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Destroying the Pillars You've Worked So Hard to Build


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SLonergan

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Let me begin this with a couple of statements: I know that people are complaining everywhere in the forums. I know that there is a massive backlash against Bioware right now, and I know that me making another thread isn't going to solve anything.

However, I just need to get some things off of my chest. This post is going to be incredibly long winded, so back out now if you don't want to read a wall of text.

To start, I completely hate the endings. That's obvious enough. But it's not just the endings themselves: it's the fact that these endings invalidated everything I've done since my first playthrough of Mass Effect 1 back in 2007. 

Mass Effect has been my favorite series since only a few hours into the first game. The fact that a game was completely based on choice, and that your choices mattered...absolutely incredible. Many games claimed to have choices that mattered, but Mass Effect was the first game that accomplished this goal.

I played through the first Mass Effect many times. I must have seen every possible choice, and every possible consequence. I've played through multiple times on my Xbox 360, and when I decided I preferred playing on PC, I played through the game even more. 

Same with Mass Effect 2. I was enthralled while playing through Mass Effect 2. Seeing the ramifications of my actions in ME1 was amazing...unlike anything I've experienced before. Once again, I played through TONS of times.

The best part about Mass Effect 2, was the ending. Yes, you might lose squadmates. Terrible things could happen...but if you put in the time, and you put in the effort, you could make everything turn out okay. Escaping the Collector base with my entire squad alive is still the most rewarding thing I've ever done in a video game.

Now, on to Mass Effect 3.

Mass Effect 3 has retroactively ruined over four years of gaming experiences for me.

I have only beaten the game with one character, and I don't plan on doing it again. I still have 7 more characters I could bring in from Mass Effect 2, all with completely different backstories, and choices. But what's the point? No matter WHAT I do in Mass Effect 3, it's all going to be the same. I'm forced into a situation that I don't want to be in, and I die. No matter what. 

I completed every sidequest in ME3. I put in the extra hours, because I wanted the galaxy that I've loved for the past 4 years to survive. I wanted to solve all the problems that I've been hearing about since first stepping foot on the Citadel in 2007...and I succeeded! I created lasting peace between the Geth and the Quarians. I cured the Genophage. I ended a hatred between the Krogans, Turians, and Salarians that has existed for Centuries. I gave birth to an entire race, changing the Geth from AI into people. I watched characters evolve. I cried as I lost friends who I've known for years, but it was all worth it: because I knew that in the end I was going to be saving the galaxy that I've grown to love. I knew that I was making a difference.

Except that I wasn't.

As most of you know, the three possible endings for Mass Effect 3 were bleak. Every one of them killed Shepard, and every one of them basically ended the galaxy that we've grown to love. Everything you've done over the last three games is for nothing...because everything ends. Even in the (arguably) *happiest* ending, (melding organics and synthetics together, creating lasting peace), you destroy the Mass Relays. You destroy the infrastructure that makes Mass Effect possible. You've ended Galactic Civilization as we know it...you're hardly better than the Reapers.

Mass Effect 3 fell prey to the same endings as Deus Ex: Human Revolution did last year. No matter what you do, it all boils down to choosing between three options. Nothing you've done factors in at all: you just pick which ending you want...and they're all bad.

I'll also argue that letting the Reapers win would have been a better overall ending that any of the three possibilities. At least if the Reapers won, the Mass Effect universe would continue. Knowledge could be passed on, and new species would step up. Keep in mind, I'm not suggesting that this should have been the ending. I'm only saying that the ending would have been better, not good.

Lastly: Mass Effect's core theme is about fighting back against destiny. Your fate is inevitable. The Reapers will win. You fight back against the impossible. You refuse to accept this destiny. So, why is it that in the end, I can't fight back against the three choices I'm given? In the last minute of gameplay, Mass Effect 3 eradicated the core concept that has driven the series through three games. How is this acceptable? Why can't I destroy the Catalyst, and disable the Reapers? Why do I have to die? Why does society have to die? What did I spend four years fighting for?

And at the end of it all, what happens? I don't get an epilogue that tells me the results of my actions. I don't get a video showing me the Geth and Quarians rebuilding the homeworld, or the Krogans thriving, or my squad living out their days on a planet together. What do I get?

I get an advertisement. I get told that I can expand Shepard's Legacy with additional gameplay, and DLC. What a massive "**** You" to the Mass Effect fans. And then I'm back on the ship!

This was the point where I thought that maybe everything would be okay. I had an amazing idea. Maybe the DLC is going to be tall tales that have been passed down. Maybe I'll get to play through the Legend of the Shepard, instead of playing through his actual life. That might have been cool. But after some exploration, I realize I've been dumped back to an earlier point in the game, before the attack on the Cerberus base. No one has anything to say. Not only was the ending terrible, the ending was just erased. Mass Effect 2 let you play AFTER the story. Mass Effect 3 dumps back into a place you've already been. This is just sloppy.

Worst of all, I have no desire to EVER play another Mass Effect game. Sure, I'll play multiplayer, and I *might* play future ME3 DLC, but why would I ever bring another character through ME3, when there will be no difference in the galaxy? A game that is built around choice, and shaping the galaxy with your choices, has no diversity in its endings. I'll never be able to touch Mass Effect 1 or 2 again, because I know that in the end, nothing will be different.

The first thing we learn in Game Design classes is this: decide on your Game Pillars early, and stick to them. If it doesn't fit with the pillars, get rid of it. 

Bioware did this so well for 2 games, and for most of the third. Then at the end, they destroyed what they had worked so hard to build. They ruined their franchise. This is WORSE than the Star Wars prequels. No matter how much you hate Episodes 1-3, you can always enjoy 4-6. Bioware ruined two great games, by invalidating them.

They invalidated 3 games in 1 minute. That has to be some kind of record.

And now I'm seeing a tweet from Michael Gamble saying that they are planning more for Mass Effect 3. I can only assume this is DLC. Are you telling me that I'm going to have to BUY an acceptable ending for a game that I already spent $80 on? Am I going to have to pay MORE for a complete experience?

In conclusion, I'm not asking for Bioware to change the endings...at least not just for us. If this is really how you have wanted Mass Effect to end from the very beginning, then stick to your guns. But Bioware, I don't think this is what you wanted. I think you got overwhelmed by the temple you have built, and got lazy in the end.

Mass Effect will forever be an example to future Game Designers. A beloved series that could do no wrong in the fans' eyes, which ruined its legacy in a couple of minutes. 

Modifié par SLonergan, 09 mars 2012 - 05:43 .


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Axelstall

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I completely agree with you the interactions with the characters was like talking to actual people, except they were more interesting and not caught up in stupid crap. ME1 best scene: The first time you see the Citadel, Best, Moment I had experienced until ME3 (first parts).
Can't think of anything for ME2 right now.
ME3 Best scene, when my almost real friend Tali cries over losing Legion (I cried too) even though she hated him at first.

The worst thing I've ever experienced in video games to date... Is that terrible scene with the stupid kid you see in the beginning. saying hes the reason the reapers attack every cycle. WTF some 6 year old decides the fate of the galaxy!?

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Davnort

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Me1 i played like 2 times over(i had bought it like a year after ME2 was released)
ME2 played more than 5 times over(even though it stepped sideways and didn't progress the story,IMO)
ME3 i cannot play again,

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HighScore 2600

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I really wanna throw the Catalyst out the Normany airlock and into a super nova.

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100% agree

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TFulls

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the whole kid catalyst thing was 100% idiotic

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AdmiralCheez

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Somebody email this to the devs. Seriously.

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Revan312

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Yah.. the endings were pretty much horse sh**.

It was pure laziness on their part, I mean cmon, the ole pick your ending from a pool of "I don't like any of these" choices? And as you said, to top it off, have zero resolution to any character after the fact.. I get a flash of a couple faces and boom, the Galaxy is back to square one.. oh, but Joker/traynor/VS is there, crash landed on a planet.. woopty fu***** do..

Pathetic.. it really is. It's as if towards the end, the devs went, holy crap, how are we gonna incorporate everyone's decisions/tastes/wants into a thousand different endings... hmm, think people... Oh I know, lets just say "screw it" and throw a poor resolution movie at them that lasts 45 seconds and gives no actual conclusion.. ya, that's it.

Thumbs down.. big time. But at least all the major review sites are praising it out the ass.. no bias there at all *cough cough* advertisers*cough*

Meh, guess this be the final Bioware game I purchase. Twas good times Bioware, If only you could have made an ending that was worthy of even a flash game, alas, you did not.. *shrug*

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Lugaidster

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Davnort wrote... 
ME3 i cannot play again,


This! Bring the galaxy together for what?!

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SLonergan

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Somebody email this to the devs. Seriously.


Thank you, that really means a lot! =)

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Thomas Abram

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You have written a very well structured post with some very well supported personal points. I would suggest posting this in one of the mega threads to make sure that our team views it.

Unfortunately we have many threads discussing these same points and as such I am closing this thread in hopes that people will consolidate their ideas/opinions into the mega threads.

End of the line.

Modifié par Thomas Abram, 09 mars 2012 - 05:43 .