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[Sunneko]

Shepard bled out afterhitting that button, the platform moving skward into the light sort lets me belive this... That final bit at the end? It was one final morality choice, to determine what happens to shepard in the afterlife.... Destruction = Hell, Control = Hevan, and Synthis = Re=Birth.... Sort of also explains why the Kid there is the same one from back on earth... he is just the one gaurding the gates to the afterlife.

There, and easy way to intrepet the last five minutes, that is not setting th galaxy back to the stone age, and stranding your crew, that alows the crucible to be the giant cannon like we thought.

Modifié par Sunneko, 09 mars 2012 - 05:53 .

[movieguyabw]

...That's still terrible.

[Gowienczyk]

The psychological trauma links it to this being making the most sense; even if it is still pretentious and pseudo-intellectual as heck.

[Sunneko]

movieguyabw wrote...

...That's still terrible.

How so? It alows the crucible to be a reaper destroying cannon, instead of some relay destroying... what ever you would call it, it lets you destroy the reapers without seting civilization back to the stone age.... abit with a bit more losses, but we WERE fighting the reapers, we all knew it was not going to be pretty... and honestly I never expected shepard to live.. just not... destroying all FTL travel in the galaxy.

Modifié par Sunneko, 09 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[Rhayth]

That is ultimately the issue is no choice comes with varying degree's of loss. In all 3 choices you lose Mass Relays required for long distance space travel. The other two Shep dies, and Reapers live (why would you want to let them live if you're still going to lose space travel)

In the end it's all the same cost just who dies or doesn't die. I did destroy cause I wasn't about to let those bastards fly away scot-free for all this bs while we're all stuck on Earth, because either way I was still losing Space Travel

[Gowienczyk]

I still think the character should have the ability to get the ending that character deserves. But yeah, I've commented on the psychological/spiritual theory and it makes the most sense.

[Adsinjapan]

You know, I already kind of assumed that's what the three choices mean't. Sure, control the Reapers and be "good". Destroy them and all the synthetics and be 'bad".

Form Synthesis with all life and be "Matrix 3".

We all know how well that one turns out. It doesn't stop the thing from being ultimately bitter and disappointing, no matter how you look at it though.

This isn't a novel by Steven King where unfortunate endings happen at times. It's FIVE years of our excitement and buzzed anticipation flushed away down the toilet in what is summed up as a choice of three buttons.

[Hokochu]

Unless they fix then ending all of my Shepards die from blood-loss next to Anderson. The crucible destroys the Reapers and the galaxy starts rebuilding. Different scenarios play out for different LI's: knock up Liara and she lives on but most would probably get lasered by Harbinger. Not sure, maybe I'll decide if (and when) I playthrough the game on other Sheps. If I can get over this ****ty ending I might be able to play it again.

[Nefelius]

The whole Crucible idea is way beyond idiotic if you think it through.

As i understand the "solution" was invented based on the relays\\citadel builders experience with their own synthetics. This leads to the questions how did they end up with the assumption that this scenario will repeat itself? Despite that it actually did in every cycle how can anyone predict something like that? (the quarian\\geth\\edi situation is a pure prove they were wrong). So they doomed the galaxy with a repeating cycle of mass murder just from making a theory? The more i think of it the more stupid it sounds.

Then comes the crucible.

If that mysterious species that built this idiotic SOB VI kid knew about the Crucible and were actually it's creators all along this makes whole "solution" at least a bit more valid. Any species capable of building one and making it work is going to make their theory proved wrong and they will succeed where builders failed. This actually could've been the long term plan for the species that could build it before they would be destroyed by their own made synthetics. So builders leave the ME technology intact for every cycle and every species risen above by using it get a chance to make things right using the correct tech needed.

As we now know everything happened had already happened before. So when this SOB VI kid sees that geth are created, and their creators are almost made extinct by them - it is the point when the Harbinger is turned on to "save" the day.

So after seeing a milloin years span of the very same events it's, well, understandable that peaceful conclusion with geth\\edi is ignored by the SOB VI kid. (Tho it would've felt nice to rub it in his face).

So the choices are really THE choices whether you want to end the nightmare by synthesis and start everything anew without being destined to evolve in the way of Mass Effect Relays or become the new Catalyst that will guard life from being wiped by synthetics in the future or simply delay the inevitable by destroying the only means to salvation.

But tis all is just my wishful thinking. As the matter of fact i still just thnik that Bioware's writing staff was replaced by brain damaged drunk monkeys and they came up with all this bull nonsense that has no ties within itself and the entire series whatsoever.

[n3koshi]

Adsinjapan wrote...

This isn't a novel by Steven King where unfortunate endings happen at times. It's FIVE years of our excitement and buzzed anticipation flushed away down the toilet in what is summed up as a choice of three buttons.

I think ultimately, that's the root of my frustration and disappointment. That all the hype about choices and consequences and ultimately it boils down to red, green or blue mass relay explosions, depending on which walkway I chose. Although if you played enough MP, you get a pseudo-"fourth" ending where Shepard comes staggerign out of the rubble.

Oh. Get your replies in quick, they're starting to lock threads discussing the endings.

[movieguyabw]

Sunneko wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

...That's still terrible.

How so? It alows the crucible to be a reaper destroying cannon, instead of some relay destroying... what ever you would call it, it lets you destroy the reapers without seting civilization back to the stone age.... abit with a bit more losses, but we WERE fighting the reapers, we all knew it was not going to be pretty... and honestly I never expected shepard to live.. just not... destroying all FTL travel in the galaxy.

Because it's a fantasy concept in a science fiction title.  At least in regards to the idea of an afterlife.  I'm not going to get into a philosophical/theological debate at the moment, but it's simply not in fitting with the Mass Effect universe.

If it was a psychological issue, where Shepard's hallucinating, and this is what he imagines would happen, then that's a little more believable.  It still doesn't make it a good ending.  Primarily because it's a cop-out.  Showing us what Shepard is hallucinating doesn't bring closure to the story, and doesn't answer anything.  If this is the case, then the entire climax and resolution of the story need to take place before Shepard begins to hallucinate.  This isn't the case, however, because we still have the choice at the end, which is completely inconsequential because none of it is real, and it has no impact on the plot.

Now, should there be an ending where Shepard dies/the Reapers win?  Absolutely.  This is a game of choice, afterall.  Should it be the only ending we get?  Absolutely not.  This is a game of choices, afterall.