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[cannabisShing]

anyone remember the final boss of me2? as far as know it doesnt really matters if we destoryed the collector base or not. The human reaper looks unique from other reapers and I would like to see a finished human reaper in action in some CG cutscene. It'll be nice to have cerberus construct a new one that we must fight (not on foot of course), which is a different one from the orginal one in TIM base. Try to make the decision we made worth something, make some difference.

[MetioricTest]

Also an explanation about what the hell the point of it was would be nice.

[ThinkSharp]

I can't remember where I read this--perhaps I just made it up to make myself feel better--but I was under the impression that the form of the ship wasn't going to be human, but rather the core. Outside is the cuttlefish, inside is the core which takes the shape of the pasted species.


Edit:  Answered here. Third question.  Whether you accept that as truth or BS is up to you.

Modifié par ThinkSharp, 03 avril 2013 - 11:02 .

[schebobo]

ThinkSharp wrote...

I can't remember where I read this--perhaps I just made it up to make myself feel better--but I was under the impression that the form of the ship wasn't going to be human, but rather the core. Outside is the cuttlefish, inside is the core which takes the shape of the pasted species.


Edit:  Answered here. Third question.  Whether you accept that as truth or BS is up to you.

While that is a pretty cool idea, I think having some of the reapers at least resemble assimilated species would have been nice.

[Xamufam]

The reapers were running out of time against dark energy, so they had to create it it makes more sense - Drew Said it

[tevix]

The human reaper is a vestigial plot point left over from the unfinished and unutilized dark energy story line.

Without the DE line, it serves no purpose. ME2 in general does next to nothing for the reaper arc because of this.

Also at the end of ME2 when you see all the reapers, they all look a little different.

Sadly this was retconned, and they all look the same except for the war of the worlds look a likes.

[Hey]

the human reaper was idiotic. I play that **** when I need a laugh.

[The Heretic of Time]

The reapers were big fans of the Contra games.

[Artifex_Imperius]

It says the "core" of each reaper is different maybe what we see in ME3 is just there exterior shell designed for space flight and heavy combat.

And If a reaper were to be opened up a creature similar to the ME2 human reaper may lay within.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 05 avril 2013 - 05:43 .

[Wolfva2]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

N-N-N-N-Necro Thread!

OMG!  This thread IS the Human Reaper!!!

[Han Shot First]

The Human Reaper was awful.

Easily the worst 'boss' in Mass Effect.

[Megaton_Hope]

The human-Reaper was an incredibly terrible idea, and not a very good boss fight. Terrible because it gave the Reapers a motive they didn't need (making people into cyborg cuttlefish), because it made the Reapers' physiology all but senseless (organic goo is spending 50,000 years in energy-starved dark space inside Reaper hulls? The hell is it eating, even if it's somehow ageless?), and because the Reapers are clearly all based on the same physical platform, which is roughly squid-shaped. Presumably near zero of the races destroyed by previous cycles were squid-shaped, including the Protheans, who were Collector-shaped. The human-Reaper may be going in a big robot squid thing, but it is certainly not a big robot squid thing (or even close) at the time I do battle with it.

[Yaos]

Megaton_Hope wrote...

The human-Reaper was an incredibly terrible idea, and not a very good boss fight. Terrible because it gave the Reapers a motive they didn't need (making people into cyborg cuttlefish), because it made the Reapers' physiology all but senseless (organic goo is spending 50,000 years in energy-starved dark space inside Reaper hulls? The hell is it eating, even if it's somehow ageless?), and because the Reapers are clearly all based on the same physical platform, which is roughly squid-shaped. Presumably near zero of the races destroyed by previous cycles were squid-shaped, including the Protheans, who were Collector-shaped. The human-Reaper may be going in a big robot squid thing, but it is certainly not a big robot squid thing (or even close) at the time I do battle with it.

Come to think of it, if we see it that way, ME2 is the worst thing to have happened to the series...

[IMNOTCRAZYiminsane]

so...the human reaper was stupid and had no purpose or meaning it was there to show how important humans were compare to the other more advance species like the Asari's (I hate them but they were far more advance than humans hell even the Protheans saw their potential if the reapers were going after advance species it should have been them)

The worst part was it was never mentioned again until the very beginning (i think) and the last part of the game just like that "big" decision on rather to destroy or take the Collectors base. Sad part it did nothing absolutely nothing but add numbers to the forever alone EMS pile.

Hell it should have been something to ask the Reaper lord My homeboy Catalyst

"So...the human reaper?"
"Oh that....that was for reasons that can't be explained because reasons"
* Facepalm*

Modifié par IMNOTCRAZYiminsane, 05 avril 2013 - 06:47 .

[Indy_S]

Yaos wrote...

Come to think of it, if we see it that way, ME2 is the worst thing to have happened to the series...

They definitely wasted a game with ME2. But I can't weigh misuse like that and extremely poor use like ME3 against each other so they're both terrible games (in respect to their story, of course).

[Burnham1]

The Human Reaper was basically going to be Sovereigns replacement. Humans killed Sovereign, so they were deemed worthy to be ascended to a Reaper Capitol ship, so Harbinger got his Collector slaves to start harvesting humans and build a Reaper which would make their invasion easier. Shepard stops them before they could harvest enough humans (they actually weren't even really close considering they would have needed to hit Earth to get enough, and this was implied on the Collector ship) and once again delays the Reapers by destroying the next Sovereign before he even gets built.

And yes, the human shape is simply the core and it would have the cuttlefish shell over top of it when completed like every Reaper does. There was nothing special about it and it wouldn't have looked like Superman flying through the universe when it was completed.

That or you can go with the Dark Energy ending theory and a human reaper was apparently supposed to be special and the only way to stop dark energy from destroying the universe so you had to make a decision on whether or not to allow the reapers to cause the extinction of humanity to makea human reaper which stops dark energy forever.

Take your pick. Both are kinda dumb.

Modifié par Burnham1, 05 avril 2013 - 07:00 .

[Indy_S]

Burnham1 wrote...

The Human Reaper was basically going to be Sovereigns replacement. Humans killed Sovereign, so they were deemed worthy to be ascended to a Reaper Capitol ship, so Harbinger got his Collector slaves to start harvesting humans and build a Reaper which would make their invasion easier. Shepard stops them before they could harvest enough humans (they actually weren't even really close considering they would have needed to hit Earth to get enough, and this was implied on the Collector ship) and once again delays the Reapers by destroying the next Sovereign before he even gets built.

And yes, the human shape is simply the core and it would have the cuttlefish shell over top of it when completed like every Reaper does. There was nothing special about it and it wouldn't have looked like Superman flying through the universe when it was completed.

Uh huh. And what was the significance of the three eyes? Is that just an inherit mutation you get when humans are melted into goo and rebuilt?

[Burnham1]

Indy_S wrote...


Uh huh. And what was the significance of the three eyes? Is that just an inherit mutation you get when humans are melted into goo and rebuilt?

Three eyes are cooler than two thus making the Reaper look more badass. Artistic integrity and all that.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

When the Reapers harvest, they move the Citadel around from world to world like a giant vacuum cleaner sucking up people and making reapers. They make one big capital reaper per cycle out the the special race. The rest of the races get made into destroyers, transports, and other reapery things or just plain slaughtered. But there is no war; only the harvest.

That's why they did Leviathan. So you could see the form of the ones they were made to look like. Giant Stupid Cuttlefish. The core of the reaper is huge, and it is made from the goop of millions of select beings of the special species du cycle that are pumped into this metal casing. This casing resembles that species out of deference. Then this is placed inside the giant cuttlefish shell which has proven itself so effective over the billion years and it's sent off to combat and indoctrination training instruction from Harbinger. There it learns how to say things like "We are your salvation through your destruction."

Then it goes off to dark space where it sleeps and waits for the signal from the Catalyst who waits for the signal from the sentinel, so he can send a signal to the keepers so they can open the relay in the Citadel and let the Reapers in.

See? That's how it's supposed to work.

Sovereign was supposed to do that this time but it didn't work out so well, did it? See, I had it figured out that that was the purpose of the human reaper. This way it gave Mass Effect 2 a purpose. Then they wrote a book that changed that and gave Mass Effect 2 no purpose at all except to waste time. Plotwise it could have been skipped altogether because of that change. But it was a fun game about people.

And it turned out the codex from the pictures in ME2 is completely wrong about the Reaper travel speeds. The Reapers have FTL drives that are amazing. 30 ly/day? That's at idle speed. I'm talking more like around 1100 - 2000 ly/day at cruising speed. They don't even need the relays. From as far out in dark space as they were to the Alpha Relay in 3 years on a non-stop flight? Holy crap! You'd have to see the distance from the pictures in the closing scenes of ME2.

And then if you played Arrival after Horizon Mission it's even more amazing because they jump back to that spot for the photo op. Which is probably why they show the Collector General instead of the real reaper Harbinger. ha ha. Nice ass pull Bioware. Sorry it doesn't work.

[Examurai]

tevix wrote...

The human reaper is a vestigial plot point left over from the unfinished and unutilized dark energy story line.

Without the DE line, it serves no purpose. ME2 in general does next to nothing for the reaper arc because of this.

Also at the end of ME2 when you see all the reapers, they all look a little different.

Sadly this was retconned, and they all look the same except for the war of the worlds look a likes.

See, this is why I believe they should have kept going with the DE plotline, instead of just completely scrapping it. While it MAY not be any better than the current synthetic vs organic plotline, it at least makes ME2 feel less pointless. Especially that human reaper. 
But yeah, thats how I feel about it.

[Indy_S]

Examurai1 wrote...

See, this is why I believe they should have kept going with the DE plotline, instead of just completely scrapping it. While it MAY not be any better than the current synthetic vs organic plotline, it at least makes ME2 feel less pointless. Especially that human reaper. 
But yeah, thats how I feel about it.

I don't think they should have kept going with the DE plotline. From the script that was leaked, it wasn't good. But, they should have incorporated the ME2 plot better and as my own counter argument, they should have made ME2 less of a reboot and more of an intermediary step.

[Wolfva2]

The purpose was blah blah blah no the purpose was yadda yadda yadda. No, the purpose was to make a game that we'd buy and play to be entertained. Lessee, they made it, we bought it, we played it, many of us enjoyed it. Nope, not a waste. Could it have been better? I dare ANYONE who says, "Well, it could be better." to tell me something that CAN'T be better. EVERY THING can be better. Saying, 'It could be better" is like standing outside in a rainstorm and saying, "Huh. I'm getting wet'. In other words, D'UH. Talking about what they COULD have done is the true waste of time. Because...they didn't do that. They did THIS. Don't like it? Oh well. Sucks to be you.

I really think way to many people forget that it's just a freaking game. Honestly...we're fighting giant space cockroaches in ships whose drives alter their mass using FTL communication with implants that grant telekenisis. And you want to kvetch about a giant robot fueled by human goo? <blank stare>

Stop overthinking it. Heck, I just saw GI Joe2 on Saturday. I enjoyed it the same way I enjoy ME and other games. First, I checked my brain at the door. I mean, c'mon! It's a GI Joe movie! The LAST thing I expected was real physics, a logical plot, and realistic circumstances/weapons/tactics. I have NO doubt that if I had expected any of that, I'd've been very disappointed. But, I wasn't disappointed; instead I enjoyed the film. Criticize me if you want, but I forked over 12 bucks to be entertained, and I was entertained. I forked over quite a bit more then that for ME2 and it's DLC for the same reason; to be entertained. I was entertained. Mission accomplished.

[Hey]

Is Snakeeyes in it?

[Megaton_Hope]

Indy_S wrote...
I don't think they should have kept going with the DE plotline. From the script that was leaked, it wasn't good. But, they should have incorporated the ME2 plot better and as my own counter argument, they should have made ME2 less of a reboot and more of an intermediary step.

I agree.

Wolfva2 wrote...

Stop overthinking it. Heck, I just saw GI Joe2 on Saturday. I enjoyed
it the same way I enjoy ME and other games. First, I checked my brain
at the door. I mean, c'mon! It's a GI Joe movie! The LAST thing I
expected was real physics, a logical plot, and realistic
circumstances/weapons/tactics. I have NO doubt that if I had expected
any of that, I'd've been very disappointed. But, I wasn't disappointed;
instead I enjoyed the film. Criticize me if you want, but I forked
over 12 bucks to be entertained, and I was entertained. I forked over
quite a bit more then that for ME2 and it's DLC for the same reason; to
be entertained. I was entertained. Mission accomplished.

I've been wanting to see that since I saw who they've cast in it.

However, you, sir, are why the film Sunshine exists.