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[SmokedRWA]

 What exactly do you need to have for the Quarian-Geth peace Renegade/Paragon dialogue options to show up? I have about 3.5 bars Paragon and the remaining 1.5 as Renegade and I still can't get any alternative dialogue choices to show up. I know I definitely meet the "point" requirements for it to come up, so my reputation must be holding me up. Right?

[SmokedRWA]

Follow up question to my own unanswered question: Is the reputation check based off of your total amount of reputation (I'm still a little fuzzy as to how this neutral reputation actually works)? Or is it based off of your total amount of Paragon or Renegade points? What is the maximum amount of reputation?

[Adugan]

I think they add up both and use it as a check for one or the other. I just did everything possible before that quest and I was able to convince them. I think it is supposed to be super difficult, you probably have to do 90%+ of all the sidequests for reputation to pass that check.

[raeting]

I'm not sure what the numbers are, but I believe a high paragon -or- a high renegade is enough. Keep in mind, though, that the choice to save both comes after your initial decision.

So, the choice to upload comes up, I chose to "let the geth die", only after did I get the chance to "rally the fleet" and save both.

[SmokedRWA]

raeting wrote...

I'm not sure what the numbers are, but I believe a high paragon -or- a high renegade is enough. Keep in mind, though, that the choice to save both comes after your initial decision.

So, the choice to upload comes up, I chose to "let the geth die", only after did I get the chance to "rally the fleet" and save both.

About where were you in Paragon/Renegade when you made the decision? Because it's my understanding that you may need at least 4-5 bars worth of Paragon or Renegade.

[theenigma77]

I was at a little bit over the 4th bar as a Paragon and I got the check.

[MartialArtsMaster]

Unfortunately reputation is not the only requirement. There's a "peace score" the game keeps track of, and if you don't do the right stuff in ME2, you're screwed.

This was detailed in a much earlier post, but I'll repeat it here.

You have to get either 5, 6, or 7 "peace points." 4 or below and you won't get any other options no matter how high your reputation is.

You get 2 points for destroying the heretics in Legion's ME2 mission, and 0 points for rewriting the heretics.

You get 2 more points if you did Tali's loyalty mission and Tali was not exiled (it doesn't matter if you exonerated her by Paragon Speech, Renegade Speech, rallying the crowd, or by revealing her father's crimes and losing her loyalty. It only matters that the end result is that Tali's loyalty mission is complete without Tali's status being "exile.")

You get 1 more point if you Charm or Intimidate Legion and Tali into resolving their argument; you won't get this point if you side with either of them or the argument didn't happen.

Then there's the ME3 possibilities. If you save Admiral Zaal'Koris vas Qwib Qwib on Rannoch during an N7 mission, you get 1 point. If you do another N7 mission on Rannoch where you destroy a geth squadron, that's 1 point.

Finally, you have to do Legion's ME3 mission where Shepard enters the geth consciousness. No matter how many points you have, if you don't do this mission you can't achieve peace between quarians and geth.

So there are already problems. As you may have guessed, if you rewrote the heretics back in ME2, then 5 is the maximum you can get, which itself is the absolute minimum requirement for peace. So rewriting the heretics means you'll have to work much harder, though if you succeed in that scenario the heretics help you and increase the quarian fleets' strength.

And of course, if you gave Legion's body to Cerberus for example, you can't achieve peace because you miss out on too many points. You can still do the geth consciousness mission since a Geth VI replaces Legion, but you miss out on 3 out of 7 points already (you lose the destroying heretics 2 points, which is still doable since that leaves you with 5, but you also lose the 1 point for resolving the Legion/Tali conflict, which brings it down to 4 and makes peace unwinnable).

Modifié par MartialArtsMaster, 09 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Arokel]

I did everything except for blowing up the heretics and still no peace for me. Poor Legion...

[MartialArtsMaster]

Then it's possible your reputation score wasn't high enough. It won't be high enough if you just do every main quest when it opens; you should also do the sidequests and the quests where you have to scan an artifact from a planet and bring it to someone in the Citadel.

[Arokel]

MartialArtsMaster wrote...

Then it's possible your reputation score wasn't high enough. It won't be high enough if you just do every main quest when it opens; you should also do the sidequests and the quests where you have to scan an artifact from a planet and bring it to someone in the Citadel.

Ah that is probably it.  I did miss a few citadel quests.

[Lacan2]

MartialArtsMaster wrote...

Finally, you have to do Legion's ME3 mission where Shepard enters the geth consciousness. No matter how many points you have, if you don't do this mission you can't achieve peace between quarians and geth.

What is this mission called? I 'm confused.  I tried to do every quest before the main geth quest where you decide between Quarians and geth, and I don't recall this mission.

Modifié par Lacan2, 09 mars 2012 - 07:39 .

[Lacan2]

Bump

[Aesieru]

You'll get 2 other missions on the planet, you can't miss them.

[Da Don Giovanni]

MartialArtsMaster wrote...

Unfortunately reputation is not the only requirement. There's a "peace score" the game keeps track of, and if you don't do the right stuff in ME2, you're screwed.

This was detailed in a much earlier post, but I'll repeat it here.

You have to get either 5, 6, or 7 "peace points." 4 or below and you won't get any other options no matter how high your reputation is.

You get 2 points for destroying the heretics in Legion's ME2 mission, and 0 points for rewriting the heretics.

You get 2 more points if you did Tali's loyalty mission and Tali was not exiled (it doesn't matter if you exonerated her by Paragon Speech, Renegade Speech, rallying the crowd, or by revealing her father's crimes and losing her loyalty. It only matters that the end result is that Tali's loyalty mission is complete without Tali's status being "exile.")

You get 1 more point if you Charm or Intimidate Legion and Tali into resolving their argument; you won't get this point if you side with either of them or the argument didn't happen.

Then there's the ME3 possibilities. If you save Admiral Zaal'Koris vas Qwib Qwib on Rannoch during an N7 mission, you get 1 point. If you do another N7 mission on Rannoch where you destroy a geth squadron, that's 1 point.

Finally, you have to do Legion's ME3 mission where Shepard enters the geth consciousness. No matter how many points you have, if you don't do this mission you can't achieve peace between quarians and geth.

So there are already problems. As you may have guessed, if you rewrote the heretics back in ME2, then 5 is the maximum you can get, which itself is the absolute minimum requirement for peace. So rewriting the heretics means you'll have to work much harder, though if you succeed in that scenario the heretics help you and increase the quarian fleets' strength.

And of course, if you gave Legion's body to Cerberus for example, you can't achieve peace because you miss out on too many points. You can still do the geth consciousness mission since a Geth VI replaces Legion, but you miss out on 3 out of 7 points already (you lose the destroying heretics 2 points, which is still doable since that leaves you with 5, but you also lose the 1 point for resolving the Legion/Tali conflict, which brings it down to 4 and makes peace unwinnable).

I was about to replay ME2 just to kill the heretics, but your right, if I do the heavy lifting, saving the heretics actually helps you, just hard to find that info out, I have the collector guide and it didn't say that.

[Lacan2]

I just want to know what is this virtual reality mission people are talking about? People are referring to it as "Legion's quest where he enters geth consciousness" but I don't remember anything like that and I did every mission on Ranoch.

Modifié par Lacan2, 09 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[SmokedRWA]

I really wish I could check what I did for the Tali-Legion argument in ME2 because I can't remember for the life of me.

Also, can anyone confirm whether or not you need a high Paragon or Renegade score, or just a high reputation overall.

[MrRiadon]

On one of my Shepards, I sided with Tali and persuaded Legion to forgive me. Do I get a reputation point from this or do I have to side with both via persuasion?

[SmokedRWA]

Well I definitely must have missed the check for the ME2 convo between Legion and Tali because I did every possible side mission and all other checks and I still can't get a peace. Sorry Legion.

[macdadams2]

The guide says that if you rewrote the heretics in ME2 then you can't have peace between both sides. So you're saying this isn't true?

This thread would be pretty helpful if it was cleaned up a little. What's this about a legion mission that enters geth consciousness?  And another topic said something about having to warn quarians against the war at the end of the trial in ME2.  

I haven't gotten to this part of ME3 yet, (getting close,) but its the only thing that I have spoiled for myself. I just really wanted to do everything right on this And I rewrote in part 2.

Modifié par macdadams2, 10 mars 2012 - 08:37 .

[theenigma77]

macdadams2 wrote...

The guide says that if you rewrote the heretics in ME2 then you can't have peace between both sides. So you're saying this isn't true?

I can confirm this is false. I rewrote the Heretics and got the Quarians and Geth to live peacefully on Ranoch together.

[JudasMesiah]

MartialArtsMaster wrote...

Unfortunately reputation is not the only requirement. There's a "peace score" the game keeps track of, and if you don't do the right stuff in ME2, you're screwed.

This was detailed in a much earlier post, but I'll repeat it here.

You have to get either 5, 6, or 7 "peace points." 4 or below and you won't get any other options no matter how high your reputation is.

You get 2 points for destroying the heretics in Legion's ME2 mission, and 0 points for rewriting the heretics.

You get 2 more points if you did Tali's loyalty mission and Tali was not exiled (it doesn't matter if you exonerated her by Paragon Speech, Renegade Speech, rallying the crowd, or by revealing her father's crimes and losing her loyalty. It only matters that the end result is that Tali's loyalty mission is complete without Tali's status being "exile.")

You get 1 more point if you Charm or Intimidate Legion and Tali into resolving their argument; you won't get this point if you side with either of them or the argument didn't happen.

Then there's the ME3 possibilities. If you save Admiral Zaal'Koris vas Qwib Qwib on Rannoch during an N7 mission, you get 1 point. If you do another N7 mission on Rannoch where you destroy a geth squadron, that's 1 point.

Finally, you have to do Legion's ME3 mission where Shepard enters the geth consciousness. No matter how many points you have, if you don't do this mission you can't achieve peace between quarians and geth.

So there are already problems. As you may have guessed, if you rewrote the heretics back in ME2, then 5 is the maximum you can get, which itself is the absolute minimum requirement for peace. So rewriting the heretics means you'll have to work much harder, though if you succeed in that scenario the heretics help you and increase the quarian fleets' strength.

And of course, if you gave Legion's body to Cerberus for example, you can't achieve peace because you miss out on too many points. You can still do the geth consciousness mission since a Geth VI replaces Legion, but you miss out on 3 out of 7 points already (you lose the destroying heretics 2 points, which is still doable since that leaves you with 5, but you also lose the 1 point for resolving the Legion/Tali conflict, which brings it down to 4 and makes peace unwinnable).

I did everything in this guide, But when it came time to the end of that I ended up choosing between "Upload the data" or "Destroy the Geth".
But I supposed to have the theoretical 7 points needed to get that option but something went wrong in the end.
EDIT: Except "
N7 mission on Rannoch where you destroy a geth squadron," 'cause I didn't know what it is.

Modifié par JudasMesiah, 16 mars 2012 - 11:43 .

[Eudaemonium]

Da Don Giovanni wrote...

I was about to replay ME2 just to kill the heretics, but your right, if I do the heavy lifting, saving the heretics actually helps you, just hard to find that info out, I have the collector guide and it didn't say that.

It actually doesn't, by my calculation, provided you manage to broker peace and don't take sides. I was worried about this so I read up on it a bit.

Rewriting the heretics in ME2 increases the Geth asset score by +150, however the increased Geth firepower reduces each of the three Quarian fleets by 50 points each (-150).

Similarly, destroying the heretics reduces the Geth asset score by -150, but the decreased geth firepower means the Quarian flotilla has 50 points extra on each fleet (+150).

Therefore the ME2 decision only matters if you side with one or the other in the conflict. If you get both then teh difference balances out.

[demeterschild]

MartialArtsMaster wrote...

Unfortunately reputation is not the only requirement. There's a "peace score" the game keeps track of, and if you don't do the right stuff in ME2, you're screwed.

This was detailed in a much earlier post, but I'll repeat it here.

You have to get either 5, 6, or 7 "peace points." 4 or below and you won't get any other options no matter how high your reputation is.

You get 2 points for destroying the heretics in Legion's ME2 mission, and 0 points for rewriting the heretics.

You get 2 more points if you did Tali's loyalty mission and Tali was not exiled (it doesn't matter if you exonerated her by Paragon Speech, Renegade Speech, rallying the crowd, or by revealing her father's crimes and losing her loyalty. It only matters that the end result is that Tali's loyalty mission is complete without Tali's status being "exile.")

You get 1 more point if you Charm or Intimidate Legion and Tali into resolving their argument; you won't get this point if you side with either of them or the argument didn't happen.

Then there's the ME3 possibilities. If you save Admiral Zaal'Koris vas Qwib Qwib on Rannoch during an N7 mission, you get 1 point. If you do another N7 mission on Rannoch where you destroy a geth squadron, that's 1 point.

Finally, you have to do Legion's ME3 mission where Shepard enters the geth consciousness. No matter how many points you have, if you don't do this mission you can't achieve peace between quarians and geth.

So there are already problems. As you may have guessed, if you rewrote the heretics back in ME2, then 5 is the maximum you can get, which itself is the absolute minimum requirement for peace. So rewriting the heretics means you'll have to work much harder, though if you succeed in that scenario the heretics help you and increase the quarian fleets' strength.

And of course, if you gave Legion's body to Cerberus for example, you can't achieve peace because you miss out on too many points. You can still do the geth consciousness mission since a Geth VI replaces Legion, but you miss out on 3 out of 7 points already (you lose the destroying heretics 2 points, which is still doable since that leaves you with 5, but you also lose the 1 point for resolving the Legion/Tali conflict, which brings it down to 4 and makes peace unwinnable).

According to this list, 

 I should have 2 points for preventing Tali from being exiled, 1 point for using the Charm option to end the argument between them, 1 point for the geth fighter mission (is this not the same as the "mission where Shepard enters the geth consciousness?" The wiki seems to suggest it is) and 1 point for rescuing Admiral Korlus.   

 This brings me to five (I rewrote the heretics), but I didn't get the "peace" option. It can't be my reputation bar because it is 90% full, and the ratio of Paragon to Renegade is probably about 9:1. 

 Anyone have any ideas?

Modifié par demeterschild, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[Phydeaux314]

First up: You want a maxed bar. The exact amounts of paragon and renegade doesn't matter, but you want to have it completely filled. The game doesn't check for "X paragon" or "Y renegade", rather, it checks for the sum total of the two and uses that.

Second, there are a list of requirements.

1. Legion must be alive and loyal.
2. Tali must be alive, loyal, and not exiled.
3. You must have resolved the conflict between them in ME2 at the time using a paragon or renegade selection, not later by talking to them one on one.
4. Admiral Koris must be alive.

Beyond that, it follows a point system. You need 5 points, as far as we can tell, of a total of 7 available.
- Tali being loyal and not exiled nets you 2.
- Resolving the conflict between tali and legion nets you 1.
- Destroying the heretics instead of rewriting them nets you 2.
- Rescuing Koris nets you 1.
- Destroying the fighter base (entering the geth consensus) nets you 1.

[WoWLynnia]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

First up: You want a maxed bar. The exact amounts of paragon and renegade doesn't matter, but you want to have it completely filled. The game doesn't check for "X paragon" or "Y renegade", rather, it checks for the sum total of the two and uses that.

Second, there are a list of requirements.

1. Legion must be alive and loyal.
2. Tali must be alive, loyal, and not exiled.
3. You must have resolved the conflict between them in ME2 at the time using a paragon or renegade selection, not later by talking to them one on one.
4. Admiral Koris must be alive.

Beyond that, it follows a point system. You need 5 points, as far as we can tell, of a total of 7 available.
- Tali being loyal and not exiled nets you 2.
- Resolving the conflict between tali and legion nets you 1.
- Destroying the heretics instead of rewriting them nets you 2.
- Rescuing Koris nets you 1.
- Destroying the fighter base (entering the geth consensus) nets you 1.

This ^

And even if you didn't have the reputation necessary, but you did have the amount of points needed, the option would be there, it would just be greyed out. If I remember correctly, there are only two choices at the first conversation option, allow the upload or kill the Geth.  The second conversation choice brings in the actual persuasion option.