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[kiltysue]

vespy wrote...

Every vanguard I've played so far has benefited more from low cool downs and being up close. Your 1 shot with a sniper rifle is comparitively useless, when you take what you're losing into account.

One shot per stasis. When your lower cool down would let you charge a stasis'd enemy, causing a biotic explosion, and thus trapping all enemies around them.

I completely aggree with the huge benefits to power based classes that set up
for 200% cooldowns  However, with the nerf to stasis, I noticed that it was about
impossible for my asari vanguard to stasis an enemy, then biotic explode it with
a charge.  The cooldowns are just too slow, even with all the stasis/charge
cooldown hastening skill selections.  By the time my charge becomes available
after my stasis, a team mate has already exploited the stasis (which is fine, by the
way).

So in most groups, I end up using stasis as cc, or set up for other players.  Which
works out well for the cerberus faction.  It's weak for geth/reapers, where many of
the dangerous enemies are immune to stasis.

200% cooldowns worth striving for regardless?  Definitely.  Basically charge,
dodge/gun, re-charge.  I'm thinking on the asari, I should use a respec card
and try out grenades for more charge induced explosions.

I played a lot in the demo, and can definitely see the great synergy the slightly
faster stasis would have had with an asari vanguard. 

But yes,  put down the sniper rifle.  If you want to use it,  play a salarian
infiltrator!  They're awesome with sniper rifles.  Of course, if the group you
play with is strong enough, go ahead and use a claymore on your adept.
As long as everything is getting cleared with out too much pain, just
play the way you like to.

[Unionhack]

So I'm guessing that a Quarian Infiltrator with an assault rifle isn't the most appreciated thing either?

By the way, what's the general consensus on a Turian Sentinel with a Sniper Rifle? I racked up so many kills with a Viper in the demo that it made me feel like Rambo. With a sniper rifle.

[78stonewobble]

but but but sniping is fun... whether it's with a sniperrifle, assault rifle or pistol.

However...

Thats for non-objective waves. With objectives I usually switch something quickfiring while on the move.

[Spaceguy5]

Blissey1 wrote...

eh, vanguard with a sniper isn't as bad a an infiltrator with a revenant.

I tried that. It didn't work

[crymzenassassin]

Lparsons7641 wrote...

Vanguards with a mantis.
Asari Adepts with a mantis
Human engineers with a mantis.

Put the sniper rifle down. You don't look cool. You aren't a BAMF. You just make the team lose. When I'm stuck downloading the objective solo because three lone wolf l337 sniperzzzzz run off to headshot husks it's annoying.


And i've had way more games like this then not.

iv'e been on teams full of mantis users..i use a mantis all the time. i run randoms and i have yet to be on a team full of people who run off

[AndyXTheXGamer360]

I'm more confused with Infiltrators that use Mattocks.

[snfonseka]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

DCko wrote...

Asari Adepts have to resort to a mantis or other sniper rifles because they prob don't have a carnifex, paladin, or any other handgun that compliments stasis boom headshot.

So work as a team. Stasis then go throw someone else so another teammate can take the shot instead. An Asari with a sniper rifle, especially a Mantis, gimps the team out of serious crowd control abilities.

So true, but are you willing to do this, if you play Asari Adept? I support your idea, but this system doesn't provide enough xp for support classes. That's why everybody want to carry sniper rifles.

Modifié par snfonseka, 12 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[snfonseka]

vespy wrote...

um...i top the score charts easily as an asari vanguard with a sniper rifle.

I will say that I would use the carnifex/paladin if I had it, but i haven't had the luck with that yet.

Why do you use the mantis?

One shot headshots. Easy to setup with stasis.

Why also on a vanguard? You're thinking too linearly of the typical vanguard charge->shotgun->melee.

You do just as well, with headshot->charge for as much (if not more) damage, at longer range, without any risk. Furthermore mastering how to quickscope with the mantis makes it just as effective as a short range weapon.

If you get into trouble, stasis and then shoot them (esp with stasis bubble). I think your problem is that you are dealing with people that are bad at sniping.

Sniper rifles are a valid build on almost every character, with the caveat that yes there are some better options (scoped carnifex/paladin comes to mind), but certainly viable and very good for silvers and golds.

Their weight is also offset by the weight talents and not carrying a sidearm (yes, you can do fine as an asari vanguard with just the mantis).

I am going to try this.

[Jestina]

Adepts should not be lugging around sniper rifles in most cases. They should be giving biotic bombing support, not trying to play infiltrator.

[KylieDog]

I've only made a Vanguard, I get tired of people stealing my kills and getting kill bonuses from enemies I did most damage to, so now I use a sniper rifle since mine one hits a lot of enemies, leaving no way to kill steal.

I don't really care about 'teamwork' if it means I constantly gets kills and experience stolen. I either weaken an enemy with gunfire and get kill stolen as I hit charge or I charge first and the kill stolen before I can finish with a shotgun hit or melee.

Give me a shotgun with fast rate of fire and higher damage or else I am forever sniping since a sniper rifle is more reliable in far and near situations, it rewards far far more experience per game, since switching to one I often finish first even against higher level players.

The only good weapons in the MP are pistols (for quicker power recharge) or sniper rifles. Snipers are better though.

Shotguns are rubish at range (unless you want to charge a shot...in which case use a sniper since the reload gives same rate of fire), and still suck up close due to inconsistant damage and slow ROF, SMGs are just garbage everywhere, assault rifles just offer no benefit at all and are pretty weak, in the time I unload a full clip into an enemy to kill him I could have taken a sniper shot for a one hit kill and reloaded, being less exposed at the same time.

[JasonSovereign]

lol raging krogan for the win, i steal all the snipers kills and make them leave

[A Wild Snorlax]

Snipers are great on anything that has overload or energy drain, every other class would be better off with heavy pistols or shotguns imo except maybe the krogan sentinel/soldier as a backup weapon. Even on classes with overload you're probably bbetter off with something lighter like a pistol so you can spam powers, power spam seems to be all powerfull on higher difficulties to get those combos off

[Waykam]

KylieDog wrote...

I've only made a Vanguard, I get tired of people stealing my kills and getting kill bonuses from enemies I did most damage to, so now I use a sniper rifle since mine one hits a lot of enemies, leaving no way to kill steal.

I don't really care about 'teamwork' if it means I constantly gets kills and experience stolen. I either weaken an enemy with gunfire and get kill stolen as I hit charge or I charge first and the kill stolen before I can finish with a shotgun hit or melee.

Give me a shotgun with fast rate of fire and higher damage or else I am forever sniping since a sniper rifle is more reliable in far and near situations, it rewards far far more experience per game, since switching to one I often finish first even against higher level players.

The only good weapons in the MP are pistols (for quicker power recharge) or sniper rifles. Snipers are better though.

Shotguns are rubish at range (unless you want to charge a shot...in which case use a sniper since the reload gives same rate of fire), and still suck up close due to inconsistant damage and slow ROF, SMGs are just garbage everywhere, assault rifles just offer no benefit at all and are pretty weak, in the time I unload a full clip into an enemy to kill him I could have taken a sniper shot for a one hit kill and reloaded, being less exposed at the same time.

You do realise you all get the same amount of XP at the end of the match. It adds up everyone scores and gives the total to each person. That's why you earn over 100,000XP at the end of a bronze match.

I don't understand why people only want to use weapons in ME3 MP, thats what you get in every single other Horde mode style MP. I want to see biotic explosions everywhere, bodies flying through the air, enemies disappearing in a pink mist, not headshot body hits the floor, headshot body hits the floor.

Modifié par Waykam, 12 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[HaesoME3]

vespy wrote...

The drell vanguard's kit is completely awful compared to the asari.

Hint: you also never use the widow on anything other than the infiltrator. And almost never on gold, as it is overkill and cannot pierce shields.

The mantis gives a very acceptable recharge speed (i think it was something like +80%, maybe a bit lower). Furthermore powerspam is not useful in 99% of situations.

One stasis bubble, all the guardians drop their shields. Then you pick them off for 7 seconds, then another bubble.

Salarian:

Cloak -> Enegy Drain -> Bodyshot with widow kills anything but brutes, banshee, atlas, phantom and primes in one hit on gold if specced properly. The Javelin works once you practice enough with the charge up time as well - I haven't gotten Black Widow X yet to see if it deals enough damage to body shot kill, but I doubt it. While having the damage reduction of a sentinel and the shield restore every time you take a shot. I wouldn't take it against reapers, but against everything else it's arguably one of the best characters. I can put out more kills with it than anything else and I have every gun and every class unlocked and at 20. The only class that comes close so far in damage output is the Turian Soldier with the Rev, but he has less survivability and no real utility.

You might ask why you'd want a gun that can bodyshot kill, and I will tell you the big secret. All that time you spend aiming and missing headshots - I never miss. I get a kill in just over every 3 seconds, and I kill atlases in 5-6 shots on gold. I also easily get double/triple kills with the pierce mod on a widow. It's not worth using a faster rifle when the time you save on reloading/not waiting on RoF, I don't have to aim. Also another secret - using a power once you see the number change in the magazine interrupts the animation and lets you shoot immediately.

That is, a centurion/Pyro/phantom etc. I don't bother with grunts unless I can get 2-3 of them in one shot (which is rather often), there's nothing else to shoot or something along those lines.

Modifié par HaesoME3, 12 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[Schneidend]

snfonseka wrote...

So true, but are you willing to do this, if you play Asari Adept? I support your idea, but this system doesn't provide enough xp for support classes. That's why everybody want to carry sniper rifles.

There are experience badges for Assists and Biotic Kills. You ultimately get more XP doing a handful of things than a single thing. Just Stasis/snipe everything and you get 2 badges, Kills and Sniper Rifle Kills, which eventually cap at the 75 badges. Alternatively, you could get multiple badges in the Assist, Biotic Kill, Melee, Grab, and other weapon categories, IN ADDITION to Kill and Sniper Rifle Kills. More XP for all by being a well-rounded, dynamic team player.

[VirtualAlex]

 This topic is stupid. There are plenty of reasons for any class to care a sniper rifle. People might like to have a sniper rifle, or maybe they are just trying some novelty build. If you wait to complain about something complain about the lack of team work. Not the load out.

[Rodia Driftwood]

I'm the exception you're looking for.

[AlexMBrennan]

I agree that vanguards talents have poor synergy with sniping, but the rest is OK - engineers take down defences and kill, infiltrators punch through any defences with damage boost from cloak, asari freeze to kill with a headshot, etc. I always snipe with the Widow, and always make MVP so I don't really see your point.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 12 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[Kittstalkur]

vespy wrote...

um...i top the score charts easily as an asari vanguard with a sniper rifle.

I will say that I would use the carnifex/paladin if I had it, but i haven't had the luck with that yet.

Why do you use the mantis?

One shot headshots. Easy to setup with stasis.

Why also on a vanguard? You're thinking too linearly of the typical vanguard charge->shotgun->melee.

You do just as well, with headshot->charge for as much (if not more) damage, at longer range, without any risk. Furthermore mastering how to quickscope with the mantis makes it just as effective as a short range weapon.

If you get into trouble, stasis and then shoot them (esp with stasis bubble). I think your problem is that you are dealing with people that are bad at sniping.

Sniper rifles are a valid build on almost every character, with the caveat that yes there are some better options (scoped carnifex/paladin comes to mind), but certainly viable and very good for silvers and golds.

Their weight is also offset by the weight talents and not carrying a sidearm (yes, you can do fine as an asari vanguard with just the mantis).

More like Charge -> Nova -> Charge -> Nova -> room of dead enemies.

If you really want to snipe, PLEASE level up an infiltrator. It's easy with an Lv1 widow to do cloakshots every time, and you don't have to aim for the head on 99% of everything when you do 130% more damage with a Widow. Three shots to core an Atlas on bronze, probably 4 for Silver.

Honestly though, what depresses me are Krogan Soldiers with snipers.

Ediblestarfish wrote...

I don't really know what is up
with sniping, since an engineer/vanguard combo can clear out huge waves
of enemies in no time at all. Just spam CC and drone/turret and let a
vanguard mop-up. No guns needed once you can get your main 1-2
abilities close to maxed with 200% cooldown bonus. It's almost
horrifically easy.

Snipers can be as OP as they want to feel. :T

Dream team: 3 engineers with three target Overload and Incinerate maxed, along with tech damage bonuses, and a Chargenova vanguard. 

Shields? Nope. Barriers? Nope.

Your team opens the door, Cerberus gets on the floor and does the dinosaur.

Modifié par Kittstalkur, 12 mars 2012 - 01:20 .

[sideshow-]

Unionhack wrote...

So I'm guessing that a Quarian Infiltrator with an assault rifle isn't the most appreciated thing either?

I was trying that last night.  Sabotage for geth/turrets (and some DD), sticky grenades for oomph, and cloak for when you need to get from A to B without issue, or reviving.  Was pretty sweet.  I tried the Vindicator (didn't like it) and the Mattock (didn't like it), then went back to the trusty Avenger.

[Neo-Dark]

Why put the sniper down? Why?

There are 5 classes I really use, Asari Vanguard (Lift Grenade/ Stasis Damage/ Mantis X/ Phalanx II - Silver), Infiltrator Human Female (Tactical Cloak Sniper/ Sticky Grenade Mine/ Mantis X / Phalanx II - Silver), Soldier Human Male (Frag Grenade/ Concussive Shot/ Scimitar III / Shuriken VIII LV2 Weight reduction - Bronze), Soldier Human Female (Frag Grenade/ Adrenaline Rush/ Mantis X - Silver), and Vanguard Human Female (Biotic Charge/ Nova / Scimitar III/ Shuriken VII LV2 Weight reduction - Bronze).

Any other class (baring the Turian Soldier) has a Mantis X, Extended Barrel I, Armor Piercing II... because I'm probably not on Silver or Gold with the other classes so 1 shot on most standard enemies. (With +X% damage from Powers) Also, a sniper keeps you off of the front lines so less health is less of an issue on the right maps thus making it easier to level up. If you want though, try a biotic charge-shotgun combo with a level 3 vanguard on silver. Be my guest, but if you go down, am I going to revive you? Hell no... my level 3 Infiltrator is busy completing silver in second place behind my friend Stabby (level 18 infiltrator, Paladin I, Magazine, High-caliber barrel, no secondary) with no equipment used by either of us. (almost 45,000 points for me, 60,000 odd for him)

I go for the objective's, but usually if it's the 1234, I let someone else hit it if it's far away and try to draw enemies towards me. If it's a hack, I'll chill in the zone at the safest area, quick scoping headshots on enemies. If it's a enemy kill I'll try to get it quickly to stop enemy spawns, or cover someone close to the enemy if I cannot hit the specified enemy directly and my armor piercing is unlikely to get the job done.

Why put the sniper down... if it gets the job done?

[DA Trap Star]

I could never get into sniper rifles, I tried the Widow yesterday just because I've seen every one rolling around with Sniper Rifles. It was boring having to do dance around in background to line up one shot, and if you miss, you have that long reload time.

I can understand why a lot of people choose to roll with them, because most of Shotguns and Assault Rifles take forever to do any damage.

Modifié par DA Trap Star, 12 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Sereaph502]

Well I say all infiltrators running around with shotguns are useless. I mean, why not just carry a sniper rifle and be a sniper like the class is suppose to be?

Gawd, it's like all classes can use any weapon they want or something.

[UKStory135]

DCko wrote...

Asari Adepts have to resort to a mantis or other sniper rifles because they prob don't have a carnifex, paladin, or any other handgun that compliments stasis boom headshot.

I'm a level 83 N7, who has went through about 30 Spectre packs, and I still only have a Phlanx II as my primary pistol.  I did get the Black Widow in my first one, however.  I also have 6 different shotguns, assault rifles, and SMG's, but no Pistols.  Which sucks because that's generally all I use with my engineer.

[Baka-no-Neko]

Sniper+Noob = That's me told
Incase you forgot, not everyone is a hardcore shooter. Now excuse me as I go herpderp around with my beloved sniper rifle

Modifié par Baka-no-Neko, 12 mars 2012 - 06:18 .