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SLonergan wrote...

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give us examples of recent games you think are amazing.  I don't mean it sarcastically. 

How recent do you want? Give me a minimum year, and I'll give you a list

I would say in the last year so that there is a comparision of what you could get instead.  Im trying to picture what you like in a game but if you list certain games that came out recently I could get a good picture of what you like.  That way I can empathize with you instead of want to argue with you.  I just don't agree with your opinions in this thread.

[Dangerfoot]

The ending is not the "only bad part". As an RPG and a Mass Effect game it totally fails to live up to the experience they gave in previous games and promised for this game. It's a fun adventure game. And a complex and interesting shooter, but it fails in pretty much every other aspect.

[SLonergan]

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I would say in the last year so that there is a comparision of what you could get instead.  Im trying to picture what you like in a game but if you list certain games that came out recently I could get a good picture of what you like.  That way I can empathize with you instead of want to argue with you.  I just don't agree with your opinions in this thread.

Alright, I'll go from 2011 onward.

Star Wars Old Republic
Dungeon Defenders
Skyrim (with reservations...lots and lots of bugs.)
Batman Arkham City
Catherine
Gears of War 3 (Ending wasn't great, but it was okay)
Dark Souls
Battlefield 3 (Solely for the Multiplayer)
Uncharted 3
Rayman Origins
Skyward Sword

There's a short list off the top of my head.

Honorable Mention: Halo CE Anniversary, but I don't include it in the list because it's a remake
                                     Uncharted: Golden Abyss (Good, not great. Too many control gimmicks).

Guys, I'm not trying to change your opinions. I'm just saying that The professional reviews glossed over a glaring issue with the game.
                                     

[SLonergan]

Oh, L.A. Noire and Portal 2. Forgot about those.

[titusrsoooooo1337]

SLonergan wrote...


Guys, I'm not trying to change your opinions. I'm just saying that The professional reviews glossed over a glaring issue with the game.
                                     

That being an issue with the game is your opinion. To some of us, having an open-ended close to the trilogy works...to most (clearly), it doesnt. Just because the reviewers were silent on the "issue" does not make them suddenly "conspirators trying to cover up bioware's unprofessionalism" or whatever you're trying to get across.

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SLonergan wrote...

Oh, L.A. Noire and Portal 2. Forgot about those.

yah those were good, I liked the story.  I assume you value story the most.  I can respect that if you think me3 had a poor one. 

I do have to give bioware props for doing something no other game has done.  Try to make it your own story and carry your choices over from game to sequel and then finale.  At the same time make your own story coincide with the main story.  Its kind of a massive undertaking that we as fans take for granted...

as for reviews...pshh I always thought they were paid advertisements, its nothing to get worked up over.  If I didn't like a game that got great reviews I move on.  but with mass effect and the time and investment, it may take you a bit longer.

[Landline]

95?

Even if the ending wasn't completely horrible the game still wouldn't deserve that.

The rest of it is good, but not that good.

[SLonergan]

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

SLonergan wrote...


Guys, I'm not trying to change your opinions. I'm just saying that The professional reviews glossed over a glaring issue with the game.
                                     

That being an issue with the game is your opinion. To some of us, having an open-ended close to the trilogy works...to most (clearly), it doesnt. Just because the reviewers were silent on the "issue" does not make them suddenly "conspirators trying to cover up bioware's unprofessionalism" or whatever you're trying to get across.

What I'm trying to get across is that the reviewers aren't doing their job. If they ignore a problem with a game, then they're not reviewing it properly.

[SLonergan]

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SLonergan wrote...

Oh, L.A. Noire and Portal 2. Forgot about those.

yah those were good, I liked the story.  I assume you value story the most.  I can respect that if you think me3 had a poor one. 

I do have to give bioware props for doing something no other game has done.  Try to make it your own story and carry your choices over from game to sequel and then finale.  At the same time make your own story coincide with the main story.  Its kind of a massive undertaking that we as fans take for granted...

as for reviews...pshh I always thought they were paid advertisements, its nothing to get worked up over.  If I didn't like a game that got great reviews I move on.  but with mass effect and the time and investment, it may take you a bit longer.

What I value the most varies from game to game. Whatever the main point of the game is, that's what I value. Dungeon Defenders had great gameplay, L.A. Noire had great story.

Mass Effect 3 has amazing, amazing gameplay. Better than ME2, which was my pinnacle of fun gameplay. But the end ruins the story. Not just for that game, but 3 games worth of story.

And I don't usually take reviews seriously...but this is a special exception. If we as gamers want to stop something like this from happening again, we can't universally praise what is so clearly a flawed product.

I want the Metacritic score to reflect the general consensus, which is what it's supposed to do anyway. I'm not saying that everyone has to hate the story, but Metacritic is supposed to reflect what the average opinion is. 

These forums demonstrate that the average opinion is NOT 95/100.

Also, Metacritic scores drive funding. For the people responsible for funding games, ME3 is a successful game, because it has a 95/100 on Metacritic. It needs to have a lower score so that this won't happen again.

[titusrsoooooo1337]

SLonergan wrote...

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

SLonergan wrote...


Guys, I'm not trying to change your opinions. I'm just saying that The professional reviews glossed over a glaring issue with the game.
                                     

That being an issue with the game is your opinion. To some of us, having an open-ended close to the trilogy works...to most (clearly), it doesnt. Just because the reviewers were silent on the "issue" does not make them suddenly "conspirators trying to cover up bioware's unprofessionalism" or whatever you're trying to get across.

What I'm trying to get across is that the reviewers aren't doing their job. If they ignore a problem with a game, then they're not reviewing it properly.

As I literally just said: what you are saying is A PROBLEM is NOT looked at by everyone as A PROBLEM. it is purely YOUR opinion that the open ended ending is a problem.

[SLonergan]

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

As I literally just said: what you are saying is [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">A ]PROBLEM [/color]is[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)"> NOT ] A PROBLEM. [/color]it is purely YOUR opinion that the open ended ending is a problem.

Reviewers panned Deus Ex: HR for the exact same thing last year. Why should Mass Effect be an exception? 

They didn't like the way that Deus Ex's decisions didn't have an impact on the end of the game. Mass Effect does the EXACT SAME THING. Their standards change from game to game.

Professional Reviewers think that this ending style is a problem, unless it's Mass Effect.

Modifié par SLonergan, 09 mars 2012 - 08:30 .

[SLonergan]

titusrsoooooo1337 wrote...

As I literally just said: what you are saying is [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">A ]PROBLEM [/color]is[color=rgb(255, 0, 0)"> NOT ] A PROBLEM. [/color]it is purely YOUR opinion that the open ended ending is a problem.

Also, you are completely missing the point. It's not the open-endedness that is bothering us, it's the fact that no matter what we did, the ending is the same.

Stop arguing a point that has nothing to do with my complaint.

[P_sutherland]

i'd give it 100 if it had a better ending.

[Phydeaux314]

I will point out that, statistically, the game is worth a 95. Even if you assume that the ending is worth a 0, it only lasts for maybe half an hour at most out of a 35 hour game. As a result, 98.57% of the game is staggeringly awesome, with only the final 1.43% sucking terribly.

I just wish they'd gotten the 1.43% out of the way at the start, rather than the end.

[SnakeSNMF]

Hey, I'd give it a 90.

This is a hardcore Mass Effect fan though, and I'd give it five more if the ending didn't completely ruin the game itself.

[Sashimi_taco]

Every single part of the game is amazing to me. It captured my heart and I felt so emotionally invested. However that emotional investment backfired hugely, because the endings did not live up to that emotionaly investment.

The endings are so bad, that they ruined an entire game that I was loving. I knew about the endings before hand. As i was enjoying the story, the romance, and the combat, all i could think was how it really didn't matter. I couldn't give my shepard the happiness she needed in the end anyway.

I appreciate the choices of the endings and the sacrifice, however i want the CHOICE to give myself just one happily ever after. Just one choice. And the Shepard is dead but maybe she is alive thing just does not cut it when my crew is half way across the galaxy.

[nitefyre410]

The game up until the end game part is damn good, and I will say great. The endings just fall flat, no resolution, they reveal the force behind it all is a Super AI that is using a very flawed reasoning. There is understanding of it - just a glossed over hollow speech about trying to Synthetics from completely destroying organic life and now it needs a new solution. To a problem that not really clear stated.. Its like they thematic story about bring even together and did not want end the story on the theme... but one something else. Its pointless shift that really puts everything else the good and great this game in "meh" light.

[KillSlash45]

Nigawatts wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

The game was good, I won't lie about that, but between the endings, auto-dialogue and etc. I would've expected about an 75 - 80.

Freaking Fable 3 has a Metacritic Score of 80...and that game is a complete dumpster fire.

Do you people play any other games ever? Or do we all just play Biowares precious little gifts from above.

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET SOME PERSPECTIVE.

Going to jump in here and say I thoroughly enjoyed fable three. Bought it at release and don't regret it.

[Wavanova]

I think people are letting the ending sour things a bit too much for them. I absolutely hate the ending too, but I won't deny that I was loving every minute of the game up until then. It took all the RPG elements that were more prominent in ME1, fused them with the team-building elements of ME2, and had some amazing additions to the story.

Come on guys, it's only been 3 days since the game was released. If you powered through it so fast without putting it down much, you must have found it good in some way. I know the ending is pretty much soul-crushing, but this is still game of the year material. I'd probably go with an 85 for ME3, though I still prefer ME2.

Modifié par Wavanova, 09 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[Eterna]

JayTheWolf wrote...

Are you serious? A 95?

I'm... not even sure how to react to that. The game was good, but the endings should've brought that down to an 80, at most.

Not everyone agree's with you and your opinions. Shocking I know. 

[Dreogan]

Emphasis on soul-crushing. Crush the soul, spoil the product. An epic trilogy with a terrible ending is like a joke with a dud punchline.

Modifié par Dreogan, 09 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[Dangerfoot]

I can't believe so many people think the ending was where it went wrong. If the ending was the only bad part then 95% would be pretty adequate.

Unfortunately it's the most linear and least roleplay-able Mass Effect game, doesn't fix some of the annoying issues with the 'Red or Blue' system, and they outright lied about several features (such as a Genesis feature) being implemented in the game. It's kind of a slap in the face, even if it's an exhilarating, beautiful slap in the face.

I'd probably give it an 80.

[Hexxys]

Well, aside from the HORRIBLE ending and other plot holes, the game is quite good.  I don't think it's a 95, but a solid 85 for sure.

The problem is the endings are SO bad that they really kind of remove any sense of purpose from not only ME3, but 2 and 1 as well.  The auto-speech docks another few points as well.  Bugs and animations that, a lot of the time, seem worse than ME2 dock even a few more points.

Solid game with an ending so bad that it just destroys it for anyone who is emotionally invested in the characters.

[magnuskn]

The game is fantastic on every level but one... sadly that is the ending. I don't know how it could escape BioWares imagination that a total downer ending would ruin the game for the vast majority of the people. I hope they are learning fast and not doubling down on their "writers integrity". Because it will cost them costumers if they do. Lots of them. Many people do not appreciate being knifed in the back. Trust is not just something you can squander freely as a game developer and many people are already iffy on the company after DA2 and SWTOR.

Modifié par magnuskn, 09 mars 2012 - 09:30 .

[Qutayba]

You have to acknowledge that the game was fantastic in *almost* every way. Obviously, the ending was deeply flawed, but they deserve praise for the many, many things they did right.