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[atheelogos]

""The Catalyst starts going on and on about how the created will always kill the creator. The most critical moment in the game, and yet, there's no option to jerk that kid up by his holographic hair and say, "Bulls***! Look out there. Geth and Quarian, fighting side by side."

He was talking about the long term there, so yes they are at peace now but you can't say for certain that will always be the case.

[Tamcia]

+1

The ending ruined the whole ME series for me.... Freaking BS

[Shaltenn]

+1

Ending sucks all the work done through the games to bring everyone togather to save them. Why couldnt you make and ending where the weapons was just a signal that shuts down only the reapers, and Shepard is found by his team, and the last seens are with Shepard and his/her love together.... the happy endings

[Nero_aelous]

OP has it right!

[thedistortedchild]

I completely agree with the OP.

[deathscythe517]

One thing I would like to point out alongside the OP's post is that Sovereign used the heretic geth as tools to achieve this completely idiotic 'goal' of the Guardian/Catalyst. That also contradicts his philosophy, you're using synthetic life to cull organics, which is what you're trying to prevent, with the Reapers you can argue they're biosynthetic so it weakly doesn't count but...also the entire plot of 1 is pretty much 100% pointless and what the hell did the Collector Base even do in the end?

[Warp92]

liesandpropaganda wrote...

*claps hands*

And it's nice to see a reasonable critical stance without hysterics and throwing **** around.

this 

[Papa John0]

For me, the lack of a winning situation at the end killed it. I had 7200 Effective Military Strength with 100% galactic readiness. What did I sit through all of that multiplayer for in the end? A single gasp from Shepard's mutilated corpse while the Normandy crew (with Shep's love interest) repopulate a new planet? Come on. I could have taken Anderson's death. I could have even stomached Shepard's death with a positive ending for the crew, Earth, and the other races. Instead, we get treated to 2001: A Space Odyssey meets Contact meets Deus Ex.

[Bravery1282]

TheLostGenius wrote...

Somethings are better left a mystery. In good writing the imagination can tell the rest of the story. My main concern was that EVERYTHING would be revealed and that can of exposition is simply terrible story telling. The one ending that I've seen of the three was great.

In the beginning The Reapers bring uncertainty but their is hope, and in the end when the Reaper's are stopped, their remains uncertainty but hope.

I agree and I also thought the ending I saw was great.  I don't mind wondering what may have happend to my love interest or how the civilizations ended up.  They obviously ended up fine, if you take the old man/kid talk at the end.  There is a lot left to interpretation, and I like that. I don't want to be spoon fed something.

   

Also, to those wanting bioware to put out a new ending, I doubt it will happen.  Bioware has already stated, prior to release, that the ending was gonna leave a lot of folks unhappy.

[goose2989]

I'm very happy with how you handled the situation, and how you described it thoughtfully. As frustrated as everyone is, we all need to be respectful and polite with everyone at Bioware. Screaming, swearing, and threatening won't get us didly squat

[blaquewidowe]

I've been a lurker on these forums for years until today.

I agree with this post entirely. Here's the thing- I've never laughed and cried so hard equally over a game. The writing was truly incredible up until the last 5 minutes.

God, I hope Bioware is reading all of these posts. You’ve always given yourself the credit of listening to your fans…. well, this is your final test.

There was no GOOD ending. For a game that based itself on relationships and building allies, Shepard really gets screwed over in the end. And please, explore through DLC? How would that even work!? Shepard's either been sacrificed or there is simply no technology to do anything anymore. To keep my mind sane, I'm going to assume Joker and company crashed on Earth because..... well.. where the hell else would they be?

I think another thing that is getting a lot of us (or me anyways) is the fact that in Mass Effect 3 we are allowed to show a side of Shepard that has never been seen before. (I play femshep so bear with me...) She's tired, restless, frustrated and losing hope and faith, even in herself, in the grand scheme of things. I felt like Shepard just deserved to rest. Rest in the peaceful galaxy she's fought so hard for. To have Shepard struggle for so long only to die or be seperated from those she fought so hard to protect...? Brutal.

Would it have been so hard to give us a happy ending? Ok yes, Shepard can live.. but my goodness her crew is God knows where and we don't even know who survived besides Joker and the LI. In Mass Effect 2 we had to upgrade the ship and crew to have a better fighting chance. In Mass Effect 3 we had to gather forces..... for.. what... a different ending? We weren’t even shown how everything went down.. so why the relationships, why all the dialogue? Why gather forces? Why bother?

Bioware has to know and realize that there are people that can’t even look at the game anymore; Who want to simply store it away and never come back to it because it left such a bitter taste in their mouths. And clearly, this isn’t just a few fans who are upset. Its like 99 percent! I did a search on Twitter last night out of curiosity on “ME3 Ending” and all posts but 2 out of at least 30 were negative. People feeling lost, uninspired or sad. I’m hoping this was not what the developers set out to accomplish….

When I finished the game last night I realized that I didn’t choose the ending I wanted. It was sad, vague and.. well.. uninspiring! I did some research to see what I did wrong and got to thinking “hey, I should go back and scan more planets…” but honestly, I was so disappointed I don’t even want to because in the end, my heart will be broken regardless. If I had to do that for Mass Effect 1 and 2 I would have done so in a heartbeat. Hell, I scan all those planets in those games anyways! And all this does is gets me thinking about how I made such a big deal over this game. I preordered back in June for God’s sake! Promoted it to everyone I know. And now? Well damn, this may seem a bit harsh but I almost wish I didn’t… Knowing how the tale of Shepard ends is doing a very good job of putting me off the game and perhaps the entire series. Its so disheartening.

Everything for nothing essentially. That’s what I got out of this. Whatever ending, whether perfect or the worst, will never leave my satisfied. This was the last thing I ever expected from a company like Bioware. God damn.

Modifié par blaquewidowe, 11 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[XDRonin]

Weeman0313 wrote...

You guys are ALL jerks, maybe the writers are Rachni and thats the reason the only difference is the colors?!

That would make sense...  Certainly more sense than the ending for ME3

[DarkestPhoenix]

Bravery1282 wrote...
   Also, to those wanting bioware to put out a new ending, I doubt it will happen.  Bioware has already stated, prior to release, that the ending was gonna leave a lot of folks unhappy.

I think you missed the point. A "lot of folks" being unhappy isn't because Shepard dies (quite a few are pissed about that, but that's not the point). A lot of people are unhappy because the game feels like it's jumped the shark a bit. There is no closure. You get to see Joker and your love interest (I assume) for a few minutes, on a planet that nobody has any idea what or where it is. Then you get to see "stargazer" and kid for a few seconds after the credits roll. Nothing in there about how the rest of the crew goes on. Nothing about how the forces on earth start anew (though you get to see them for a tiny bit as the reapers deactivate). Not only that, but EVERYONE gets the same ending. For a game that made every choice have repercussions, this is the biggest flaw for the ending. Nothing mattered. I could have killed everyone in ME2 except myself, then gone out of my way to get the most people killed in ME3 and I will get the SAME ending as the person who went through the trouble of saving every single team member, developed every friendship, doing every quest. 

TL;DR
The ending has everyone bitter not because shep dies, but because nothing really mattered (not even the final decision).

[Deludedcon]

I am glad I ran across this post via Tumblr. OP and sighineedaname really hit the nail on the head.

[Bravery1282]

DarkestPhoenix wrote...

Bravery1282 wrote...
   Also, to those wanting bioware to put out a new ending, I doubt it will happen.  Bioware has already stated, prior to release, that the ending was gonna leave a lot of folks unhappy.

I think you missed the point. A "lot of folks" being unhappy isn't because Shepard dies (quite a few are pissed about that, but that's not the point). A lot of people are unhappy because the game feels like it's jumped the shark a bit. There is no closure. You get to see Joker and your love interest (I assume) for a few minutes, on a planet that nobody has any idea what or where it is. Then you get to see "stargazer" and kid for a few seconds after the credits roll. Nothing in there about how the rest of the crew goes on. Nothing about how the forces on earth start anew (though you get to see them for a tiny bit as the reapers deactivate). Not only that, but EVERYONE gets the same ending. For a game that made every choice have repercussions, this is the biggest flaw for the ending. Nothing mattered. I could have killed everyone in ME2 except myself, then gone out of my way to get the most people killed in ME3 and I will get the SAME ending as the person who went through the trouble of saving every single team member, developed every friendship, doing every quest. 

TL;DR
The ending has everyone bitter not because shep dies, but because nothing really mattered (not even the final decision).

No point missed, I read the posts.   I just feel fine that I get to make of the ending what I wish, I get to use my imagination.  Bioware has spoiled people to no end,  the hours of enjoyment they've provided doesn't seem appreciated.  Insted of thanks, that appreciation is returned with anger and no appreciation based only on 5 minutes.  

But, we don't get a definite end to the story, so what.  Discuss, not why that sucks, but why it gives way to interpretation and imagination.  I do get it. We live in a time where fast food, and microwaves is what people use on a daily basis as a means for eating.  Where text messaging instead of talking is becoming the popular way of communication, the majority of the people no longer picking up books, and meeting people face to face is going away, I get it, some people want to be spoon fed.

[Seryndras]

You pretty much said it all, thread creator. I'm a lurker on this forum, I don't think I ever posted anything since my profiles creation. However, I feel the need to vent a bit right now, because with the ending of ME3 I feel like a kid that was just told Santa isn't real.

I think my true issue and disappointment with the ending to this trilogy (not that it really matters or anyone would or should care, but as I said, strong urge to vent some frustrations here) was sort of my own fault. When I was playing this game for all those past years, I always imagined an ending to this story in my head.

I always thought the overall theme of the game was "Even though it's tough, even though the odds are impossible, we'll all pull through together and make it out okay". Boy was I wrong, as the overall theme apparently was "screw you, whatever you do, it's going down the hill anyway, and we're all screwed from the very beginning no matter what". So, the crux was "created kill creators, deal with it and watch out for your DVD player, it might strangle you at night"? Really? Well, I guess I would have preferred a "Shepard dreamed it all up and he really is a pregnant Hanar on a moon somewhere" solution.

So, where did I go wrong? Well, throughout the course of the story, I imagined a ton of different ending mutations in my silly little mind. I had pictures of redeemed Quarians and their new Geth allies, rebuilding their home world together flashing through that thick skull of mine. I saw the warlike but cured Krogan become the new peace keepers of the galaxy, alongside their former Turian enemies. I saw humanity rebuilding the galaxy together with the Asari. I saw an ending for each crew member of the Normandy, like Liara writing that book with the Prothean, Joker and EDI actually starting their weird little relationship for real, Garrus becoming a great leader of his people, Tali building that house on her new home world... and I had all the bad ending in my head, too. Like, earth didn't make it, or the Krogan start killing again, or the Quarians rekindle the war with their creations for whatever reason. Or even, the Reapers winning.

And I even imagined a lot of dead Shepards during this. I was very content with the fact that he or she could and most likely would die in the end. Sacrifice is always such a strong thing (if executed properly) with great heroes. Unless the sacrifice mounts to "everything you worked for was for nothing, you achieved nothing and all you did made no impact whatsoever. And now die."

So, what's left? Well, I feel like Bioware, who I absolutely respect and love(d) for creating these games and all the wonderful storylines and characters, said "HAHA!" right to my face in the end. They told me all my dreamed up endings are just that, dreams, and that an emotional ending that I would have really cared about just isn’t something they even remotely considered. They said they'll feed me new Shepard story fragments - for a price, of course - if I was a good boy. And I think they said to themselves that happy endings, like Shepard having a child with his/her love interest and being happy and everything turning out fine and Santa is real after all, are so 20th century. Nowadays, we need to leave people with a "meh" feeling, THAT is the emotional impact us developed 21st century story tellers want to communicate!

And I even bet that all the complaints on their forum or across all those social networks are seen as fantastic marketing and a huge success. I mean, they talk about the game, right? And we made such an amazing ending since it created so much controversy, right? Truly, our writers are geniuses! All ignoring that I died a little inside. Yeah, silly, I know, but I just care about stories I guess. But who cares, I’m just one idiot who already bought all of their games and most of the DLC, right?

Okay, I guess I'm starting to rant too much now. Well, nothing left then deleting the entire trilogy, which I had installed all those years, all the time, from my computer. There is no reason to replay the story, because I know that WHATEVER I do, I will always be disappointed in the end.

Anyway, thanks for reading my whining (if you did). Writing it all down like a drama queen made me feel like I didn't waste so much time with a story that turned out to make me feel bad.

I guess I'll play some Secret of Mana (yeah, SNES, I'm really old) now. That ending always made me smile.

PS: Forgive any linguistic discrepancies, please - English is not my 1st language.

Modifié par Seryndras, 11 mars 2012 - 01:45 .

[I_Jedi]

Good job OP. Take some of these:

[timenight113]

Sorry havent read through all the pages yet but is there a petition for Bioware yet to fix the cop out endings they made. Like maybe the choice of idk telling that little punk that organics can coexist with sythetics if you got the geth and Quiaens to make peace with each other.... I mean normally you get choices and here they seemed to take what you did out of the equation.....

[suusuuu]

I find it wrong that the game forces the "Destroy" option down your throat even in the face of the fact that peace between the Quarians and the Geth was made, which deems the cycle, starchild and reapers UNNECESSARY. But, if you want Shepard to live... you know... destroy dem geth. they are evulz. I could understand if this ending appeared for someone who failed to work things out with the Geth. But otherwise, it just makes the entire cycle THE MAIN THING IN THE PLOT look like a freaking joke. 

Modifié par suusuuu, 11 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[blaquewidowe]

http://www.gopetitio...signatures.html
Here's the petition. Sign it

Modifié par blaquewidowe, 11 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[xenapuff]

The OP definitely summed up my feelings of the ending. I feel like I just wasted my time in ME1, 2 and most of 3.

[nitefyre410]

suusuuu wrote...

I find it wrong that the game forces the "Destroy" option down your throat even in the face of the fact that peace between the Quarians and the Geth was made, which deems the cycle, starchild and reapers UNNECESSARY. But, if you want Shepard to live... you know... destroy dem geth. they are evulz. I could understand if this ending appeared for someone who failed to work things out with the Geth. But otherwise, it just makes the entire cycle THE MAIN THING IN THE PLOT look like a freaking joke. 

 

Oh here is some  fridge horror for you... guest what you know those  Geth - the synthetics... yeah they disprove  The  Catalyst logic 300 years  prior during  The Morning War... by   Letting the  Quarians live  and leaving every one else in peace.  

Yeah... 

[Cutter10]

Big cheers for the OP - very well said.

Also maybe worth thinking about: everyone remember that Mass Effect novel that seemed to understand so little of it's own universe? That makes a lot more sense now.