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[LeBurns]

poofpoof wrote...

It got "review bombed" because it didn't live up to the expectations right? If you see a big discrepancy between critc scores and user scores at metacritic it's a sure sign of something being wrong with the game. 

I don't know of any game that had more expectations than Skyrim, yet look at it's scores.  It did get plenty of bad user scores, but most of those were from people who had never played a sandbox game and had no idea what to expect.  They were wanting an action based dragon slaying game, but got a world to live in instead.

ME main world mostly stayed intact from ME1, ME2 and ME3.  There was nothing like the artstyle and combat overhaul that DA2 gave to that franchise (changes the fans never asked for or wanted).

BioWare did not feel the need to seek out new ME fans like they did for the DA universe, though they did add MP to rope a few I assume.  But the whole idea of the choices given to the player and the way those choices could change the game world and could give or take new options.  It was incredible, no other series of games did it any better IMO.  But to take all of that away at the end without even an appology is just unacceptable.  Who could really thought that was a great idea?

[Doctoglethorpe]

nevar00 wrote...

Although I'm loving the game so far, I'd still take the user scores far more seriously than the critic scores on any big game release like this. At least the users can't be paid off.

They can't be payed off but they can the entirely unprofessionsal, pander to opinion fads and even completely falsify everything they say while never even playing the game with not a scent of responsability. 

[neubourn]

Taciter wrote...

poofpoof wrote...
It got "review bombed" because it didn't live up to the expectations right? If you see a big discrepancy between critc scores and user scores at metacritic it's a sure sign of something being wrong with the game. 

...and this^, quite simply, is the point I'm trying to make - we ignore criticism at our peril. Take the example of the restauranteur who wonders why his once lucrative business is now bereft of patrons - no one ever complained as far as he can recall and those who did were complaining about silly, trivial things. His loyal patrons stayed with him right to the end, even when he was reduced to serving baked beans on toast.

First of all....BALONEY.

BioWare is one of the few developers that actually engage their fans, they do so via the BioWare Social Network, perhaps youve heard of it? Theyve spent the past year or so listening to us, getting our input to help them design the game, the same way they did with ME2. There are NUMEROUS examples of things suggested by users (fans) that BW adopted into their games for us. 

Secondly....BioWare can and will ignore any criticism. Why? Because its a business, and the bottom line is the almighty dollar. 

You want to know WHY the review bombs and the criticisms for DA2 worked? Because it actually HURT their sales. This is why you can pretty much expect DA3 to be a vastly different experience when it comes around.

ME3 is a totally different animal. It isnt hurting for sales, as evident by the lack of CEs, as well as the hype and anticipation. Go ahead...show me some numbers that demonstrate how ME3 was significantly hurt in sales because of 447 user reviews on Metacritic. Ill wait.

[Freakiq]

Taciter wrote...
I hope you're not including me in that statement, seeing as I haven't 'slammed' anything, apart from indifference to criticism.

I never meant to include you. :happy:

[Taciter]

neubourn wrote...
Secondly....BioWare can and will ignore any criticism. Why? Because its a business...

lol... <sigh> ...to be so young and naive again!

[brunomalta]

Also, is i stated elsewhere. Most of the real low scores comes from people who expected a different ending. This backlash sure was expected from Bioware.

[Taciter]

Freakiq wrote...
I never meant to include you.

Then I apologise for my indiscretion!

Modifié par Taciter, 09 mars 2012 - 03:02 .

[Haartian]

brunomalta wrote...

Also, is i stated elsewhere. Most of the real low scores comes from people who expected a different ending.

One that does make any logical sense, preferably. With a tiny bit of intelligently written scenario, please.

[Mojenator12345]

Taciter wrote...

scores of 10/10 and 100%? Have you ever as far as you can recall ever played a game that was perfect in every way?

I'm not sure why people in these threads always insist that a 10/10 rating means that a game is perfect in every way.  I've played hundreds of video games.  None of them has been perfect in every way.  But I should think that any game that makes into my top 10 list out of those hundreds of games certainly deserves a 10/10.  I don't really care how games stack up against some theoretical ideal of perfection -- I want to know how it stacks up against other games I can actually play.  I'm about 15 hours in right now, and at this point ME3 is easily in my all-time top 10.  I'll reserve judgment until I finish the game, but at this point the 10/10 ratings don't strike me as out of place.

[Taciter]

Haartian wrote...

brunomalta wrote...
Also, is i stated elsewhere. Most of the real low scores comes from people who expected a different ending.

One that does make any logical sense, preferably. With a tiny bit of intelligently written scenario, please.

Aaahhh yes, I was thinking about that... they may have avoided some of the flack if their script writers had bothered to peruse THIS in their downtime.

[Siven80]

ShadyKat wrote...

People put way too much value in the opinion of the internet these days. If anyone legit believes that ME3 is worst than Duke Nukem Forever, then should never play another video game for the rest of their life.

Agreed.

[Manou1]

I wouldn't give 0/10 for a game just because the ending was bad.. I actually enjoyed ME3 a lot but the ending was the only bad thing about the game for me.

[Mander8384]

neubourn wrote...

Taciter wrote...

poofpoof wrote...
It got "review bombed" because it didn't live up to the expectations right? If you see a big discrepancy between critc scores and user scores at metacritic it's a sure sign of something being wrong with the game. 

...and this^, quite simply, is the point I'm trying to make - we ignore criticism at our peril. Take the example of the restauranteur who wonders why his once lucrative business is now bereft of patrons - no one ever complained as far as he can recall and those who did were complaining about silly, trivial things. His loyal patrons stayed with him right to the end, even when he was reduced to serving baked beans on toast.

First of all....BALONEY.

BioWare is one of the few developers that actually engage their fans, they do so via the BioWare Social Network, perhaps youve heard of it? Theyve spent the past year or so listening to us, getting our input to help them design the game, the same way they did with ME2. There are NUMEROUS examples of things suggested by users (fans) that BW adopted into their games for us. 

Secondly....BioWare can and will ignore any criticism. Why? Because its a business, and the bottom line is the almighty dollar. 

You want to know WHY the review bombs and the criticisms for DA2 worked? Because it actually HURT their sales. This is why you can pretty much expect DA3 to be a vastly different experience when it comes around.

ME3 is a totally different animal. It isnt hurting for sales, as evident by the lack of CEs, as well as the hype and anticipation. Go ahead...show me some numbers that demonstrate how ME3 was significantly hurt in sales because of 447 user reviews on Metacritic. Ill wait.

But why would it hurt their sales now? It was the final to a trilogy and the CEs have been sold out for quite some time. I've been a huge lover of BioWare for awhile now, pre-ordered everything. Now? No. I won't buy another BW game or DLC. 

[bboynexus]

Scores are useless.

They are effective only on a superficial level at best.

[CerberusSoldier]

yeah well the pathetic excuse of journalist called the games media. gave it a free pass . well I am not the game gets a 7.9 from me

[LeBurns]

neubourn wrote...

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ME3 is a totally different animal. It isnt hurting for sales, as evident by the lack of CEs, as well as the hype and anticipation. Go ahead...show me some numbers that demonstrate how ME3 was significantly hurt in sales because of 447 user reviews on Metacritic. Ill wait.

You can throw the first week out really as those are all based on expectations.  I mean I am glad BioWare is making some money.  I do want them to make more games.  I just want them to be a lot better and more thought out.

I recall watching the sales charts for DA2 for the first 10 weeks, and how quickly it bottomed out.  What was more embarising was when the same chart was set side by side to DAO's sales, which actually picked up and remained more or less steady for 10 weeks (comparitively speaking).

ME3's first few weeks of sales will be great.  What will really test it's metal though is to see how many hang around for the DLC's that come later.

As far as BioWare engaging their fans, I don't see it.  There were countless threads by fans discussing what kind of ending they would like to see for ME.  So many of them were very excellent.  But I would be willing to bet that none of them mentioned anything like what we got.  Why?  Because no one would have wanted it.

[Taciter]

Mojenator12345 wrote...

Taciter wrote...

scores of 10/10 and 100%? Have you ever as far as you can recall ever played a game that was perfect in every way?

I'm not sure why people in these threads always insist that a 10/10 rating means that a game is perfect in every way.  I've played hundreds of video games.  None of them has been perfect in every way.  But I should think that any game that makes into my top 10 list out of those hundreds of games certainly deserves a 10/10.  I don't really care how games stack up against some theoretical ideal of perfection -- I want to know how it stacks up against other games I can actually play.  I'm about 15 hours in right now, and at this point ME3 is easily in my all-time top 10.  I'll reserve judgment until I finish the game, but at this point the 10/10 ratings don't strike me as out of place.

Then surely by your own logic, if 10 is a plausibly 'awesome' product, then 0 would be a plausibly 'terrible' product? Personally, I think both scores are absurd but that was never the point.

Modifié par Taciter, 09 mars 2012 - 02:21 .

[Mojenator12345]

Taciter wrote...

Then surely by your own logic, if 10 is a plausibly 'awesome' product, then 0 would be a plausibly 'terrible' product? Personally, I think both scores are absurd but that was never the point.

We're all entitled to our own opinion, and we all have different tastes and preferences in terms of what makes a game fun.  But I do have a hard time believeing that people have played this game and honestly thought that it was one of the worst games they've ever played.  The 0's come off more like an expression of disappointment based on high expectations than an honest evaluation of how the game compares to other video games.  Even if the ending (which I haven't seen) is horrific, I've never made it to the end of a game that I would rate a 0.  Hell, I generally don't even make it out of the beginning of a 0 game.  If you put dozens of hours into a game, there must be something redeeming about it.

[bboynexus]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

yeah well the pathetic excuse of journalist called the games media. gave it a free pass . well I am not the game gets a 7.9 from me

7.9?

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Or even be?

[CombustiblePanda]

Funny things is that most of the negative user reviews were written out before the game was actually released.

I've been with Mass Effect since Day 1 and I certainly feel like this is an improvement rather then a downgrade.

Modifié par CombustiblePanda, 09 mars 2012 - 02:52 .

[Super.Sid]

CombustiblePanda wrote...

Funny things is that most of the negative user reviews were written out before the game was actually released.

I've been with Mass Effect since Day 1 and I certainly feel like this is an improvement rather then a downgrade.

The game is great till the penultimate part and the end makes u disappointed and angry at the end and not out of emotions but due to illogical plot writing and loopholes.It just makes u feel that u got trolled.

Modifié par Super.Sid, 09 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[MingWolf]

LeBurns wrote...

neubourn wrote...

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ME3 is a totally different animal. It isnt hurting for sales, as evident by the lack of CEs, as well as the hype and anticipation. Go ahead...show me some numbers that demonstrate how ME3 was significantly hurt in sales because of 447 user reviews on Metacritic. Ill wait.

You can throw the first week out really as those are all based on expectations.  I mean I am glad BioWare is making some money.  I do want them to make more games.  I just want them to be a lot better and more thought out.

I recall watching the sales charts for DA2 for the first 10 weeks, and how quickly it bottomed out.  What was more embarising was when the same chart was set side by side to DAO's sales, which actually picked up and remained more or less steady for 10 weeks (comparitively speaking).

ME3's first few weeks of sales will be great.  What will really test it's metal though is to see how many hang around for the DLC's that come later.

As far as BioWare engaging their fans, I don't see it.  There were countless threads by fans discussing what kind of ending they would like to see for ME.  So many of them were very excellent.  But I would be willing to bet that none of them mentioned anything like what we got.  Why?  Because no one would have wanted it.

The first week (or two) for DA2 was hype.  There were high reviews, and I believe the sales of DA2, based on the first week alone, far exceeded the units sold for DA:O in the first week.  Then it nose dived, the game got slammed, and it wasn't too long before we saw a price drop.  There was also a "promotion" in the early weeks where they gave ME2 for free with the purchase of DA2.  They say it was a sequel promotion, but I tend to believe it was to push some units out (if I was an executive, that is precisely the kind of strategy I would use to boost numbers on my financial statements.  Giving away digital editions of ME2 would also present minimal cost).  

The first few weeks of ME3 WILL be great.  ME3 is afterall perhaps the most anticipated game of 2012 (#1 last I saw).  If the metal is really rusted though, the game might plunge like DA2.  Will see what happens.

Modifié par MingWolf, 09 mars 2012 - 02:58 .

[Taciter]

Mojenator12345 wrote...
We're all entitled to our own opinion, and we all have different tastes and preferences in terms of what makes a game fun.  But I do have a hard time believeing that people have played this game and honestly thought that it was one of the worst games they've ever played.  The 0's come off more like an expression of disappointment based on high expectations than an honest evaluation of how the game compares to other video games.  Even if the ending (which I haven't seen) is horrific, I've never made it to the end of a game that I would rate a 0.  Hell, I generally don't even make it out of the beginning of a 0 game.  If you put dozens of hours into a game, there must be something redeeming about it.

Agreed, so if one disregards all the 0 and 10's as protests and counter-protests and focus only on 1-9's, hell, make it 4-6, there is still sufficient negative feedback to warrant acknowledgement.

This isn't a reprimand, it's merely a wake-up call. Blind acceptance is no less counter-productive than blind rejection. Personally, I DO think Bioware has lost it's way but not irredeemably so... I just want to see the ol' boy back!

Modifié par Taciter, 09 mars 2012 - 03:00 .

[OriginalTibs]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

neubourn wrote...

Taciter wrote...

Doctor Moustache wrote...
I already know why.  Fanboys score-bomb games for the most childish reasons on that site all the time.  Thats all there is to it.

I admire your resolve - I'm sure that's as good an interpretation as any other.

Riiiiight...because hundreds of "0" scores just scream out "valid user review"

And what makes a 10/10 more valid?

When it comes to reviews, there's no 'valid' and 'invalid'. It's a review, it's what someone thought of the game. Someone's opinion cannot, at a fundamental level, be cast off as invalid.

It might mean something if metacritic polls allowed one vote per metacritic account and limited one account per user, but as it is you can robovote.
 
Metacritic user polls are absolutely meaningless. 

[Tigerman123]

neubourn wrote....

Ohh, I've been waiting for someone to get enough badges XD