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[sunnydxmen]

i just killed those stupid machines there not alive anyway.

[Aesieru]

sunnydxmen wrote...

i just killed those stupid machines there not alive anyway.

Actually by definition of "alive"... they actually are, and Legion is definitely alive.

[Aesieru]

Soundsystem wrote...

In order to achieve peace between the two races, you need to get 5 to 7 points. These points are based on your ME2 and ME3 decisions. If you have 4 points or below, you cannot achieve peace.

-Rewrote the Heretics (0 points)
-Destroyed the Heretics (+2 points)
-Tali is NOT exiled (+2 points)
-Tali has been exiled/You did not do the Loyalty Mission (0 points)
-Resolved Legion/Tali conflict either using the Paragon or Renegade options (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Save the Admiral on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Destroy Geth Squadron on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-Completed Legion's Mission in ME3 (or no peace)

You will need a HIGH reputation for the peace talks. If you rewrote the heretics in ME2 BUT achieve peace, you will gain more war assets, but there'll be less quarians. Also, if you rewrote them, you will face more geth than people who destroyed them, in which they'll face less geth.

The actual Geth Fleet won't tally properly it'll be 300 as opposed to 450 assets.

[sunnydxmen]

Aesieru wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

i just killed those stupid machines there not alive anyway.

Actually by definition of "alive"... they actually are, and Legion is definitely alive.

  no there  not alive there just toys quarians are real people just stupid robots.

[Legion.N7]

sunnydxmen wrote...

i just killed those stupid machines there not alive anyway.

They are moving - they are alive

[Aesieru]

sunnydxmen wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

i just killed those stupid machines there not alive anyway.

Actually by definition of "alive"... they actually are, and Legion is definitely alive.

  no there  not alive there just toys quarians are real people just stupid robots.

You don't know what "alive" means then.

Go look it up.

[Sideshow Jed]

sunnydxmen wrote...

  no there  not alive there just toys quarians are real people just stupid robots.

If they were just stupid robots, the quarians would have just kept telling them to do stuff. There was a war because they're not and the quarians responded poorly to that.

I'm a little surprised I didn't have to put Xen down to make things work, honestly.

[meiwow2]

I have a question, how many points are necessary to achieve peace assuming you lost two points rewriting the heretics and you have enough paragon? 5?

Modifié par meiwow2, 09 mars 2012 - 07:12 .

[Aesieru]

meiwow2 wrote...

I have a question, how many points are necessary to achieve peace assuming you lost two points rewriting the heretics and you have enough paragon? 5?

You can get peace with Renegade I think, neither is good or evil just the way you do it after all.

You need 5.

[SovereignWillReturn]

Funny story about Tali...

So, I'm a Talimancer. I admit
this. So when I romanced Tali in ME3, I did a bedroom scene with her as
soon as she came on board before the events of the Qurian/Geth War.

Then,
while played through the mission, I discovered the Qurians are douches,
and the Geth are not only misunderstood, but opressed and were
violently treated, so, in the end, I sided with the Geth.

So, you know who, Tali dies right?

Well, when I went for the point of no return, and the sex scene shows up, guess who shows up in my cabin?
Tali,
in the flesh. Me and the two other guys, who had watched her die,
couldn't stop laughing. Tali was there, fully alive breathing, throwin'
off her mask and doin' her thing right, and her name was on the list of
dead peoples names, right next to Thane. We double checked her death,
and believe me, she was dead dead dead.

But I had a LIVE Tali show up in my Cabin...is Shepperd the new protagonist of Shutter Island?
or is this such an interesting glitch.

[sunnydxmen]

Sideshow Jed wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

  no there  not alive there just toys quarians are real people just stupid robots.

If they were just stupid robots, the quarians would have just kept telling them to do stuff. There was a war because they're not and the quarians responded poorly to that.

I'm a little surprised I didn't have to put Xen down to make things work, honestly.

when machine is destroy is not the same as when a human die, you know forget im over it i pick the quarians everytime.

[Arlionis]

Soundsystem wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

I had a very high reputation but she killed herself anyway because that option never appeared and no way I was going to keep contributing to the Quarian racism (or specieism ?) towards the Geth. I think that happened because previously I punched the Quarian admiral in the stomach after the Geth dreadnought mission so he wasn't willing to listen to Shepard.

Did you also do the mission to stop the geth fighters?

To get quarian/geth peace you need to have: completed Tali's loyalty mission (with gaining the loyalty), complete Lgeion's loyalty mission, when they fight on the Normandy in ME2 you need to paragon/renegade them. In ME3 you need to save the quarian admiral and stop the geth fighters.

If you killed the heretics instead of rewriting you can get peace without doing the ME3 missions, but otherwise you need them.

You also need to have a paragon/renegade score in the 5th bar. (Maaaybe the 4thmiiiight do it but..)

No, I didn't do it. I guess that was the issue then.

[Aesieru]

sunnydxmen wrote...

Sideshow Jed wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

  no there  not alive there just toys quarians are real people just stupid robots.

If they were just stupid robots, the quarians would have just kept telling them to do stuff. There was a war because they're not and the quarians responded poorly to that.

I'm a little surprised I didn't have to put Xen down to make things work, honestly.

when machine is destroy is not the same as when a human die, you know forget im over it i pick the quarians everytime.

Machines with sentient intelligence are... you are a disgusting person.

[NSGM]

As far as the definition of life, atleast in ME3, the Geth are alive, atleast they are once the reaper code is uploaded. Before that I'd say they are alive as well, but the reaper code actually allows them to function as individuals instead of a collective conciousness. Either way, they're alive.

As far as how many points you need to gain if you re-wrote the heretics, you shouldn't think of it like you lost two points. Instead simply add up the total number of points received for various actions.

I.E.

Tali Not Exiled - +2
Geth Rewritten - 0
Tali/Legion INTERRUPT - +1
ME3 Side Missions (Geth/Quarian) - +2
-- +5

That's the bare minimum of points you need along with a decent reputation score. If you destroyed the geth it'll be much easier, as you can gain the 5 points you need from ME2 actions alone (Destroy, No-Exile, Interrupt). The extra 2 that you can gain via side-missions might be neccesary to gain peace via a renegade interrupt if that is possible.

[Tazzmission]

Legion.N7 wrote...

It relies on higher paragon points. I saved both the geth and the quarians with choosing the paragon outcome option. Which I believe is locked if you play with new char and not ME2 impor, due to your low rep/paragon points.

i have both bars maxed out on my renagon shepard so would this work at all?


also what about tim? do you have to do full paragon choices to prevent him from shooting anderson?

[Train00]

Soundsystem wrote...

In order to achieve peace between the two races, you need to get 5 to 7 points. These points are based on your ME2 and ME3 decisions. If you have 4 points or below, you cannot achieve peace.

-Rewrote the Heretics (0 points)
-Destroyed the Heretics (+2 points)
-Tali is NOT exiled (+2 points)
-Tali has been exiled/You did not do the Loyalty Mission (0 points)
-Resolved Legion/Tali conflict either using the Paragon or Renegade options (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Save the Admiral on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Destroy Geth Squadron on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-Completed Legion's Mission in ME3 (or no peace)

You will need a HIGH reputation for the peace talks. If you rewrote the heretics in ME2 BUT achieve peace, you will gain more war assets, but there'll be less quarians. Also, if you rewrote them, you will face more geth than people who destroyed them, in which they'll face less geth.

What geth squadron? i havent seen any geth squadron.
I imported my ME2 to ME3, i rewrote the heretics, i made sure that tali was not exiled, i resolved their quarrel through paragon, and i saved the admiral. yet i didnt get those options. do you need a full reputation bar to makep peace between them?

[Huttj509]

Train00 wrote...

Soundsystem wrote...

In order to achieve peace between the two races, you need to get 5 to 7 points. These points are based on your ME2 and ME3 decisions. If you have 4 points or below, you cannot achieve peace.

-Rewrote the Heretics (0 points)
-Destroyed the Heretics (+2 points)
-Tali is NOT exiled (+2 points)
-Tali has been exiled/You did not do the Loyalty Mission (0 points)
-Resolved Legion/Tali conflict either using the Paragon or Renegade options (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Save the Admiral on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Destroy Geth Squadron on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-Completed Legion's Mission in ME3 (or no peace)

You will need a HIGH reputation for the peace talks. If you rewrote the heretics in ME2 BUT achieve peace, you will gain more war assets, but there'll be less quarians. Also, if you rewrote them, you will face more geth than people who destroyed them, in which they'll face less geth.

What geth squadron? i havent seen any geth squadron.
I imported my ME2 to ME3, i rewrote the heretics, i made sure that tali was not exiled, i resolved their quarrel through paragon, and i saved the admiral. yet i didnt get those options. do you need a full reputation bar to makep peace between them?

The Geth Squadron is the "Tron" mission.  Before the last Rannoch mission you get 2 side missions, one to save the admiral, and one to take out the Geth squadron attacking the liveships.

If you did not do Legion's "Tron" mission, no peace.

If you're wondering what reputation you need, please state what you had when not getting the options.  I believe all that matters is the total amount, rather than paragon/renegade individually.  Total determines available choices, and the ratio of the 2 determines things like the facial scars, or other things that twig off of how renegade you are.  (BTW, I like this because it doeasn't punish you for splitting your decisions.)

[Notho]

meiwow2 wrote...

I have a question, how many points are necessary to achieve peace assuming you lost two points rewriting the heretics and you have enough paragon? 5?

Then you HAVE to do the two N7 missions on Rannoch before you do the last mission to get help. Also, in ME2 you needed to do both Tali and Legion's loyalty missions without turning the information over to the admirals, and resolved Tali and Legion's argument without losing either's loyalty.

[Notho]

Also, Tali is worth saving, if only for the scene where she gets drunk after Horizon.

Modifié par Notho, 11 mars 2012 - 02:26 .

[jennstall]

If I'm understanding the peace points thing correctly, I'm totally screwed if I got Tali exiled (but still loyal) and also rewrote the Heretics? I have a max reputation and got a paragon interrupt during Tali's swan dive, but I wasn't able to save her. I can't tell if I just didn't hit the interrupt in time or if I was just destined to fail because of my actions in ME2.

Is it a waste of time for me to go back and try that Rannoch mission again?

[DarthSlim108]

Holy crap, Tali kills herself??? Sounds like somebody didn't have enough paragon points. She was just fine in my game.

[ValorOfArms777]

sunnydxmen wrote...

Sideshow Jed wrote...

sunnydxmen wrote...

  no there  not alive there just toys quarians are real people just stupid robots.

If they were just stupid robots, the quarians would have just kept telling them to do stuff. There was a war because they're not and the quarians responded poorly to that.

I'm a little surprised I didn't have to put Xen down to make things work, honestly.

when machine is destroy is not the same as when a human die, you know forget im over it i pick the quarians everytime.

though this is old I'll make a small note- THought is but the expression of life itself a being that is alive is to be sentient and have it's own personal thought humans though born through genetic are in same reason alive as much as your cat is alive and oddly enough in possibility your very own computer ..alive does not mean organic it means to have thoughts feelings and personification the geth were..partially personification through "networking" similar to how we humans talk to one another but they needed to do it to transfer info and learn much like an ant hive another notable thing is bugs themselves are though organic are very machine like in a similar fashion so the question is ...are ant's alive? can machines ...live? can all thought and personification be as such the meaning to life? they arn't techncially a organic infact they are called a synthetic a false fake organic geth arn't just made of "metal" they do have tissue and they can bleed from their hardware in other notes ME3 universe has also establish biomachine interfacings there was once a ship full of AIs some people diliberatly traded their body to become AIs in the realm meaning in all essence in this world Mind is life body is not quite, we are but ghosts in the shell we are a machine we are the most advanced machines on this planet...