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I'm very sorry to say this, but Bioware you need to be held to account


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Is it within the context of the ME universe though? There's a lot of room between absolute reality and some of it is fantasy and therefore anything goes.


Yes, I'd say it was. Clearly from the beginning, players are introduced to the concept of mass relays and other forms of space travel; kinetic shields - which are impossible in real life; the lazarus project; etc. The MacGuffin in ME3 is also outlined quite clearly from the beginning; in order for it to not make sense, it would have to have miraculously been discovered at the last minute. This isn't the case, seeing as this plot device is something driving much of the plot.

Also, even fantasy literature has certain rules and conditions within the respective fiction. In ME3's case, certain aspects simply aren't that scientific.

That's going to be true for a lot of science fiction, e.g. Star Trek has its transporters and warp drives. They need to establish early on what's their magic and where the known rules of the universe still apply. Mass Effect's exception is what can be achieved with eezo; other things, such as AI, are extrapolations of current knowledge. Straying beyond what either establishes loses suspension of disbelief. How far you can go without crossing that obviously varies from person to person; FWIW the ME3 MacGuffin possibly doesn't fail in that respect from my point of view, but it does fail from being a bit to deus ex machina (i.e. I disagree with it being outlined from the beginning, although admittedly my knowledge is incomplete having being too put off ME3 to play it).



If you play ME3, you see that it's definitely established early on. For spoiler's sake, I won't mention when or how, but it's very obvious. Is it contrived and perhaps a pretty overdone convention of sci-fi? Certainly, and one could say that comes with the territory.

Well, I think it would be fair to say that eezo is most likely their magic. Their ideas of space travel, at least, are reasonable. My chief concern with how this story evolved was how little attention certain elements were given in contrast to others, namely due to popularity contests. These moments in fact made certain moments of the story so uncharacteristic that I was truly upset. But that's the power of a good narrative; we become so invested in it that we have genuine emotional responses. In that way, I can respect a few of the things they did, because they did those things successfully. Other areas, not so much.

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You also kinda said it won't end like lost and give us clarification. Bioware it's one thing kill off a main character but it's a whole other argument when nothing makes actual sense. How did the Normandy get to space and why everyone ditches Shepard? Why can't we refuse the guardians argument? How is destroying the relays into galactic dark age helps prove reasoning behind Shepard sacrifice. sorry but as the stand point of a fan it lacks logic and in the stand point of a writer it lacks anything meaningful. yes it did not end like lost, it began like lost with the Normandy crashing


Try to avoid spoilers please. This isn't the appropriate place to explicitly discuss events in ME3.

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Huh. I've been having a blast. Missing the neutral dialogue option now and then, but noticing more consequences and variables than any other Bioware game I've played. My boyfriend started on the same day as me, and I've mentioned a lot of things that happened in my game that shocked me that played out totally different for him.

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So how are you going to "hold them to account"?

Easy. I will no longer purchse BW products till there is a fix to the ME 3 ending. And I'm sure you'll say yeah right etc. Your choice. In the end Im HUGELY pissed off and frankly BW has broken faith with thier fans ion this. Therefore my $$ will remain in my pocket. This will change and i will once again buy from them if they fix this. Sooner rather than later but ill take what i can get. Either way they need to address this ASAP as ignoring it will just add to the fire


Dude, they didn't recall Dragon Age 2. I doubt they are going to redo the ending.

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Urdnot Grim I edited my last post sorry forgot that this was on the general discussion.

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Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

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mushoops86anjyl wrote...

So how are you going to "hold them to account"?

Easy. I will no longer purchse BW products till there is a fix to the ME 3 ending. And I'm sure you'll say yeah right etc. Your choice. In the end Im HUGELY pissed off and frankly BW has broken faith with thier fans ion this. Therefore my $$ will remain in my pocket. This will change and i will once again buy from them if they fix this. Sooner rather than later but ill take what i can get. Either way they need to address this ASAP as ignoring it will just add to the fire


Dude, they didn't recall Dragon Age 2. I doubt they are going to redo the ending.


Then I can tell you right now, that this is the end of the Mass Effect franchize as we know it. It was a monumental mistake, that they replaced Drew Karpyshyn, the guy who made Mass Effect what it is today. If he doesn't come back and fix this, I don't see myself buying another Mass Effect game.

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Amikae wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Neroteyen wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

So how are you going to "hold them to account"?

Easy. I will no longer purchse BW products till there is a fix to the ME 3 ending. And I'm sure you'll say yeah right etc. Your choice. In the end Im HUGELY pissed off and frankly BW has broken faith with thier fans ion this. Therefore my $$ will remain in my pocket. This will change and i will once again buy from them if they fix this. Sooner rather than later but ill take what i can get. Either way they need to address this ASAP as ignoring it will just add to the fire


Dude, they didn't recall Dragon Age 2. I doubt they are going to redo the ending.


Then I can tell you right now, that this is the end of the Mass Effect franchize as we know it. It was a monumental mistake, that they replaced Drew Karpyshyn, the guy who made Mass Effect what it is today. If he doesn't come back and fix this, I don't see myself buying another Mass Effect game.


End for you, maybe. I stuck by Star Wars after Episode I. This was a freaking masterpiece compared to that.

EDIT: Speaking of Star Wars, one word: EWOKS.

Still a better ending than Return.

Modifié par Moonshadow_Dark, 10 mars 2012 - 01:22 .


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Drew is severing all ties to this company I am sure...

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mybudgee wrote...

Drew is severing all ties to this company I am sure...


Where is this stated ? :(

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Amikae wrote...

mybudgee wrote...

Drew is severing all ties to this company I am sure...


Where is this stated ? :(


I don't know about 'severing all ties', but he *did* leave Bioware a few weeks before this game came out. Relevant? No way of knowing...

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Its time we get a answer on the endings

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mybudgee wrote...

Drew is severing all ties to this company I am sure...



Wouldn't be surprised ever since he saw DA2 not going down the road he originally envisioned. He basically said "I'm taking myself off the project as things here are changing, and I feel uncomfortable with it", but never gave a reason as to why. Well... voila.

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Wouldn't blame him for thinking that

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neenee77 wrote...

I don't understand what your talking about. It is open ended. there are happy endings. they are all different. plus there are different variations depending on your playthroughs. I don't see any false advertising at all.

That's some pretty impressive headcanon, friend.

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Dont bother explaining anything to the Bio drones.
OP your point is valid and correct.

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This thread is highly intriguing. I may have forgotten to recycle my oxygen.

Anyway I haven't finished the game yet, so I may well be on the disappointed side of BSN.

There are a few problems, Shep sometimes talks too much without my input(or simply autodialogue), saying things I don't expect my Shep to say (very bad though, Bioware), the DA 2/Zaaed&Kasumi style dialogue is very annoying though, texture pop in, some terribly low res bits, an example is a close up shot of a Cerberus trooper's helmet(although the N7 hoodie is high res as they come), and clipping. Otherwise so far so good, decisions I made way back in ME 1 are saying h againi, though they're almost always cameos.

I have issues with the pacing of the story and a few other things that will be mentioned in the spoiler section when I finish the game I guess. Long weekend ahoy.


edit : And don't hate on the Vega, seriously, how can anyone hate on him? Sure he may play it a little too close to the jarhead, but he keeps it real. And there's amusing banter to be had.

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wintersborn wrote...

Dont bother explaining anything to the Bio drones.
OP your point is valid and correct.


Love how anyone who doesn't hate the game with a burning passion is a "Bio Drone". If you hate the game so much, why you on the forum DEDICATED TO THE GAME YOU HATE?

Would you not just avoid the places where you people you don't like hang out?

Just leave if you're tired of the "Bio Drone's" and "fanbois" and go make a I HATE BIOWARE forum and go hate over there.

EDIT: Wow, the new zero tolerence stuff is hardcore. Nice Bioware. Wish Blizzard would do this.

Modifié par Moonshadow_Dark, 10 mars 2012 - 02:26 .


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Take your med's and calm down kid your ranting about things no one said.

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I really have no clue how some people are already finished this game. Seeing how it should take 35-40 hours on hardcore difficulty. Do you guys have alot of spare time or do you just rush through the game just to see how it ends?

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Brystone wrote...

I really have no clue how some people are already finished this game. Seeing how it should take 35-40 hours on hardcore difficulty. Do you guys have alot of spare time or do you just rush through the game just to see how it ends?


A great many people got their hands on it, both legitimately and illegitimately, before the official launch date.

Plus, the endings were leaked before launch.

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Brystone wrote...

I really have no clue how some people are already finished this game. Seeing how it should take 35-40 hours on hardcore difficulty. Do you guys have alot of spare time or do you just rush through the game just to see how it ends?


A great many people got their hands on it, both legitimately and illegitimately, before the official launch date.

Plus, the endings were leaked before launch.


I don't know where he got 35-40 hours, I beat the game legitimately on 360 in about 18 while doing every side quest in the game and scanning every planet AND watching every scene. Granted it was the default storyline and I suspect that it would take longer with an import save.... but still 18 hours and some change.

Getting back on topic though, there is a poll about the endings of the game and over 95% of the gamers here are pissed the hell off. That is worse than what happened with Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 combined... yes, there were polls for those games as well but they are long buried now.

Now I am trying my best to stay away from spoilers because I plan to download ME3 saves that have plot markers from ME1+2 that I made during my playthroughs on the computer, so I can carry on my story/s and see where that leaves me BUT due to the enormous amount of very angry responses from most of the fans... I just don't know if I want to put myself through that.

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Brystone wrote...

I really have no clue how some people are already finished this game. Seeing how it should take 35-40 hours on hardcore difficulty. Do you guys have alot of spare time or do you just rush through the game just to see how it ends?


Speed runs and the Casual difficulty setting.

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:sigh:

the decisions you made in me1 help you in me3 expecially with certain people like grunt

if you dont save the queen he dies from what i heard

miranda can be saved only if shes your love interest

zaeed , kasumi, jacob end up as war assets

so far i havent imported a shep with the keep collector base ending yet

decisons of the last 2 games do in fact help better the odds in me3

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Brystone wrote...

I really have no clue how some people are already finished this game. Seeing how it should take 35-40 hours on hardcore difficulty. Do you guys have alot of spare time or do you just rush through the game just to see how it ends?


i finished it lastnight in 20 to 21 hours.  alot of the timed missions is what screwed me badly

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Hey im going to sue the people who made twilight because they said it would be a good movie...


Its an opinion... We all have one grow up your opinion does not really matter.
Im at 20 hours right now... I did not know of timed missions so I may restart it. Im half way through the game...