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[zenoxis]

This is the internet, people do stuff like this all the time. Bioware knows this and so do we. Telling people to be civilized on the internet isn't going to do anything, we can only hope that Bioware sifts through the actual thought out responses and looks at those instead.

[Lyriq]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Lyriq wrote...

Prince_Valiant wrote...

Lyriq wrote...

Rain Island wrote...

Lyriq wrote...

I feel such affinity for the posters in this thread right now. Let's try and keep this thread on the main page The devs absolutely read these threads, you know.

Seriously they do?

http://social.biowar...ex/9710722&lf=8

Absolutely.

A very polite and unagitated answer. There should be more such replies from BioWare.

See that guy's comment stream. He honestly seems like he's trying to help out the fans (and the overwhelmed devs =P)
http://social.bioware.com/3706288/

Thanks for the link, mate. These are very calm and blant answers, even if they do not clean the mess. But they fits the style in which we should discuss this affair.

Just doin' my part, spread the word :happy: I am going to bed now though... Good night BSN, maybe there'll be some good news tomorrow

[Drayvenn]

There is far too much venom going around right now against Bioware right now. Although I personally feel incredibly let down by the ending of this game there is no point in personal attacks or hateful comments.
Constructive criticism is what is needed and civil discourse or otherwise we will all be ignored.

[deimosmasque]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

By and large, most of the posts here aren't insulting. They're frustrated, often hurt, but usually not full of seething hatred. Or maybe I'm too used to spending time on the World of Warcraft boards, and this place is genuinely peaceful in comparison.

Regardless, a lot of us have said "this is absolutely amazing, except for the end" - and that part of why it hurts so much is because it WAS so good.

You are right for every "The Endings... Really?" and "Hardcore RPG Player Honest Review" there are at least three posts, if not threads defending Bioware, even when the descion is not something the poster likes.

The problem right now is the people who are being passive-aggressively snide.  They post in any thread that talks about those great moments with Mordin, Wrex, Thane, Legion, Garrus... who or whatever.  They post about "Oh yeah, that was okay but wait 'till you get to the ending."

You know what, I've watched all the endings on youtube, a week before the game was released.  Yet my femShepard is going through it.  And I even know what ending she'll choose.  It's going to be hard.  It's not what I, personally, want for her....

But pure vitrol is crap.  Ask the One Million Moms who it works when freaking Bill O'Reily turns on them.  Ask PETA when they go pure hate how much support they get outside of their organization.

Truth is, be reasonable, be elequoant and sound like your willing to compromise.

You get a lot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

[Dangerfoot]

This is the internet.

No matter how sensible your opinion is, there are hordes of people ready to make you look like an idiot/jerk by arguing your perspective poorly and rudely. You just gotta keep collected and let people hear that you aren't satisfied but you also aren't crazy.

[deimosmasque]

Dangerfoot wrote...

This is the internet.

No matter how sensible your opinion is, there are hordes of people ready to make you look like an idiot/jerk by arguing your perspective poorly and rudely. You just gotta keep collected and let people hear that you aren't satisfied but you also aren't crazy.

This.  Put much better than I could.

[cure1ightwounds]

It's easier to catch flies with sugar than vinegar.

Honestly I just want a happy end. I'll do anything if it gets me closer to it. Be mean. Be nice. Put a shoe on my head.

[Qutayba]

There's a fine line between criticism and attack. I feel disappointed about the ending, too, but it's because I love the game and the story and Bioware itself. I think they ought to know the feeling of fans, but threatening, mocking, or cursing the dev staff is rude and counterproductive.

[deimosmasque]

I can't wait till I beat the game if only so I can stop sitting on the fence with the ending issue.

[lavosslayer]

I also feel that there should have been more resolution with the characters and Shepard...I mean taking the Matrix route was just lame and sadly totally predictable. I had a feeling it was gonna end with Shep sacrificing himself for the greater good...but I honestly hate that all three endings are similar when it comes to Sheps demise.

Why not have a happy ending with Shep and his LI hooking up and hanging out with his pals on Earth? Instead of Sad Ending, Depressing Ending and Even More Depressing Ending as choices...

Bioware...please, do something about this..Jack and I were gonna get our freak on afterwards...and now...

[TheGoddess0fWar]

Guess I'll have to play again to not hate it so much.

Modifié par TheGoddess0fWar, 10 mars 2012 - 04:26 .

[Maialeth]

I don't understand all the RAWRH8U thrown out at Devs. You know, I totally respect that they put alot of work into this.. I /know/ they didn't expect to see the endings so disliked... so hated. And you know what.. Maybe it's just me but... I can imagine some have taken it personally and are probably quite disappointed, or hurt that what they thought was their awesome endings were..so far off and disliked. I feel bad for them in a way. At the same time.. I /am/ angry about the endings, I don't like them. But there is a way to state that fact respectfully and politely, while still being firm about your views of the issue. You get better results that way too, if you go in slinging... you're going to get ignored. If you go in with well thought out reasons and being polite.. Then.. You're more often taken seriously.

[Razgriz9327]

Dangerfoot wrote...

This is the internet.

No matter how sensible your opinion is, there are hordes of people ready to make you look like an idiot/jerk by arguing your perspective poorly and rudely. You just gotta keep collected and let people hear that you aren't satisfied but you also aren't crazy.

Even among the internet, this is not acceptable... These devs have poured their souls into this game, and deserve a standing ovation for the vast majority of it. I actually applaud them for trying to think outside the box of "happy ending everyone wins yay!"  Even if the ending is not what we wanted, respectful replies are vital if we want to keep their goodwill. No dev will want to work on another ending if they are depressed by personal attacks

[Shssay-san]

I agree entirely.  I felt so bad for Mike Gamble when I read some of the tweets people sent to him.  Whether you like the game's ending or not, you've got to admit that these people worked really hard to give us a great game.  How many people asked for a romance between Joker and EDI on these forums?  They got it.  How many people asked for interactions between Shep and the crew that let the player know that they really were friends?  They got it.  How many people asked for more same sex options?  They got it.  BioWare listened to their fans and they tried to give us what we wanted.  I can't think of very many other companies that do that. 

I can understand feeling disappointed in the ending.  I was too.  The implications of what happened are incredibly depressing and I don't like thinking that that's really how this amazing story ends.  But having problems with the game's content does not give you license to make personal attacks against the people that worked on it.  I don't understand why so many people are lashing out as if the development team were making a personal attack on them.  Looking at the rest of the game, do you really think any of the development team was sitting around wondering how they could disappoint their fans the most?  Not likely.  Take a Valium and calm down. 

The other snide comments speculating that BioWare fudged the ending so they could make more money with DLC are pretty low as well.  If all these people cared about were money, they'd be stock traders or Wall Street executives. They're artists. They're working in this industry because they love to create; they love to tell a story, whether it's through art, or writing, or music.  Most of them probably love these characters as much as we do.  Maybe even more so, because they've devoted a lot more time to them than even the players have.  Implying that they don't care about their creations, that they're simply motivated by avarice, is incredibly insulting and unjust. 

So yeah, I understand why people are upset.  I was too.  Like you, I'd love some DLC or expansion that answers the many questions that these endings left us with.  But dial it back a bit.  Have some consideration for the people who worked so hard on this story.  They were working for you, and bad ending or not, the vast majority of you would have to admit that they gave you countless hours of entertainment.  My life would have been a lot less rich if I'd never met Shepard, or Kaidan, or Garrus, or Wrex.  Yours would too. 

And yes, I realize that the Internet is a breeding ground for hostile, ignorant people to vent their spleens.  But if they get to, I should get to as well.  I'm not really writing this for them.  I know people like that aren't likely to listen to any opposing viewpoints.  Like Lyriq said, the developers pay attention to these forums.  I'm writing this so they know that not all of their fans think that they maliciously went out of their way to disappoint or cheat us.  That a lot of us appreciate all of the hard work that went into this game.  

I loved 99% of Mass Effect 3.  I'm on my third play-through because it was so much fun to play and the characters touched me so deeply.  Considering all of the vitriol I've seen lobbed at BioWare on various sites across the Internet, I think it's important that they hear from fans who don't feel so hostile, even if they are disappointed in the ending.

Okay...rant over.  I think my spleen is sufficiently vented for now.

Modifié par Shssay-san, 10 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[John Locke N7]

we have broken steel, we can have a "broken fields, or broken mass relays"

or better yet, "citadel broken" or something....... some DLC

[John Locke N7]

im proud of the game that they made.

They gave me EVERYTHING i wanted. And all i wanted was great combat, and better RPG elements. For me the game is atleast stand stall right up there with mass effect 1, just like ME2 SHOULD have done.

But regardless. that is ending is bad, and a ending patch DLC would only make the game better

[jake21221]

I enjoyed it so much up to the very last half of the ending it killed any anger I would of usually had. I'd be lying though if the ending hasn't completely killed my interest in getting my main femshep through it. Theres just...too little reward for so much work.

Still, congratulations Bioware on making one of the finest games I've ever played. Even if it does crap itself a bit in the end.

[falloutgod13]

Calm down? I think not!

"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

[Sereaph502]

People are just crazy in general. I may not like the endings at all and hope Bioware gives us a "proper" ending, but I'm not going to run around screaming at them about it.

[moteh]

Totally in agreement here. There's enough awesome in the game to keep me replaying, I'll just never play those endings again until they make new ones (a la Broken Steel for Fallout 3). I also find many of the people being insulting towards Bioware employees funny, they are complaining about horrible endings and how they could write better but they don't (first step to being a decent writer is grammar after all).

[Adsinjapan]

Prince_Valiant wrote...

In one thing op is right: no hate for persons, no insults against persons, but all "hate" for this miserable ending. If I could, I would send a huge army of care bears to Edmonton.

Looks like a pink James Vega

[GholaHalleck]

I'm enjoying the game on the whole, they really did put a ton of work and love into the bulk of the storyline and play.

That said, I'm not liking the endings. There's not enough... wiggle room. You, The player, lose too much. I don't mind an ending where shepard dies, I DO mind it when EVERY ending has my team shunted off to Gilligan's Planet with no hope of rescue.

You should feel sad, but not soul-crunchingly sad. I want to see them understand the furvor of their playerbase and give us an addon a la "broken steel" that allowed us to say... Refine the Catalyst so it doesn't blow the Relays when the signal goes out. The Catylist is a child, surely it's not fully developed.

Paragon path can have Shepard take the child catalyst to the "Blue" station, "Merge" with it, and have it grow into a full adult, that takes the bullet and jumps into the middle "Green" station instead of shepard, the refined programming allowing it to shut the Reapers down without destroying the Relays.  

Renegade path can have shepard walking ot the Green station, but instead of jumping in, Shep turns around and guts the child with his Omniknife and "Downloads" it. Twisting the Catalyst (Perhaps TiM had a backup plan, something he figured out from the collector base?) and then stabbing it into the "Red Station" shutting down every AI.

It leaves the massive destruction, the loss of life and shattered planets, but it gives hope that the galaxy can be rebuilt, that everyone who joined forces can live togther in harmony. insted of everyone fighting for Sol's resources with every weapon the galaxy could bear in the same system, stuck there forever.

Lyriq wrote...

I completely agree. There's too much BioWare hate going on. Take a look at what George Lucas has said recently: "Why would I make any more (Star Wars films), when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?" Negative emotions will not win the day here. 

To be fair, making Lucas stop directing movies is honestly a win for the world. Let him go back to producing and keep him as far from the set as humanly possible.

[jake21221]

To add to the Lucas point it's also not like Bioware completely destroyed the franchise like Lucas. It's a FANTASTIC game that just loses it in the last 10 minutes of a 30+ hour experience. It can be fixed where as Lucas just completely missed the mark with the prequels. However that quote of his does make me feel terrible every time I read it.

[thavleifrim]

60 hours of amazing game play and great diverging storylines, and the best they could come up with for diverse endings is do you want a red green or blue energy pulse....its pathetic.