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[LPetty6]

 So I just finished ME3, had aound 4800 war assets and 100% readiness (I played multiplayer just in case it helped anything). Anyway I went to the forums after to see the discussion of how awesome the game is and what a great ending it was. But all I see is so much negativity! While I can see why some endings were bad mine went as follows, mind you I chose the destroy option.

-Reapers destroyed, although geth and all sythetic life including ED but it was worth the sacrafice. They are just machines after all, they can be rebuilt.

-Earth saved, soldiers cheering. 

-Mass effect relays destroyed: We have all the dead reapers, who's to say we can't build our own? All the technology we'd need to build them, we have the most advanced machinery in the world!

-Yes everyones stuck in this system, but as I said, we have the technology...

-Squad mates safe and sound on an undislosed planet.

I was satisfied with the ending just seeing this, I assumed Sheperd was dead but I thought that was very justfied and a fit ending for him. To my suprise I see an extra cut scene of a man in N7 armor take a breath, assumed to be Sheperd. Icing on the cake! Sheperd survived! Something I thought impossible for the trilogy ending! 

Then to top it off we have a man telling his presumed grandson that he'll tell him one more story of Sheperd, leaving room for a possible continuation of Sheperd's story should Bioware choose! Everything I could ask for and more! 

So my question is, why is this so bad?? DLC to show what became of the characters we love and the effects of our major decisions and case closed. No?

Modifié par LPetty6, 09 mars 2012 - 05:54 .

[SilencedScream]

1.) The two squadmates that were fighting with you on Earth - how did they get back to the Normandy and, more importantly, when everyone was rushing the beam, why did they not go with Shepard when the whole point was supposed to be getting in there to fight through the Citadel?

2.) Why did the Normandy try to out run a blast that shouldn't have affected it (and if it WAS supposed to affect it, doesn't that mean ALL of the ships orbiting Earth are destroyed as well?)

3.) Squad mates on the planet - however Quarians (Tali) and Turians (Garrus) have different biochemistry than us - what I mean to say is that natural grown food that is good for humans is HIGHLY toxic to them. So basically, they're going to starve to death. Safe and sound, no.

4.) On Twitter, one the developers stated that there won't be any post-game DLC because people would just be roaming around in a "wasteland."

5.) The undisclosed planet - to keep a steady population, the Normandy crew would be sleeping together. This leads to imbreeding.

6.) Finally, we don't see any actual repercussions from our final decision choice. We (you and I) killed all the geth and EDI... but we don't even get a two second cutscene of any of them dying, let alone see what happens in the future. The other choices are the same. Thus, why have any choice at all, when there's no actual consequence shown in game, other than Shepard dying/living?

These are just off the top of my head.

Modifié par SilencedScream, 09 mars 2012 - 05:36 .

[LPetty6]

While I can't say for sure I will say what I infer.

1 and 2. I think Joker picked them up and had Reaper up his **** and was trying to escape, hence the ship being on fire.

3. The species you mention are on Earth and in fleets in HUGE numbers, they probably brought a lot of food! Enough to last them long enough to use Reaper tech to return home.

4. Even so, the ending was enough for me. You can always use your imagination.

5. I don't see them staying their long enough for that to even be a thought...I see it as "Let's find resources for repairs on this planet" or living their long enough to be rescued, remember, Earth has reaper tech...

6. I can't argue that one but I take what I'm given in stride.

[Asuukuru]

My understanding of the ending was a little different. For what i understood about the conversation with the child, regardless of your choice, the current cycle was going to end. Therefore the only survivors of the current cycle that would move onto the next one would be the ones in the Normandy that managed to outrun the wave. I chose synthesis, so i cna only speak to that one, but in synthesis you can tell that Joker and the plants are no longer organic, you can see some circuitry on them as the camera moves around.

The lack of significant of the choices did kind of bother me though, i worked hard to unite everyone. Lost Mordin, Legion and Thane doing so. The ending did bother me that everyone disappeared in the end except for the Normandy.

As for the story told at the end. The fact that there are other storylines from Shepard doesnt necessarily mean they will be sequels. There are still prequels that could be done. Also, they could simply add new quests or new companions to be done before attacking the Illusive man's base.

I dont see how Shepard could possibly survive, the Citadel exploded, its not like the Normandy would have had enough time to go in, pick up Shepard and then fly away.

[LPetty6]

Asuukuru wrote...

My understanding of the ending was a little different. For what i understood about the conversation with the child, regardless of your choice, the current cycle was going to end. Therefore the only survivors of the current cycle that would move onto the next one would be the ones in the Normandy that managed to outrun the wave. I chose synthesis, so i cna only speak to that one, but in synthesis you can tell that Joker and the plants are no longer organic, you can see some circuitry on them as the camera moves around.

The lack of significant of the choices did kind of bother me though, i worked hard to unite everyone. Lost Mordin, Legion and Thane doing so. The ending did bother me that everyone disappeared in the end except for the Normandy.

As for the story told at the end. The fact that there are other storylines from Shepard doesnt necessarily mean they will be sequels. There are still prequels that could be done. Also, they could simply add new quests or new companions to be done before attacking the Illusive man's base.

I dont see how Shepard could possibly survive, the Citadel exploded, its not like the Normandy would have had enough time to go in, pick up Shepard and then fly away.

From what I saw the Reapers dropped dead and the soldiers cheered. Also the cutscene of the man in N7 Armor taking a breath is a huge indicator of Sheperd's survival, what else would it be?

[Jake Boone]

 My problem with the endings is the lack of explanation. If they had explained why the crew was stranded  I just want an explanation, an epilogue like in DA:O would have been suffiecent. I put so much of my life into this series and then to not know what happens to the universe is hurtful.

[LPetty6]

Jake Boone wrote...

 My problem with the endings is the lack of explanation. If they had explained why the crew was stranded  I just want an explanation, an epilogue like in DA:O would have been suffiecent. I put so much of my life into this series and then to not know what happens to the universe is hurtful.

Often times seemingly random things are not random at all, we just don't know the purpose. Perhaps Bioware will make it evident to us, perhaps they are setting something up. I'd give em time.

[blind black]

Why is the Normandy going through a mass relay and how did your squad mates get on the Normandy? It doesn't make any sense. The origin and purpose of the reapers makes no sense either. It should have ended with Shep and Anderson looking out on earth.

[Luigitornado]

blind black wrote...

Why is the Normandy going through a mass relay and how did your squad mates get on the Normandy? It doesn't make any sense. The origin and purpose of the reapers makes no sense either. It should have ended with Shep and Anderson looking out on earth.

I'm curious. What's wrong with the Reaper's origin?

[ThIconoclast]

As we saw in ME2 arrival, destroying
a mass really destroys a whole system. They just killed everyone on earth,
everyone in the massive fleets, and everyone in Illium, Tuchunka etc. They just
killed all the trillions that you were trying to save the reapers from killing.



Also there is what, 20 people on the Normandy? You
get two generations before inbreeding destroys the population.




This ending is BS. No thought was put into at all.
Glad I wasted 120 hours of my life with this character. Worst of all is I
bought this on PC so I can’t trade it in to get some money back for this giant
kick in the balls of a ending.

[Raxxman]

LPetty6 wrote...

While I can't say for sure I will say what I infer.

1 and 2. I think Joker picked them up and had Reaper up his **** and was trying to escape, hence the ship being on fire.

But this is a problem, it's just not explained, Joker could be rushing to the nearest Asari strip bar because they've got a 2 for 1 lapdance offer on for all we know.

3. The species you mention are on Earth and in fleets in HUGE numbers, they probably brought a lot of food! Enough to last them long enough to use Reaper tech to return home.

Bar the Quarian fleet, which is at least self sufficent in terms of food, I doubt the rest do. The terms 'an Army marches on its stomach' didn't originate out of nowhere. Logisitics are critical to winning wars, and the supply chain got cut to its kness.

Also, the reapers only remain in the destroy ending, in control + synthesis they up and leave. The concept that destruction of reaper tech = shutting stuff down without anything breaking/becoming an indistinguishable mess of black smoke is a massive stretch. 

As a Scientist (and an engineer) just let me assure you the concept that we'll just retrofit some reaper tech is batsh*t insane. For a start, even with the best ending, earths infastructure is gone; where are you going to get the massive amounts of Ezo required for a mass relay? The normandy 1s drive core cost 120 billion credits and the entire ship is smaller than the mass effect core of a relay. The concept is insane, it would be pure hand waving of the highest degree if eveyone just 'went home'. They're stranded short term, probably for decades, at least with the Quarians you can ensure the turians wont starve.

5. I don't see them staying their long enough for that to even be a thought...I see it as "Let's find resources for repairs on this planet" or living their long enough to be rescued, remember, Earth has reaper tech...

No it doesn't, Earth will have fragments of reapers and if you pick destroy burnt out shells. Destroy has very clear meaning, you are not retrofitting anything soon, if anything is salvageble at all (most likely you'll get some Ezo as reapers had massive drive cores, but probably not enough to build a mass relay.

If the fleets just up and move, where are they going to get the fuel for the journey? in ME2 the Normandy can barely make it through a cluster before running dry, how are you going to fuel 1000's of ships for long haul travel? There's no evidence that ships are equiped with fuel scoops to collect He3 themselves.

[LPetty6]

blind black wrote...

Why is the Normandy going through a mass relay and how did your squad mates get on the Normandy? It doesn't make any sense. The origin and purpose of the reapers makes no sense either. It should have ended with Shep and Anderson looking out on earth.

My second post in my viewpoint on the squad/normandy thing. Yeah the whole God kid thing and the reaper's purpose was murky at best...seemed to contradict itself. Ah well I can't attempt to decipher the will of the Gods! 

[Evil_medved]

Luigitornado wrote...

blind black wrote...

Why is the Normandy going through a mass relay and how did your squad mates get on the Normandy? It doesn't make any sense. The origin and purpose of the reapers makes no sense either. It should have ended with Shep and Anderson looking out on earth.

I'm curious. What's wrong with the Reaper's origin?

I like the idea of reapers being gene banks of entire species, nations connected in single mind. If not for painful transformation, being part of reaper should be pretty neat.

[LPetty6]

Raxxman wrote...

LPetty6 wrote...

While I can't say for sure I will say what I infer.

1 and 2. I think Joker picked them up and had Reaper up his **** and was trying to escape, hence the ship being on fire.

But this is a problem, it's just not explained, Joker could be rushing to the nearest Asari strip bar because they've got a 2 for 1 lapdance offer on for all we know.

3. The species you mention are on Earth and in fleets in HUGE numbers, they probably brought a lot of food! Enough to last them long enough to use Reaper tech to return home.

Bar the Quarian fleet, which is at least self sufficent in terms of food, I doubt the rest do. The terms 'an Army marches on its stomach' didn't originate out of nowhere. Logisitics are critical to winning wars, and the supply chain got cut to its kness.

Also, the reapers only remain in the destroy ending, in control + synthesis they up and leave. The concept that destruction of reaper tech = shutting stuff down without anything breaking/becoming an indistinguishable mess of black smoke is a massive stretch. 

As a Scientist (and an engineer) just let me assure you the concept that we'll just retrofit some reaper tech is batsh*t insane. For a start, even with the best ending, earths infastructure is gone; where are you going to get the massive amounts of Ezo required for a mass relay? The normandy 1s drive core cost 120 billion credits and the entire ship is smaller than the mass effect core of a relay. The concept is insane, it would be pure hand waving of the highest degree if eveyone just 'went home'. They're stranded short term, probably for decades, at least with the Quarians you can ensure the turians wont starve.

5. I don't see them staying their long enough for that to even be a thought...I see it as "Let's find resources for repairs on this planet" or living their long enough to be rescued, remember, Earth has reaper tech...

No it doesn't, Earth will have fragments of reapers and if you pick destroy burnt out shells. Destroy has very clear meaning, you are not retrofitting anything soon, if anything is salvageble at all (most likely you'll get some Ezo as reapers had massive drive cores, but probably not enough to build a mass relay.

If the fleets just up and move, where are they going to get the fuel for the journey? in ME2 the Normandy can barely make it through a cluster before running dry, how are you going to fuel 1000's of ships for long haul travel? There's no evidence that ships are equiped with fuel scoops to collect He3 themselves.

Going plainly on the cutscene I saw, the Reapers shut off and fell. Meaning 100% salvagable, with the tech of a massive amount of Reaper's, anything is possible. TIM said they would advance our civilization tens of thousands of years.

[Luigitornado]

Evil_medved wrote...

Luigitornado wrote...

blind black wrote...

Why is the Normandy going through a mass relay and how did your squad mates get on the Normandy? It doesn't make any sense. The origin and purpose of the reapers makes no sense either. It should have ended with Shep and Anderson looking out on earth.

I'm curious. What's wrong with the Reaper's origin?

I like the idea of reapers being gene banks of entire species, nations connected in single mind. If not for painful transformation, being part of reaper should be pretty neat.

Yeah it was very metaphysical, and I thought it was well written.

[thepaladin1]

Don't the turians eat the same food as the quarians.... No one in SOL is going to starve guys.

[Evil_medved]

Going plainly on the cutscene I saw, the Reapers shut off and fell. Meaning 100% salvagable, with the tech of a massive amount of Reaper's, anything is possible. TIM said they would advance our civilization tens of thousands of years.

Yeah, implying Earth have scientists and scientific base to process that stuff. Building relay will require enermous amout of resources and so on. W\\ill relays even work without citadel? Who knows. With tons of other problems humatiny on Earth will be bysy with basic survival for hundreds of years.

Thats why we need Reapers alive and well. They already all over the galaxy. Under shep control they can rebuild relays and citadel can be brought back in widow, universe will be same as it was.

Modifié par Evil_medved, 09 mars 2012 - 06:26 .

[blind black]

thepaladin1 wrote...

Don't the turians eat the same food as the quarians.... No one in SOL is going to starve guys.

tell that to tali and garrus:(

[Parker Stephenson]

LPetty6 wrote...

While I can't say for sure I will say what I infer.

1 and 2. I think Joker picked them up and had Reaper up his **** and was trying to escape, hence the ship being on fire.

3. The species you mention are on Earth and in fleets in HUGE numbers, they probably brought a lot of food! Enough to last them long enough to use Reaper tech to return home.

4. Even so, the ending was enough for me. You can always use your imagination.

5. I don't see them staying their long enough for that to even be a thought...I see it as "Let's find resources for repairs on this planet" or living their long enough to be rescued, remember, Earth has reaper tech...

6. I can't argue that one but I take what I'm given in stride.

Thats the thing my friend I don't want to have to use my imagination every other ME have me closure and that's exactly what we want

[LPetty6]

Parker Stephenson wrote...

LPetty6 wrote...

While I can't say for sure I will say what I infer.

1 and 2. I think Joker picked them up and had Reaper up his **** and was trying to escape, hence the ship being on fire.

3. The species you mention are on Earth and in fleets in HUGE numbers, they probably brought a lot of food! Enough to last them long enough to use Reaper tech to return home.

4. Even so, the ending was enough for me. You can always use your imagination.

5. I don't see them staying their long enough for that to even be a thought...I see it as "Let's find resources for repairs on this planet" or living their long enough to be rescued, remember, Earth has reaper tech...

6. I can't argue that one but I take what I'm given in stride.

Thats the thing my friend I don't want to have to use my imagination every other ME have me closure and that's exactly what we want

Yeah I definately understand this and I feel the same way, but with the way EA treat their customers, they're going to milk this cash cow for all it's worth. I doubt this is it.

[Rhazesx]

If you don't care about what happens to your companions or LI or anything you accomplished then the ending is perfect for you.

For the rest of us we are stuck with massive plotholes and no closure. It would be like Lord of the Rings ending as soon as the ring melts into the lava.

[Raxxman]

LPetty6 wrote...

Going plainly on the cutscene I saw, the Reapers shut off and fell. Meaning 100% salvagable, with the tech of a massive amount of Reaper's, anything is possible. TIM said they would advance our civilization tens of thousands of years.

You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want; including the geth; and most of the technology you rely on

Tech is gone, just because the outside shell of a reaper is intact doesn't mean the internals aren't completely obliterated, there's clearly red electrical like impulses all over the reapers before they collapsed. They've been destroyed, not just turned off. You're basically ignoring the context of the dialogue because it doesn't agree with your view.

[Parker Stephenson]

I'm just really really upset about this because I love this game so much but just to know that nothing you do matters is ludacris and kills me wanting to play the game again, I'm trying to right now as I type on my iPhone but it's still just too hard, maybe If I get a lot more war assets things might change but I'm just so upset because I was figuring that oh Shepard will win and come back a hero, and this is what I want my character to make a difference an save the universe while surviving with all the teammates, I don't know of any of you played GOW2 but I really liked how they dropped the separate campaign part for how Dom wished to evade or kill all of the locust after finding Maria almost dead, I hope they drop something like this for this game and allow you to choose which type of ending to play the original crappy ending we all had to end up with or a separate DLC that will change the end game entirely, I'm even willing to pay for it if they drop another (and I'm not counting the from ashes DLC as the new DLC I'm referring to)

[LPetty6]

Raxxman wrote...

LPetty6 wrote...

Going plainly on the cutscene I saw, the Reapers shut off and fell. Meaning 100% salvagable, with the tech of a massive amount of Reaper's, anything is possible. TIM said they would advance our civilization tens of thousands of years.

You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want; including the geth; and most of the technology you rely on

Tech is gone, just because the outside shell of a reaper is intact doesn't mean the internals aren't completely obliterated, there's clearly red electrical like impulses all over the reapers before they collapsed. They've been destroyed, not just turned off. You're basically ignoring the context of the dialogue because it doesn't agree with your view.

For all we know it could have just destroyed the Reaper's processors or brains, no where does it specifically say they are oblierated internally.

[Raxxman]

The 'wipe out .... most of the technology you rely on' part of the dialogue implies that it has been destroyed. Else the last part of that phrase is a lie.