Okay, so everyone is desperate so they spend what little resources they have to build this superweapon, that makes sense in context. It did turn out that the willy shaped anntena can destroy the entire mass relay system, so presumbly it is powerful enough against the reapers.
What I don't understand is how why the catalyst all of a sudden decided that harvesting organic wasn't the only option. The galatic species built the thing and towed it to the citadel, so what?
Was it always program to have this response? which would mean the the crucible was designed by the same beings that built the citadel, which would mean that for some reason they decided that anyone that can build it is worthy to be spared, which leads to question of why? Their stupid order vs chaos thing doesn't get solved by the Crucible.
I want to see what other people can come up with to explain how this works
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 04:54
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pprrff wrote...
Okay, so everyone is desperate so they spend what little resources they have to build this superweapon, that makes sense in context. It did turn out that the willy shaped anntena can destroy the entire mass relay system, so presumbly it is powerful enough against the reapers.
What I don't understand is how why the catalyst all of a sudden decided that harvesting organic wasn't the only option. The galatic species built the thing and towed it to the citadel, so what?
Was it always program to have this response? which would mean the the crucible was designed by the same beings that built the citadel, which would mean that for some reason they decided that anyone that can build it is worthy to be spared, which leads to question of why? Their stupid order vs chaos thing doesn't get solved by the Crucible.
I want to see what other people can come up with to explain how this works
I think he is saying it wont work anymore because even if Shepard suddenly died of blood loss or whatever and the Reapers went on to win the Catalyst knows that it is only a matter of time before someone gets as far as Shepard or further.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:10
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Yea, but so what if they got this far. From what can tell people didn't know what to do with it until the catalyst showed up. And if it didn't offer Shepard the choices, the crucible would have just stat there.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:18
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The reapers probably would have taken care of the crucible. They can control the citadel, so they can also probably just detach and destroy the crucible.
What I don't understand...
So the Catalyst wants to keep the cycles going, as it thinks, it is the only way to prevent synthetics from destroying all organic life. It uses the reapers to achieve this.
But where do the plans for the crucible come from? They were there well before the Protheans and the Catalyst didn't seem to be surprised about the crucible. Quite the oposite, it seemed to voluntarily interface with it. I therefore beleive, that the crucible plans were seeded by the Catalyst itself.
But then: why? Why seed the only way of stopping the reapers if you actually want it to go on?
And where does the Catalyst actually come from?
This doesn't make sense.
What I don't understand...
So the Catalyst wants to keep the cycles going, as it thinks, it is the only way to prevent synthetics from destroying all organic life. It uses the reapers to achieve this.
But where do the plans for the crucible come from? They were there well before the Protheans and the Catalyst didn't seem to be surprised about the crucible. Quite the oposite, it seemed to voluntarily interface with it. I therefore beleive, that the crucible plans were seeded by the Catalyst itself.
But then: why? Why seed the only way of stopping the reapers if you actually want it to go on?
And where does the Catalyst actually come from?
This doesn't make sense.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:25
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Andazeus wrote...
And where does the Catalyst actually come from?
From the brain damaged drunk monkeys Bioware had as writers for ME3.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:26
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Andazeus wrote...
The reapers probably would have taken care of the crucible. They can control the citadel, so they can also probably just detach and destroy the crucible.
What I don't understand...
So the Catalyst wants to keep the cycles going, as it thinks, it is the only way to prevent synthetics from destroying all organic life. It uses the reapers to achieve this.
But where do the plans for the crucible come from? They were there well before the Protheans and the Catalyst didn't seem to be surprised about the crucible. Quite the oposite, it seemed to voluntarily interface with it. I therefore beleive, that the crucible plans were seeded by the Catalyst itself.
But then: why? Why seed the only way of stopping the reapers if you actually want it to go on?
And where does the Catalyst actually come from?
This doesn't make sense.
It was implied that is has been something that was past down to every new cycle as some last ditch effort from organics to perserve their freedom and to create their own future. It wouldn't be too surprising that the Catalyst knew of it, but was unsure of its purpose until it docked with the Citadel for the first time...and it then comes to the conclusion of the true determination of organic life to create its own future.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:29
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Yea, but so what if they got this far. From what can tell people didn't know what to do with it until the catalyst showed up. And if it didn't offer Shepard the choices, the crucible would have just stat there.
It just didn't sit there. By docking with the Citadel, for lack of a better word, it "persuaded" the Catalyst with different options to bring balance to the current Cycle.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:42
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It didn't persuade it, it's an inanimate object.
No, the crucible provided new capabilities but had Shephard not been raised in the white light of good dramatic music, nothing would of happened and the Reapers would inevitably win.
Thing is, the Catalyst realized that in some format that a new solution had to be made if someone could get this far and potentially stop the cycle, it was no longer foolproof.
No, the crucible provided new capabilities but had Shephard not been raised in the white light of good dramatic music, nothing would of happened and the Reapers would inevitably win.
Thing is, the Catalyst realized that in some format that a new solution had to be made if someone could get this far and potentially stop the cycle, it was no longer foolproof.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 05:50
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The whole Crucible idea is way beyond idiotic if you think it through.
As i understand the "solution" was invented based on the relays\\citadel builders experience with their own synthetics. This leads to the questions how did they end up with the assumption that this scenario will repeat itself? Despite that it actually did in every cycle how can anyone predict something like that? (the quarian\\geth\\edi situation is a pure prove they were wrong). So they doomed the galaxy with a repeating cycle of mass murder just from making a theory? The more i think of it the more stupid it sounds.
Then comes the crucible.
If that mysterious species that built this idiotic SOB VI kid knew about the Crucible and were actually it's creators all along this makes whole "solution" at least a bit more valid. Any species capable of building one and making it work is going to make their theory proved wrong and they will succeed where builders failed. This actually could've been the long term plan for the species that could build it before they would be destroyed by their own made synthetics. So builders leave the ME technology intact for every cycle and every species risen above by using it get a chance to make things right using the correct tech needed.
As we now know everything happened had already happened before. So when this SOB VI kid sees that geth are created, and their creators are almost made extinct by them - it is the point when the Harbinger is turned on to "save" the day.
So after seeing a milloin years span of the very same events it's, well, understandable that peaceful conclusion with geth\\edi is ignored by the SOB VI kid. (Tho it would've felt nice to rub it in his face).
So the choices are really THE choices whether you want to end the nightmare by synthesis and start everything anew without being destined to evolve in the way of Mass Effect Relays or become the new Catalyst that will guard life from being wiped by synthetics in the future or simply delay the inevitable by destroying the only means to salvation.
But tis all is just my wishful thinking. As the matter of fact i still just thnik that Bioware's writing staff was replaced by brain damaged drunk monkeys and they came up with all this bull nonsense that has no ties within itself and the entire series whatsoever.
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As i understand the "solution" was invented based on the relays\\citadel builders experience with their own synthetics. This leads to the questions how did they end up with the assumption that this scenario will repeat itself? Despite that it actually did in every cycle how can anyone predict something like that? (the quarian\\geth\\edi situation is a pure prove they were wrong). So they doomed the galaxy with a repeating cycle of mass murder just from making a theory? The more i think of it the more stupid it sounds.
Then comes the crucible.
If that mysterious species that built this idiotic SOB VI kid knew about the Crucible and were actually it's creators all along this makes whole "solution" at least a bit more valid. Any species capable of building one and making it work is going to make their theory proved wrong and they will succeed where builders failed. This actually could've been the long term plan for the species that could build it before they would be destroyed by their own made synthetics. So builders leave the ME technology intact for every cycle and every species risen above by using it get a chance to make things right using the correct tech needed.
As we now know everything happened had already happened before. So when this SOB VI kid sees that geth are created, and their creators are almost made extinct by them - it is the point when the Harbinger is turned on to "save" the day.
So after seeing a milloin years span of the very same events it's, well, understandable that peaceful conclusion with geth\\edi is ignored by the SOB VI kid. (Tho it would've felt nice to rub it in his face).
So the choices are really THE choices whether you want to end the nightmare by synthesis and start everything anew without being destined to evolve in the way of Mass Effect Relays or become the new Catalyst that will guard life from being wiped by synthetics in the future or simply delay the inevitable by destroying the only means to salvation.
But tis all is just my wishful thinking. As the matter of fact i still just thnik that Bioware's writing staff was replaced by brain damaged drunk monkeys and they came up with all this bull nonsense that has no ties within itself and the entire series whatsoever.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 06:04
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And, btw, bioware. I want my money back.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:47
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So much left unexplained, if they only added another 15 min of gameplay....
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:52
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Aesieru wrote...
It didn't persuade it, it's an inanimate object.
No, the crucible provided new capabilities but had Shephard not been raised in the white light of good dramatic music, nothing would of happened and the Reapers would inevitably win.
Thing is, the Catalyst realized that in some format that a new solution had to be made if someone could get this far and potentially stop the cycle, it was no longer foolproof.
Yea, but my question so what someone had made this far, it only proves someone manage to build the Crucible. If the catalyst wanted another solution, it could have offered the same choices to anyone at any time, including the protheans. I am missing the link between building a huge hunk to metal to being able to disseminate DNA through out the galaxy. Or for that matter, why didnt the reapers themselves build it and achieve their ultimate evolution.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 08:53
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how come shepard didnt use some medigel. i mean how many times has it brought him back from the brink of death before. hehe
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 09:03
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I liked the idea of the Crucible. A weapon that has been added to an improved from doomed civilizations past to combat the Reaper threat. And since you are playing Shepard in this cycle, I assumed that we would figure it out and pwn some Reaper scum. And in a way, I guess you did.
Yay. Go me.
Yay. Go me.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 09:08
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pprrff wrote...
Aesieru wrote...
It didn't persuade it, it's an inanimate object.
No, the crucible provided new capabilities but had Shephard not been raised in the white light of good dramatic music, nothing would of happened and the Reapers would inevitably win.
Thing is, the Catalyst realized that in some format that a new solution had to be made if someone could get this far and potentially stop the cycle, it was no longer foolproof.
Yea, but my question so what someone had made this far, it only proves someone manage to build the Crucible. If the catalyst wanted another solution, it could have offered the same choices to anyone at any time, including the protheans. I am missing the link between building a huge hunk to metal to being able to disseminate DNA through out the galaxy. Or for that matter, why didnt the reapers themselves build it and achieve their ultimate evolution.
Because they just wanted to keep the AI's from devouring the galaxy / universe.
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 09:31
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Who made the Catalyst?
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 10:07
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This Crucible makes no sense, or I am too stupid to uderstand. I need to go to shrink because me 3 last hour of gameplay messed up my mind haha
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Posté 09 mars 2012 - 11:14
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super4star wrote...
This Crucible makes no sense, or I am too stupid to uderstand. I need to go to shrink because me 3 last hour of gameplay messed up my mind haha
It wasn't bad in concept. It just went from a super weapon created by successive generations of extinct species in their struggle, to some god awful abomination that muddles everything up till that point.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 12:02
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pprrff wrote...
super4star wrote...
This Crucible makes no sense, or I am too stupid to uderstand. I need to go to shrink because me 3 last hour of gameplay messed up my mind haha
It wasn't bad in concept. It just went from a super weapon created by successive generations of extinct species in their struggle, to some god awful abomination that muddles everything up till that point.
I thing crucible makes game less intersting. From the beginning you know what you have to do, There is no suprise at all
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 12:07
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Because the crucible is the disaster which killed the story. The synthesis ending? I wonder why such an ending requires Shepard dissolve himself to do it. Is there anything special in his genes? I don't think so. In addition, if such a solution is so perfect, why had it been done previously? So many questions emerge all because of the stupid crucible thing. Bad writing. Bad story.
