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[KillerJudgement]

Zeju wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

I disagree. I think 3 games worth of variables has boxed them into a point where it's become impractical for them to continue. But I will always hope. If only a little.

Honestly, they can continue the choices, they're still there, even if they choose not to it's still viable they'd release a possible ME4 with no previous choices.

But I agree with OP, they're not done yet. The Reaper Master Control AI created the Reapers, but who created that? There's so much we still dont know about them, and they're not beaten yet. In some situations, they survive. We could be looking at a new main character for Mass Effect similar to Hawke and DA2.

Think of it in these simple terms, 'John' Shepard was always a Shepard, 'I'll tell you a story of the Shepard'. Literally. You all know what the word Shepard means, he was 'Shepard to his flock', he united the galaxy, hell of a thing to do. In some situations he's dead, in some he's not. So.

For example, and this is my method of thinking, even in situations like where Shepard died, (absorbed into the Reaper mainframe), he lost his physical being per se, but he's Reaper tech, do we really think it's beyond their ability to reconstruct him? Destroyed; in most situations he survived, right?

Anyway I'm just guessing and grasping at straws, I want more of this story, pretty sure everyone does.

My thoughts exactly. Up until the end of ME3 everyone thought the Reapers were simply so evolved that their level of though was too high for us to understand what they were doing, and why they were doing it. However, in those last moments, the catalyst says "The reapers are mine, I control them. They are my solution" which raises the question; how did the reapers become the puppet of the catalyst?

There's so much we don't know aside from speculation. BioWare has nothing else to do with the Mass Effect series except expand upon it. Even the staff has said that "if we knew what they had planned, we'd keep our copy of ME3 forever" (paraphrased).

[majormajormmajor]

Don't call anyone an idiot if you apparently have no clue of time dilatation. Yes, seen from the perspective of the universe, it might take centuries, but from the subjective perspective of the pilots, it'll be much less. Enough to have a great deal of the fleets arrive alive.

...to homes where everyone they've ever known is dead (unless you're asari) and societies that have evolved beyond recognition. For some this can be a fate worse than death- assuming they even have enough supplies to make it. The ships are likely provisioned on the assumption of there still being instanteous transit via the relays- they are carrying enough for short journeys.

Do you even think before posting? I find it hilarious you bring up time dilation without mentioning one of the most pervasive tropes involving it in fiction, that of the tremendous temporal, cultural and psychological disconnect of those experiencing it and those not.

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 09 mars 2012 - 12:11 .

[Adsinjapan]

KillerJudgement wrote...

Adsinjapan wrote...

Hey everybody, so again I've only just finished playing ME3 an hour ago so things are still a little fresh in my mind, but y'know the Synthesis ending right?

Well...did Shepherd get entirely vaporized when he fell into the light?
I forget what I actually saw. Sure, he got a little toasted, but I don't see him disintegrate.

Sorry if this sounds a little weak, but I'm still trying to keep my hopes up here.

Currently, the ONLY way to see shepard live is through the destruction option, and that's only if you have 4k+ military strength and save anderson, or 5k strength.

Damn, there goes that hope then. 
I was holding out that maybe there'd be some way he could be reconstructed...or something.
Instead I'm left with the Matrix 3 ending.

[lurker541]

How about this:

3 DLCs over the next ~year, one for each ending. In each one will bring closure/explanation for what happened next in the me universe based on what you picked. Paragon/synthesis you play as a squad member, renegade you play as shepherd if she lived or a squadi if he died.

Not sure what they would do with joker and the Normandy party, but I don't get paid to come up with this stuff.

If you choose an ending with dlc that's not out yet, then you return to the Normandy or game+ like now.

Thoughts?

[Pamine]

The story he's been telling was all happening before the end of the galaxy. That means his "one more story" is more stuff about Shepard, not things that happen after.

Also, even if there is a way to save Shepard (you need the best ending AND all the preparedness you can get) you're on the citadel... and all the technology has been removed... how are you going to get back to your crew?

Not gonna happen.

[Zeju]

Pamine wrote...

The story he's been telling was all happening before the end of the galaxy. That means his "one more story" is more stuff about Shepard, not things that happen after.

Also, even if there is a way to save Shepard (you need the best ending AND all the preparedness you can get) you're on the citadel... and all the technology has been removed... how are you going to get back to your crew?

Not gonna happen.

Incorrect, all AI and Synthetic Life has been removed. Technology is fine, the Normandy would fly normally once repaired.

P.S. Wow, I just sounded like EDI. 0.0 Sorry.
P.P.S. Also, just realised on the subject of EDI that in certain situations, EDI survives the AI purge, which is why Joker is running from the fight. She survives, and they embrace.

Modifié par Zeju, 09 mars 2012 - 12:43 .

[Cody211282]

lurker541 wrote...

How about this:

3 DLCs over the next ~year, one for each ending. In each one will bring closure/explanation for what happened next in the me universe based on what you picked. Paragon/synthesis you play as a squad member, renegade you play as shepherd if she lived or a squadi if he died.

Not sure what they would do with joker and the Normandy party, but I don't get paid to come up with this stuff.

If you choose an ending with dlc that's not out yet, then you return to the Normandy or game+ like now.

Thoughts?

Why should I pay for something that should have been in the game?

Why should I have to pay more for something just because they killed their own franchise?

It shouldnt be DLC, it should be a damn patch.

[KillerJudgement]

Zeju wrote...

Pamine wrote...

The story he's been telling was all happening before the end of the galaxy. That means his "one more story" is more stuff about Shepard, not things that happen after.

Also, even if there is a way to save Shepard (you need the best ending AND all the preparedness you can get) you're on the citadel... and all the technology has been removed... how are you going to get back to your crew?

Not gonna happen.

Incorrect, all AI and Synthetic Life has been removed. Technology is fine, the Normandy would fly normally once repaired.

P.S. Wow, I just sounded like EDI. 0.0 Sorry.
P.P.S. Also, just realised on the subject of EDI that in certain situations, EDI survives the AI purge, which is why Joker is running from the fight. She survives, and they embrace.

I thought EDI was only seen in the merge ending.

[Pamine]

EDI is NOT seen in that ending, so no it's not just the reapers, EDI is destroyed in that ending as well.

As for repairing the Normandy, that didn't happen, otherwise why would that old man with the child talk about this legend, instead of being back on earth?

[lurker541]

We can worry about it being paid or free dlc later, along with if it should be on the disc (along with the prothean), im just looking for a way to salvage the ending...

Inevitable dlc is inevitable. We're talking about EA here... I think mid game dlc sucks, after all, it won't make any difference other than war assets if the ending stands as is.

We fight for endgame dlc, or we die.

[Cody211282]

lurker541 wrote...

We can worry about it being paid or free dlc later, along with if it should be on the disc (along with the prothean), im just looking for a way to salvage the ending...

Inevitable dlc is inevitable. We're talking about EA here... I think mid game dlc sucks, after all, it won't make any difference other than war assets if the ending stands as is.

We fight for endgame dlc, or we die.

I would love for them to fix the endings, oh god would i love that.

But I just don't see it ever happening, the endings killed the series for me and I don't see how they could ever go in and fix it. God knows they wont get all the VAs back and redo all the dialogue.

[K_Tabris]

Mass Effect 4 will begin with the child in the epilogue all grown up developing Mass Effect drives.

Unless they made a linear shooter about the First Contact War, all possible endings effectively illed the franchise.

[KillerJudgement]

Cody211282 wrote...

lurker541 wrote...

We can worry about it being paid or free dlc later, along with if it should be on the disc (along with the prothean), im just looking for a way to salvage the ending...

Inevitable dlc is inevitable. We're talking about EA here... I think mid game dlc sucks, after all, it won't make any difference other than war assets if the ending stands as is.

We fight for endgame dlc, or we die.

I would love for them to fix the endings, oh god would i love that.

But I just don't see it ever happening, the endings killed the series for me and I don't see how they could ever go in and fix it. God knows they wont get all the VAs back and redo all the dialogue.

Worse comes to worse, they can simply rewrite the last 10 minutes of the game. It's mainly cinematic anyway, so it's not like they will have to make a whole new level.

If it came down rewriting it, they should just make it so that a "disable" signal is spread throughout the galaxy when Admiral Hacket says "The crucible isn't firing, it must be something on your end." Reapers disabled, Normandy picks up Shepard, BW can salvage their franchise... OR they can stick by their guns and release something even more epic based on these endings.

[Zeju]

Pamine wrote...

EDI is NOT seen in that ending, so no it's not just the reapers, EDI is destroyed in that ending as well.

As for repairing the Normandy, that didn't happen, otherwise why would that old man with the child talk about this legend, instead of being back on earth?

No clue mate, but EDI is seen in certain endings and she IS the ship, so if she survived, I would wager the Normandy survived. Although technecially the entire ship should be destroyed, but if the AI core was unscathed she would be fine so.. Kinda disproves my point..

[djneohlp]

just a little mindplaying..
what if that whole end didnt really happen except in the mind of shepard and that surviving cutscene happend directly after shep was hit by the reaper beam?
would make some sense if you take some paralells to the nightmare scenes...
the "kid", that slow moving...
(yeah i know that could be explained by the servere injuries... but thats a "what if")

Modifié par djneohlp, 09 mars 2012 - 01:18 .

[Zeju]

djneohlp wrote...

just a little mindplaying..
what if that whole end didnt really happen except in the mind of shepard and that surviving cutscene happend directly after shep was hit by the reaper beam?
would make some sense if you take some paralells to the nightmare scenes...
the "kid", that slow moving...
(yeah i know that could be explained by the servere injuries... but thats a "what if")

Possible. That's what frustrates me most, there ARE ways to lead the story off to ME4, it isnt so cut off that they couldnt write on, or continue a plot, it's actually very open, theres a million possibilities, but they're ignoring them.

[djneohlp]

Zeju wrote...

djneohlp wrote...

just a little mindplaying..
what if that whole end didnt really happen except in the mind of shepard and that surviving cutscene happend directly after shep was hit by the reaper beam?
would make some sense if you take some paralells to the nightmare scenes...
the "kid", that slow moving...
(yeah i know that could be explained by the servere injuries... but thats a "what if")

Possible. That's what frustrates me most, there ARE ways to lead the story off to ME4, it isnt so cut off that they couldnt write on, or continue a plot, it's actually very open, theres a million possibilities, but they're ignoring them.

agreed
since i'm finished the game wednesday morning i think of how this whole mess gets sorted out...

[JadeEffect]

MissNet wrote...

they killed my shepard and everyone i care about was stuck on some forsaken planet and relays are destroyed.
this is not mass effect anymore. i don't see the point of playing the game. Middle-game DLC? who cares, that doesn't change ending. Post-End? bhahahaha.... yep.

Yeah I agree.  That happened to me as well..  Everyone I loved or cared about are stranded on some planet? That sucks, I feel bad for my love interest the most thought...

[Thormgrim]

I completely agree with Adsinjapan.
Sure Bioware wanted to end the storyline around shephard, but had it to be this way? I remember him saying to Anderson that he's gonna retire after this. A small house on Rannoch with Tali, or ie. other LI endings, would that've been so much to ask?
I'm just disappointed that Bioware encouraged us to build ties to our shephards and the other characters in the ME Universe and now cuts them without proper explanation.
And regarding the "the endings are not so bad after all" thing, I've been reading in the forum. Well sure the Galaxy survives somehow, but without Mass Relay Travel its back to pre space era.
The higher races are mostly hopeless because they relied on that Mass Relay Travel. So it is as we hadn't stopped the Reapers at all, only that the Mass Relays are destroyed aswell ( is that better? ), only the lower Races and some small colonies of the higher races would be able to survive. And there's no hope of an Galactic Community what so ever. If they'll ever be able to create ships that travel as fast as Mass Relay Travel is highly unlikely....

That said, I'm not angry, but deeply and utterly disappointed that a wonderful gameseries ( which still is the most awesome gameseries to date, with background so vast its crazy ) has come to a such abrupt and unsatisfactory end

[picodeath123]

Anything is possible,
While I can't say I hated the ending, it was pretty good depending on how you look at it. Sacrificing yourself so that endless lives will be saved for the rest of time seems like a good way to die. I think the problem I have right now is the lack of closure. My character romanced tali and I would've liked to see him survive to retire to her world and live happily ever after(still holding out hope for some dlc to provide some more closure, or some "aftermath" content if you survive) but we will see how it goes.

Never can tell what they will do, technically you can end the mass effect story at 2 if you die so it is still possible for some kind of post story content or some filler before hand.

Another shot in the dark would be them rewriting the ending completely to appeal everyone and we just forget that the ending was as it is using the line from the old guy where he says a lot of the details have been lost and assuming that the way he told the ending was untrue due to misinformation >.>

[ladyvader]

SnakeSNMF wrote...

1)

There will be no Mass Effect game with Shepard anymore, thus no "ME4."

2)

Refer to one.

Yes, this is the end of Shepard, but that does not mean there isn't more stories to tell.  Those stories could be ME4.

[thepaladin1]

AxisEvolve wrote...

thepaladin1 wrote...

canon will be the control ending. most likely so end of the line for shepard.

Huh? Why would the renegade ending be canon? 

Because canon shepard is quite the dick

[Shadowscythe85]

I see the series going forward either in a similar fashion like Halo is doing (new trilogy with same characters and some nonsense to explain things.) or like Fable III (in the future with either offspring of Shepard or another character named Shepard possibly related somehow) or like The Old Republic (set centuries in the future with all new characters).

This won't be the last game set in the ME universe and really, the writers can come up with any plot device they wish to explain the setting of future games. The idea that the Stargazer has another story to tell I think means either post-ending DLC or that somehow Shepard lived and continued saving this or that which would be ME4 and beyond. When they said it was the end of Shepard's story, I guess I figured that they meant it was the end of Shepard's battle against the Reapers, not the last story involving Shepard.

[Rhayth]

Cliffhanger was the key word used in the OP. This was Shepard's last game...we were prepared for an end.

Maybe even to be fair we're so spoiled in being able to effect the outcome that when finally presented with "There is nothing you can do to conventionally save the universe" we went all TROLL BULL**** on the board.

But this kind of response should have been anticipated by the designers. I'm smart enough to know what they tried to convey, but I also know that like DA2 no matter what I couldn't stop ignorance from rearing it's stupid ugly head. I just got done talking TIM out of stupidity just to be faced with another hard headed equally ignorant piece of AI refusing to believe that synthetics and organics could co-exist.