talking about two things here



1.) In physics there is something known as Entropy. I feel like the writer was
trying to relate this story to that law in some way. Entropy is a funny way of
saying chaos. The easiest way to explain entropy is through changes in the
states of matter. As matter changes in to a gas form entropy is increased
because matter is almost free to do what it wants. When it is in a solid Matter
can barely do anything at all, thus entropy is decreased. Relate that to the
reapers trying to control organics, and maybe it has something to do with the
story.



2.) Who, exactly were the reapers? In ME1, Sovereign says that the reapers have
been around since the beginning. Well, the kid said no matter what, synthetics
will always be the end of the evolutionary cycle. This leads me to conclude
that reapers weren't around at the beginning of time, but instead the first
advanced organic civilization. In an attempt to stop things like the
geth/quarrian war, they harvest organics and turn them in to synthetics off the
bat so that they can all be under one flag, Thus preserving the order.

 

One more thing about the kid and the dream sequences
before I move on. The dream sequences were directly related to the story of
ME3, and ME3 alone in every way. Take dream 1. Shep  is chasing after the kid the entire time and
never gets to him, ending with the kid in flames. I think I can see the
symbolism, correct me if I'm wrong, but the kid embodies how shep feels about
the situation. In dreams 1 and 2, and what happens outside the dreams, is
pretty much the same but without the action. Shep is running away from the
reapers (dream1) the reapers and the people ding (dream 2 with the shadows) and
then in dream 3, and if I recall this right, just before dream 3 shep says
"...it's time to stop running..." He even mentions this with kai leng.
Which is why in dream 3 we see shep with the kid finally and them both burning.
This is just a thought, though.



On to the illusive man. This is what made me scratch my head a little. When
introduced in ME2, the most notable feature of TIM was his eyes. We knew right
off the bat he was some form of bionic/synthetic. Could it be that he was
indoctrinated from the start, though? It certainly doesn't seem that way. After
all, if the collectors were servants of the reapers, and were only trying to
get a head start on the reapers goals or genetic harvesting, why would an
indoctrinated man be trying to stop that? So that leaves the question of where
did he become indoctrinated? As careful of man as he was, certainly he wouldn't
have fallen victim to his own indoctrination research. He had to have had
contact with reapers at one point or another. I don't see this really as a plot
hole, but more of less open speculation of how he became synthetic before ME2,
and if that had any effect in his indoctrination.



Furthermore, the "Cerberus is an idea" idea. The idea of Cerberus was
to promote human dominance over everyone else in the galaxy. This was around
before ME1, since projects that were Cerberus based in ME1 started before the
game started (presumably). No doubt that the reapers also hit Earth, the human
home world, hardest. If the reapers only wanted to jump a curb and complete the
synthetic evolution immediately, this suggests that the reapers, and Cerberus
were the same team all along. Not to mention, reaper/citadel AI was a human
child. Of course the AI could have just been a fabrication of shep's mind, but
its open to speculation I suppose.



The last thing I want to note about cerberus, is that perhaps the illusive man
was a synthetic that has been around since the reapers themselves. In ME2, and
correct me if I'm wrong, the illusive man's journal entry states that no one
knows where he came from, or who he is. He was just there. Perhaps for millions
of years, he has been trying to find a way to control the reapers. The prothean
VI on thessia said it himself, every time someone comes along and tries to
control the reapers, and the crucible fails. Not to mention, this could
somewhat explain his indoctrination. As the reapers got closer to the galaxy,
their hold on him became stronger, and he was unable to resist them. He also
only took a human form, because he wanted to be allied with who he thought was
the strongest, and most capable race in the galaxy.



Will add more of the speculations of that later, but I suppose it's time to
give my logical assumptions of what happened in the hours after.

Modifié par themaltaproject, 09 mars 2012 - 05:02 .


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Let's take a few things in to account. I was able to save shep's life because of war readiness and I also chose to destroy the reapers and all synthetics. Go me.

Why was this NOT a depressing ending? Here's what I think an extra 2 minutes of cinematic could have explained.

The Normandy. Obviously it is kind of weird that your hammer squad was on the Normandy. Ignoring that, we see the normandy running away from the energy burst of the crucible. Joker could not have made it to the relay in time. Even if he did, he would have been hitting relay, after relay, after relay until the burst finally just hit him from both sides. So obviously, he is in the Sol system within range of standard FTL cores. Two things could have happened in the hours after from here.

1.) After crash landing on the planet, he could do what Jacobs dad didn't do right away, and put out a distress beacon. Assuming the pulse didn't knock out ALL electronics period, it should be easily picked up by Admiral Hacket or any of the other thousands of ships in the Sol system, since no one is going anywhere for awhile. So they should be picked up within a week and back at earth in no time with your LI, squad mates, and whatever crew survived.

2.) Or, if he managed to get the ship powered, which he probably had to in order to open the heavy metal loading bay doors with his glass bones (He was the first one out on the planet) Joker should be able to get the quantum entanglement communicator online so someone would have their location regardless! In other words, the crew of the normandy should be just fine. All of this is assuming that the pulse only killed synthetics, not all electronics ever.

Now, lets talk about why I think EDI and the Geth are still around. Again, this is highly assuming that the pulse only did what it said it would do, and kill synthetics, I can safely assume that EDI and the Geth are alive, but in a data base. When helping legion, you explore what is the equivalent of a Geth city, and blow it up. Legion explains in ME2 and somewhat in ME3 that Geth do not just reside in the synthetic bodies, but also in a network. The synthetic bodies only tie to a network is through the server nodes. So maybe, I don't know, this really isn't my strongest argument, but I really think that the geth are still alive and just need to be reconnected to a body. Same with EDI.

Two of the biggest arguments on the normandy had to do with EDI and whether or not she was a synthetic. The engineers argue that she is the embodiment of the ship, so perhaps is the ship still has power and is still working, she is still alive, but no longer in a synthetic body. I really wish I had better supporting evidence for this, but it certainly has come across to me this way.

The last thing I presume happens in the hours after is, having every race in the same system with a thousand or so dead reaper spacecraft just floating/laying around, someone has to get smart and say "hey, lets take a look inside". Cerberus employees and scientists were able to replicate and reverse engineer many reaper technologies throughout the game. The most notable one was the indoctrination experiments. Certainly, someone in the mix of thousands of warships and millions of people involved in this final fight had some idea of how the mass effect relays worked. The protheans sure did. In fact, If I recall, they were able to build their own relay that shot straight to the citadel. It was on Ilos. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm really certain that this was the case.

All of the above considered, this only leaves one problem and that is where the first relay points. Of course more would have to be built in the following system, but perhaps that caused some quarrels among the races there. Or maybe it didn't, seeing as they all came together. Maybe Sol became the new Rome. All relays lead to Rome and Rome leads to all places. Would be a good way to keep the races out of each others space.

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Closing remarks here are hey, Bioware did an amazing job with the game and series all together. Don't be so quick to say they suck. Sure, the messed up by not adding what would have been a two minute cinematic showing what I explained happening, or something of their own fabrication that shows what happens in the hours after, but they still did a good job.

Maybe they ran out of CD space and couldn't add the final bits and make it to where you are shep going around talking to your crew who is happy all of this is finally over. Who knows, but one thing really bugs me.

The only wrench in this whole machine that puts everything I said on hold here is the old man standing with the kid in the field of snow looking out at some planets and telling the kid a story. Ok, sure, this basically means that this entire story of ME1-3 was some old man telling wise tales about a galactic super hero. That. Sucks. All this time I was a fabrication of some old mans imagination? I am trying to follow my own words here and say that the stories he was telling took place after the crucible fired, and everything is still ok in the galaxy, but it just does not explain enough. That is only one possibility out of several. The most notable one being that this whole thing was a story to begin with, none of it was real in the mass effect universe, and that the series is going to take a wild turn where, in ME4(assuming there is one) it's going to be about the kid gaining space flight and fighting wars just like his grandpa talked about.

OR, everything I said about the hours after is invalid, everyone died off because there were no electronics to guide the ships safely out of orbit so life support failed, the galaxy went dark, almost all organic life dissipated and wont return for a very long time, and no more mass effect games.

OR, future mass effect games are all going to more stories from this old man.

I don't know, there are other possibilities, but those are the ones that stick out all because of a 12 seconds viewing of a photo shopped stock image with some voice acting. If there was anyway to have that taken out of the game, that would be best, to be honest. 12 seconds potentially ruined an entire story line.

Would I pay money to see another ending choice? Probably not. It wouldn't feel like original content but just something the community has cried out for. I would pay A LOT of money, to see an hours after DLC. DLC where you get to bypass (or preferably never see) the old man talking to the kid, and you and your crew are on the normandy once more even though shep's story is over. A chance to go back and talk to everyone, and maybe start on the project to reconstruct the relays. Helping in anyway you can.
That's all I have to say for now, may edit this post later.

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Joker wasn't running to save the ship. He wasn't running to save the crew.

He was running for HER. I'd bet anything, that EDI knew what that pulse was going to do (data analysis was her forte) And if she told Joker (she would, never could keep secrets) Well Joker only just got her, he's hauling ASS.

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Sevrun wrote...

Joker wasn't running to save the ship. He wasn't running to save the crew.

He was running for HER. I'd bet anything, that EDI knew what that pulse was going to do (data analysis was her forte) And if she told Joker (she would, never could keep secrets) Well Joker only just got her, he's hauling ASS.


Oops! I think I forgot to put that point across. You're going to be my reference for that from now on.

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bad ending is bad, i'd pay for a rick roll video instead of what we had...

Give me my happy ending with Liara!

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Foulpancake wrote...

bad ending is bad, i'd pay for a rick roll video instead of what we had...

Give me my happy ending with Liara!


Well... ok lol. Could have just said tl;dr

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Sevrun wrote...

Joker wasn't running to save the ship. He wasn't running to save the crew.

He was running for HER. I'd bet anything, that EDI knew what that pulse was going to do (data analysis was her forte) And if she told Joker (she would, never could keep secrets) Well Joker only just got her, he's hauling ASS.


This doesn't make sense for the green/blue endings. Since EDI doesn't die in either of those.

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Fenwich wrote...

Sevrun wrote...

Joker wasn't running to save the ship. He wasn't running to save the crew.

He was running for HER. I'd bet anything, that EDI knew what that pulse was going to do (data analysis was her forte) And if she told Joker (she would, never could keep secrets) Well Joker only just got her, he's hauling ASS.


This doesn't make sense for the green/blue endings. Since EDI doesn't die in either of those.


My post was assuming you took the red ending. Good point, however. Maybe bioware will be touching on this in their supposed "...plans..." they have for the game that are making us hold on to copies. (Not like mine was going anywhere anyway)

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Are we allowed to bump? I'm eager for discussion.

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In the ending the kid talks about "THE Shepard" as if he/she is some sort of religious figure. I think they tried to make Shepard a Christ figure in the end and have it "all start over again" on a new planet with the Normandy crashing there. Still, kinda blows.

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http://social.biowar...09007/1#9709108


My own 2 cents. Good to see I'm not the only one who can string a few sentences together.

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BoomstickKiller wrote...

In the ending the kid talks about "THE Shepard" as if he/she is some sort of religious figure. I think they tried to make Shepard a Christ figure in the end and have it "all start over again" on a new planet with the Normandy crashing there. Still, kinda blows.


That's what I thought. I have tons of mixed feelings about this. I loved how I felt these two choices were important, I really hesitated and stressed a lot.
... But I wish I could have chosen my Shepard's fate. After all this, being forced to die is kinda depressive. The whole game is depressive lol.

I remember during the Earth mission, there was a time I told myself "I hope there's one hell of a party after all this. I deserve it"... Well, keep dreaming Nick.

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BoomstickKiller wrote...

In the ending the kid talks about "THE Shepard" as if he/she is some sort of religious figure. I think they tried to make Shepard a Christ figure in the end and have it "all start over again" on a new planet with the Normandy crashing there. Still, kinda blows.


Yes I read about this on a post yesterday and I found that really interesting. Of course there is all kinds of christian allegory in this story. Take Ashley, for example. She has been my LI since ME1 and in ME1 there were plenty of direct quotes from the bible from her.

While I don't think that bioware was trying to promote Christianity, I bet if I went back and looked closely enough I could find much, much more christian allegory. For example, the exact references and ever the nicknaming of TIM as the devil.

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Outreach117 wrote...

http://social.biowar...09007/1#9709108


My own 2 cents. Good to see I'm not the only one who can string a few sentences together.


I found your post really elaborate on the entire game. You share some ideas and hopes that everyone else has in this forum, that bioware will come out with a broken steel type expansion. You also seem like this story is an in deep with you as it is me.

In your opininion, why would you want bioware to change the ending, and how? So many people say that the ending doesn't fit with the other stories, and was copied from Deus Ex (I agree with the DE thing). However, I don't see anyway to end the series that doesn't involve my own wants of just having my squad, my LI, and my pride layed out infront of me. I feel like if the story ended that way, it would be just kind of cheesy. I want the destruction and sacrifice because it adds such a more personal touch to how shep's story ends, and our next hero's will begin.