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[Lparsons7641]

Vanguards with a mantis.
Asari Adepts with a mantis
Human engineers with a mantis.

Put the sniper rifle down. You don't look cool. You aren't a BAMF. You just make the team lose. When I'm stuck downloading the objective solo because three lone wolf l337 sniperzzzzz run off to headshot husks it's annoying.


And i've had way more games like this then not.

[DCko]

Asari Adepts have to resort to a mantis or other sniper rifles because they prob don't have a carnifex, paladin, or any other handgun that compliments stasis boom headshot.

[xiaoassassin]

Yes, its so annoying isn't it. You outscore him by 2-4x but come next match he's still herp derping around thinking he's some elite sniper.

[KiraTsukasa]

DCko wrote...

Asari Adepts have to resort to a mantis or other sniper rifles because they prob don't have a carnifex, paladin, or any other handgun that compliments stasis boom headshot.

So work as a team. Stasis then go throw someone else so another teammate can take the shot instead. An Asari with a sniper rifle, especially a Mantis, gimps the team out of serious crowd control abilities.

[Tommytsunami]

Sniper on an Asari Adept is fairly good if you don't have one of the better pistols, but I do agree that sniper on a vanguard is kinda stupid.

[PirateT138]

It can work with some builds but Vanguard/sniper is absolutely HILARIOUS.

[Arokel]

A vanguard sniper... wth?

I haven't played multiplayer yet.

[UK Wildcat]

Depends on what guns the person has available, and what role they are attempt to fill. But I'm sure there are some wanna-be leet players who do what you suggest; just don't group with them.

[Arppis]

Bah, just let people play the way they want.

[Blissey1]

eh, vanguard with a sniper isn't as bad a an infiltrator with a revenant.

[vespy]

um...i top the score charts easily as an asari vanguard with a sniper rifle.

I will say that I would use the carnifex/paladin if I had it, but i haven't had the luck with that yet.

Why do you use the mantis?

One shot headshots. Easy to setup with stasis.

Why also on a vanguard? You're thinking too linearly of the typical vanguard charge->shotgun->melee.

You do just as well, with headshot->charge for as much (if not more) damage, at longer range, without any risk. Furthermore mastering how to quickscope with the mantis makes it just as effective as a short range weapon.

If you get into trouble, stasis and then shoot them (esp with stasis bubble). I think your problem is that you are dealing with people that are bad at sniping.

Sniper rifles are a valid build on almost every character, with the caveat that yes there are some better options (scoped carnifex/paladin comes to mind), but certainly viable and very good for silvers and golds.

Their weight is also offset by the weight talents and not carrying a sidearm (yes, you can do fine as an asari vanguard with just the mantis).

[Davigozavr]

Lparsons7641 wrote...

Vanguards with a mantis.
Asari Adepts with a mantis
Human engineers with a mantis.

Put the sniper rifle down. You don't look cool. You aren't a BAMF. You just make the team lose. When I'm stuck downloading the objective solo because three lone wolf l337 sniperzzzzz run off to headshot husks it's annoying.


And i've had way more games like this then not.

I absolutely agree. I think the problem is that these players just don't know about or don't realize the "Weight" mechanic in the game.

When I played the demo I discuss that matter and I made these simple example right from the ingame stats:

Asari Adept

Pistol (a light one) -> Weight -> +200% Power Recharge Speed:

Stasis: 2.5 sec
Warp: 2.5 sec
Throw: 1.5 sec

Sniper ("M-98 Widow") -> Weight -> -9% Power Recharge Speed:

Stasis: 7 sec
Warp: 7 sec
Throw: 3.5 sec

The difference actually is huge.

And for the lulz I checked the numbers when I take Widow sniper and Claymore shotgun on an Infiltrator - the result was -200% Power Recharge Speed and Cloak cooldown of 27 seconds or something.

So, really - some classes are crippled with heavy weapons. Powers > all. Recharge Speed is way better then Bad@ss weaponry.

[Crimzon Nutcase]

Using the Drell Vanguard with the Viper or Mantis, I easily was hitting 50k a match.The Drell plays differently than the other Vanguard as he has less barrier and health. It's not just the class that factors into the build, it's the race too. While some see the Drell as weak, he's actually rather amazing once you get used to his frailty.

[Isis 524]

xiaoassassin wrote...

Yes, its so annoying isn't it. You outscore him by 2-4x but come next match he's still herp derping around thinking he's some elite sniper.

Because, I mean, no one who plays a sniper is good.

Guess I'll stop picking things off and helping my team get to the objective quicker. Next time one of them yells location on something they want sniped, I'll just derp around.

If they're a lousy sniper, ditch them. It's your choice to keep them in your party.

[vespy]

The drell vanguard's kit is completely awful compared to the asari.

Hint: you also never use the widow on anything other than the infiltrator. And almost never on gold, as it is overkill and cannot pierce shields.

The mantis gives a very acceptable recharge speed (i think it was something like +80%, maybe a bit lower). Furthermore powerspam is not useful in 99% of situations.

One stasis bubble, all the guardians drop their shields. Then you pick them off for 7 seconds, then another bubble.

[dnaxv]

Lparsons7641 wrote...

Vanguards with a mantis.
Asari Adepts with a mantis
Human engineers with a mantis.

Put the sniper rifle down. You don't look cool. You aren't a BAMF. You just make the team lose. When I'm stuck downloading the objective solo because three lone wolf l337 sniperzzzzz run off to headshot husks it's annoying.


And i've had way more games like this then not.

On the demo I had an Asari Adept. Most of the time I used my Carnifex, but near the end of the demo I broke out the Widow III on silver runs. Was still more than effective enough, and was actually a little fun. Would not try on gold, but it was fine on silver.

[SovereignWillReturn]

I like the Mantis/Widow for one-hit kills, because going for headshots takes more work and aiming rather than just firing.

Maybe it's just me, but the sound of firing a shot cross-map, hitting someone, watching them crumple and bleed to death, and the clacking sound of a reload is just too much satisfaction for me.

[ponurygrim]

vespy wrote...

um...i top the score charts easily as an asari vanguard with a sniper rifle.

I will say that I would use the carnifex/paladin if I had it, but i haven't had the luck with that yet.

Why do you use the mantis?

One shot headshots. Easy to setup with stasis.

Why also on a vanguard? You're thinking too linearly of the typical vanguard charge->shotgun->melee.

You do just as well, with headshot->charge for as much (if not more) damage, at longer range, without any risk. Furthermore mastering how to quickscope with the mantis makes it just as effective as a short range weapon.

If you get into trouble, stasis and then shoot them (esp with stasis bubble). I think your problem is that you are dealing with people that are bad at sniping.

Sniper rifles are a valid build on almost every character, with the caveat that yes there are some better options (scoped carnifex/paladin comes to mind), but certainly viable and very good for silvers and golds.

Their weight is also offset by the weight talents and not carrying a sidearm (yes, you can do fine as an asari vanguard with just the mantis).

I thought actually that it is better to set up biotic combo. AOE damage and trash enemies die instantly. But maybe i'm doing something wrong:bandit:

[Thenlar]

Human Soldiers can actually abuse Adrenalin Rush to insta-reload the M-98 Widow.

Scope, shoot-rush-shoot. With weight capacity maxed, and the -20% all weight talent, I've had good success with this paired with a weight-modded SMG for backup. ARush lasts long enough to reload and fire another shot under the boosted damage as well.

[DXLelouch15]

as a Vanguard your job is to be a human pinball of doom

[xiaoassassin]

Isis 524 wrote...

xiaoassassin wrote...

Yes, its so annoying isn't it. You outscore him by 2-4x but come next match he's still herp derping around thinking he's some elite sniper.

Because, I mean, no one who plays a sniper is good.

Guess I'll stop picking things off and helping my team get to the objective quicker. Next time one of them yells location on something they want sniped, I'll just derp around.

If they're a lousy sniper, ditch them. It's your choice to keep them in your party.

I don't get anything when I quit halfway, do I? That's when I realize. Oh, I'm outscoring that useless sniper by a ratio of 4. OH WELL. Time to expend 2x the effort and use some missles in order to win the match.

Long range is barely an issue in this game. None of the maps are large or open enough that a Sniper actually has an advantage over a Carni/Shotty user. Not to mention that lower cooldowns contribute to more crowd control meaning helping the team overall. Don't kid yourself by thinking you're helping your team by picking off enemies. Unless they're right next to the objective, you're just causing the enemy to respawn somewhere else. Not to mention that the carnifax, even the bloody predator is capable of covering long range well enough.

It doesn't matter if the sniper is good (Btw, its laughable to think you're good at sniping when almost every enemy walks in perfectly straight lines, uses the same animations to dodge every time, are incredibly predicatble in everthing they do). I can safely say that if I competed against myself. My clone with a sniper rifle. Myself with a shotgun or Carni. I will do better 100% of the time as the shotty/carni user. 

[vespy]

ponurygrim wrote...

vespy wrote...

um...i top the score charts easily as an asari vanguard with a sniper rifle.

I will say that I would use the carnifex/paladin if I had it, but i haven't had the luck with that yet.

Why do you use the mantis?

One shot headshots. Easy to setup with stasis.

Why also on a vanguard? You're thinking too linearly of the typical vanguard charge->shotgun->melee.

You do just as well, with headshot->charge for as much (if not more) damage, at longer range, without any risk. Furthermore mastering how to quickscope with the mantis makes it just as effective as a short range weapon.

If you get into trouble, stasis and then shoot them (esp with stasis bubble). I think your problem is that you are dealing with people that are bad at sniping.

Sniper rifles are a valid build on almost every character, with the caveat that yes there are some better options (scoped carnifex/paladin comes to mind), but certainly viable and very good for silvers and golds.

Their weight is also offset by the weight talents and not carrying a sidearm (yes, you can do fine as an asari vanguard with just the mantis).

I thought actually that it is better to set up biotic combo. AOE damage and trash enemies die instantly. But maybe i'm doing something wrong:bandit:

The friends that I play with don't play biotics, so I can't setup biotic combos at all.

Stasis + grenades works very well too, but the players I play with are fps veterans who enjoy shooting more than "spamming" abilities. Shrug.

I'm not saying there is no reason to play anything else, or this is the best thing ever, but I am trying to refute the point that any class other than infiltrator with a sniper rifle is bad. 

At the end of the day, spike damage is far better than sustained dps on the majority of targets, and sniper rifles provide that in abundance.

I would prefer a carnifex, but I don't have one yet, or a graal spike thrower. But again, those are EXACTLY the same concept, except in different weight/range/accuracy ratios. The concept of cc+quick kills.

The mantis is the first readily available weapon that provides this. The early pistols are pretty lacking, and the early shotguns cannot charge and do not do enough damage.

[Sevrun]

Everyone crying about sucky players.

DON'T PLAY WITH ME.

Why? Not cause I suck, but because I approach the game in a tactical style instead of sprint around spraying lead like a retard hoping for the greatest score. I move a bit slower, aim my shots, and then hammer the crap outta the target. That is not the kind of player you're looking for however, regardless of whether I use a sniper rifle or not. Simple fact is that most maps are not large enough to warrant the use of a sniper rifle _if using it for the scope_

P.S. I've killed an Atlas in multiplayer at mid range with a Katana I so back off my shotguns pal

[DCko]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

DCko wrote...

Asari Adepts have to resort to a mantis or other sniper rifles because they prob don't have a carnifex, paladin, or any other handgun that compliments stasis boom headshot.

So work as a team. Stasis then go throw someone else so another teammate can take the shot instead. An Asari with a sniper rifle, especially a Mantis, gimps the team out of serious crowd control abilities.

LOL. Yes, because the asari adept is ONLY good at crowd control.

[PluralAces]

its just like any other shooter game, kids just want kills, so they will take any kill they can get, ive had kids take grab kills with a sniper to the point where it actually does the grab kill animation with no one being dragged over cover because of the snipe kill

you will always get bad kids when you play with randoms, kids with sniper who get lots of kills but low scores, kids abusing biotic charge with vanguards, kids charging 100 people with a krogan, when I see there is a feen on the team, I dont heal them when they go down to teach them a lesson, unless its extraction because I want the full extraction bonus