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[Templar Fox]

 Hi.   I'm not here to talk about how poor the endings may or may not be (although I'm clearly in the former's camp).  

Instead, I want to talk about how rushed and poorly written the last, 10-20 minutes are.   I was very confused, as things happens far too suddenly.   I'll list them off from when it becomes most confusing.

1) Why do your squadmates whom you take to the final battle mysteriously vanish as you are hit by Harbringer's beam?  I took Garrus and Tali with me, and at the end when Joker crashes the Normandy onto the exotic planet, Tali is right there with him.    

That begs to ask a few more sub questions.
a) When did she get back onto the Normandy?  If Joker had come to pick her and everyone else up, why didn't he take Shepard's body too?
Why didn't he stay around or follow him up to the Citadel? (more on this later)
c) How much time passed?  Was it concievable for the Normandy to come, or did it happen all too fast?  No explanations at all.


2) The mention of making a new 'reaper'.    Uh, what?  No one has touched on this, but apparently in the dark secret place of the Citadel that no one knows about, Anderson and Shepard spectate on why there are so many human bodies.  Apparently the Reapers wanna try AGUN with the human-reaper abomination, but we aren't give any insight into it aside from "oh they're doing it again.

a) Where is it?  Where's the real evidence?  All I see are piles of corpses.  Where are the workers, the evidence?
This isn't really a question, but more of a complaint - it felt so out of place.  'Oh hey, they might be making another human-reaper.  Here.  On the Citadel.  Funny that yeah?'  It reeks of poor writing.


3) The Citadel itself.  We are never told how, or when it appears right above Earth.  It just shows up there because the story gods demand it apparently.   Out of the blue.  It feels so rushed, like much of the finale.   Also, what happened to all of the people?  Still there?  Killed?  Evacuated?  It is a mystery! 


4) Ignoring, in my opinion, the poor endings, we have to ask the big one... why is Joker and the Normandy fleeing?  It's heavily implied that the rest of the fleet is in combat with the Reapers in orbit of Earth, and we see no one else running away.  

This suggests that Joker, the guy who would fly into hell itself with Shepard, fled from the battle, and somehow got trapped up in that relay **** and escaping an explosion?  So, the Normandy actually did a jump IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BATTLE THAT DECIDES THE FATE OF THE GALAXY, and while they do this, it just HAPPENS to be when the big explosion takes place.   Err, what?  I'm not even sure that's how it played out.  

In conclusion, in my view the endings are severely rushed, and we are given little to no explanation as to why any of this happens, other than to create poorly made drama intended to invoke an emotional response.

Modifié par Templar Fox, 09 mars 2012 - 06:22 .

[Rhayth]

I dunno if it's rushed or they really thought this was genius...but I agree

[AscalonD]

Confusing plot twist no? Like why did God decide to appear at the finale? It seems that they attempted to "Close all loose ends" by explaining the source of the reapers... Didn't they think that maybe 3 games was not enough to suffice this whole story? Up to 10 minutes to the end I was more than willing to buy a ME4, and I understand its a trilogy and everything but it just isn't enough.

[Taleroth]

Deadlines and budgets causing an ending to be rushed are nothing new.
http://tvtropes.org/.../CosmicDeadline

My own avatar is from one such game, so I'm intimately familiar and ready to forgive. But we live in a time where the problem can be fixed.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[The Mythical Magician]

1-1c) This is bothering me too, it feels like either bad writing or Bioware decided to take out parts for DLC profit.

2) I thought Anderson & Shepard were just spectilating that they're building a reaper...

3) Umm.. it actually has been explained why and when it got there.. as for what happen to the people is a mix of both evac and killed if I had to guess.

4) I think Joker was retreating cause to me it looked like the whole fleet was getting wrecked but I agree that it need a little more explaining from Bioware.

[mjh417]

The Mythical Magician wrote...

1-1c) This is bothering me too, it feels like either bad writing or Bioware decided to take out parts for DLC profit.

2) I thought Anderson & Shepard were just spectilating that they're building a reaper...

3) Umm.. it actually has been explained why and when it got there.. as for what happen to the people is a mix of both evac and killed if I had to guess.

4) I think Joker was retreating cause to me it looked like the whole fleet was getting wrecked but I agree that it need a little more explaining from Bioware.

I cant even imagine the outrage if Bioware does release DLC that adds one, fixes, expands, or creates new endings for the game. I mean I would totally buy them though if the really "fixed" it, as in do something COMPLETELY different.

[humes spork]

Templar Fox wrote...

1) Why do your squadmates whom you take to the final battle mysteriously vanish as you are hit by Harbringer's beam?  I took Garrus and Tali with me, and at the end when Joker crashes the Normandy onto the exotic planet, Tali is right there with him.

2) The mention of making a new 'reaper'.    Uh, what?  No one has touched on this, but apparently in the dark secret place of the Citadel that no one knows about, Anderson and Shepard spectate on why there are so many human bodies.  Apparently the Reapers wanna try AGUN with the human-reaper abomination, but we aren't give any insight into it aside from "oh they're doing it again.

3) The Citadel itself.  We are never told how, or when it appears right above Earth.  It just shows up there because the story gods demand it apparently.   Out of the blue.  It feels so rushed, like much of the finale.   Also, what happened to all of the people?  Still there?  Killed?  Evacuated?  It is a mystery! 


4) Ignoring, in my opinion, the poor endings, we have to ask the big one... why is Joker and the Normandy fleeing?  It's heavily implied that the rest of the fleet is in combat with the Reapers in orbit of Earth, and we see no one else running away.

1&4: My bet is after Shepard got Harbinger'd and the assault on the Conduit failed, Hammer was scrubbed. Whoever was left in the command structure (Hackett, probably) called in the Normandy to evacuate as many Hammer personnel as possible before bugging out (Sword fully committing to buy time), since being a stealth ship it was the only one capable of achieving any form of continuity of civilization. At that point, recovering Shepard's body would cost more in time and lives than would be remotely justifiable and put all of civilization at risk. Judging from the lack of corpses and the fact Shepard had obviously been dragged close to the Conduit, and no Reapers in sight, Shepard could have been unconscious for minutes if not an hour or two.

2: Yes, that's probably what's happening. Why else would they be bringing corpses to the Citadel? The Keepers were the ones doing the work, too.

3: Those big piles of corpses and the blood coating the walls and floor you mentioned might have something to do with where all the people on the Citadel went.

[lltoon]

The Mythical Magician wrote...


4) I think Joker was retreating cause to me it looked like the whole fleet was getting wrecked but I agree that it need a little more explaining from Bioware.

This one bothered me quite a bit. But I came up with explanations in my head for it.

1. Joker probably thought the battle was lost and Shepard died in the Reaper blast, so he left. (because I doubt Joker would ever leave if he knew Shepard was alive.)

2. The squad members who got knocked out by the Reaper blast, probably got rescued by Joker flying in, but they didn't have time to get to Shepard, maybe because of a Reaper about to blast them and also because Shepard looked dead as dead.

Though if you ask me, I'd prefer that Bioware showed it to me that this happened rather than being lazy and having me fix the storytelling errors and holes for them.

What I cannot explain is:

If Joker thought the battle was lost, and retreated through the relay with the rest of our squadmates, then how come after the crash they came out of the ship looking so casual and happy as if they magically knew the Reaper threat was over? Did he have access to the plot script?

1) A dissipating Mass Relay jump stream doesn't necessarily mean that the Reapers are destroyed. It could simply mean a Mass Relay on either side of the transmitting or receiving end of the stream were destroyed and the Reapers would use conventional FTL drives to get to them anyway.

2) The Normandy is badly damaged and not flight worthy.

3) EDI's power supply will eventually run out.

4)12 Prothean scientists were not enough to sustain a population. I doubt your shipmates will procreate.

Joker, EDI, Garrus, Tali, Liara etc are all of different species (and machine) and can't make a viable population to survive on that planet. They have no transport off the planet. They have no means of communicating their location, even if they could, with no Mass Relay transport, help would take canturies to reach them at FTL speeds. Meaning that the only probably survivor would be Liara, who lives long enough to watch everyone around her die of old age. (What a bleak and anticlimatic ending, your squadmates don't die a heroic death, and they don't live a good life either. They just spend their days scavenging for food until they die one by one.)

The rest of the Human/Batarian/Geth/Asari/Turian/Volus/Elcor fleet are stuck in the Sol system because the Mass Relay leading out is in pieces. What are they going to do? All live on Earth?

Modifié par lltoon, 09 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[Drake_Hound]

Why don't people understand it , it is so simple shepard dies, but the mass relay technology and his friends Live on , the technology in normandy , his friends or love ones will be saved .

It isn't so hard to understand the ending , it simply a closure to the Shepard Saga .