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[Taleroth]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Why didn't you merge synthetic and organic?

I refuse to use that ending. That is nonsensical space magic of a heretofore unseen level. If this crucible/catalyst has the power to meticulously alter the nature of all life throughought the galaxy on to its atomic constituents, then no description short of god is appropriate.

That seems something of a thematic swerve.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 mars 2012 - 07:59 .

[Dragoni89]

Let me ask: If the guardian = cidital, why the **** was there even a Mass Effect 1 or 2

[Stereochrome]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

But that's exactly my point. That's the control/merge endings. The 'No, respectfully, I disagree. EDI. The Geth. Peace is possible. Tell the Reapers to GTFO because this time will be different.' Also the Krogan decision, 'No, I don't think war is inevitable, I don't think history inevitably repeats'.

The decision you make at the end should be informed by how you played the game before this. Other players destroyed the Geth because they thought it WAS impossible, and so they WOULD destroy all synthetics Other players didn't cure the Genophage because they thought history DOES inevitably repeat itself, cycles of violence do continue. The final choices are influenced by what you've decided after seeing the other events in the game.

Your mission the whole time was to destroy the Reapers. Why on Earth, in the last five minutes, would you decide, "Whoop nope, what I'm going to do is just Control them into going away for a little while." And energy beam that makes everyone a synthetic/organic combination? Not only is that out of left field/messes severely with the lore of the universe, but it also goes against what Shepard says throughout the entire game, paragon -or- renegade.

Everyone should make their own choices.

...So why are you defining what everyone must become for them?

And why exactly are you letting a child define what your choices are for you, when Shepard's mission has always been to go their own way? That was the point of the whole choices system. Shepard has always blazed their own path and told anyone who told her otherwise either why they were wrong or to screw off. And they don't here? "You must do this." "Oh, okay."

The endings betray the message of the game, no matter which choice you choose. While I see what you are saying, the endings are jarring and inconsistent with the series. There should be one ending where everything goes right and Shepard is reunited with her crew and her lover, on Earth, and no Mass Relay destruction (why destroy something that defined the series? Same with Normandy, really...), one where everything goes severely wrong, and these would be our "middle ground" ones.

In fact, if these weird choices were middle ground, I wouldn't be as annoyed. At least there would be some way to make the story make sense to me. If you think these ones make sense, then you'd be able to keep them ... and I'd be able to go for the one that makes me come out feeling good about the story.

[QuirkyGroundhog]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Gotta love these high-and-mighty "the only way to not like the ending is to not understand it" posts.

I don't really have a problem with not liking the ending. I have a problem with 'the ending was so awful it destroyed my appreciation of three whole games and killed my dog'

[GuyWithFace]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

To which I have to ask, why? Why did you kill the Geth if you thought peace was possible? Why didn't you send the Reapers back to dark space? Why didn't you merge synthetic and organic?

Because that would make my Shepard as bad as TIM, thinking he can control the Reapers. And the thing is, why should we believe the Catalyst anyway? We have absolutley no reason to believe anything it says, and yet Shepard blindly trusts it. It's stupid.

[Nekroso22]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

I don't really have a problem with not liking the ending. I have a problem with 'the ending was so awful it destroyed my appreciation of three whole games and killed my dog'

Hey, I never said it killed my dog.

But the ending was still awful. What's your problem with that?

[QuirkyGroundhog]

Taleroth wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Why didn't you merge synthetic and organic?

I refuse to use that ending. That is nonsensical space magic of a heretofore unseen level. If this crucible/catalyst has the power to meticulously alter the nature of all life throughought the galaxy on to its atomic constituents, then no description short of god is appropriate.

That seems something of a thematic swerve.

I agree, that ending was stupid. Ridiculous space magic. I would have much rathered there be no middle choice.

[SpiderFan1217]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

*snip*

Well thought out. I like that you paid attention. Though I already liked the endings myself, I wouldn't be suprised if this post made people rethink their opinions about them.

[Taleroth]

A middle choice should have been "No. I don't want to let the Reapers define our future. We'll define it ourselves."

Then you shoot the magic crucible beam at the Reapers instead of the relay.

[Dranume]

I am really getting tired of seeing these post how endings are deep and well thought out and all of us seem to be missing it save a few enlightened individuals.

The "point" is that EA created a product and sold it to us, for the most part we enjoyed it, but its that end part that the Majority of us are not happy with and that is what "we" are voicing about. the funny thing is that most of grasp the concept that BW was trying to achieve with these endings, We understand the attempt but are unhappy with the execution.

So step down from your high horse or just leave it alone...

[Dragoni89]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Why didn't you merge synthetic and organic?

I refuse to use that ending. That is nonsensical space magic of a heretofore unseen level. If this crucible/catalyst has the power to meticulously alter the nature of all life throughought the galaxy on to its atomic constituents, then no description short of god is appropriate.

That seems something of a thematic swerve.

I agree, that ending was stupid. Ridiculous space magic. I would have much rathered there be no middle choice.

=.=" So you just trolled us with this tiltle
"People Don't Get the Fantastic Ending..."

GTFO

[SovereignWillReturn]

Taleroth wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Why didn't you merge synthetic and organic?

I refuse to use that ending. That is nonsensical space magic of a heretofore unseen level. If this crucible/catalyst has the power to meticulously alter the nature of all life throughought the galaxy on to its atomic constituents, then no description short of god is appropriate.

That seems something of a thematic swerve.

This. This so hard.

[Gruzmog]

The crew being on the Normandy is fine as you don't know how long you were unconscious.

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Well not really, they were in the final push, so either they should have died trying to get into the light or should be on the citadel with me. Turning around as soon as Shep gets hit hardly makes any sense

[sonogi]

Taleroth wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Why didn't you merge synthetic and organic?

I refuse to use that ending. That is nonsensical space magic of a heretofore unseen level. If this crucible/catalyst has the power to meticulously alter the nature of all life throughought the galaxy on to its atomic constituents, then no description short of god is appropriate.

That seems something of a thematic swerve.

the boy is a god, in a sense. he's a superior, highly evolved intelligence, perhaps a part of some ancient civilization. he's figured it all out, or at least he thinks so.

Modifié par sonogi, 09 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[Nekroso22]

I still don't understand OP's stance. The ending was good because it showed us nothing? It was "deep" somehow?

[QuirkyGroundhog]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Why didn't you merge synthetic and organic?

I refuse to use that ending. That is nonsensical space magic of a heretofore unseen level. If this crucible/catalyst has the power to meticulously alter the nature of all life throughought the galaxy on to its atomic constituents, then no description short of god is appropriate.

That seems something of a thematic swerve.

This. This so hard.

Yeah, as I said in the post, the 'middle' choice is a thematic swerve. I'm of the opinion it was there as a 'happy' ending that still fit with their 'Do you believe in the Cycle / possibility of peace?' ending. I could be wrong there, but yeah, it appears shoehorned in.

[spychi]

delete

Modifié par spychi, 09 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[aim1essgun]

sonogi wrote...

what people didnt seem to understand or accept is that all the endings are essentially about BREAKING THE CYCLE. yes, it would have MADE SENSE for the franchise if the mass relays were left intact, and we continued our adventures. but in the big picture, the writers wanted the protagonist to end the cycle (like Neo in the Matrix i suppose).

Right, because destroying the Mass Relays is important to breaking the cycle somehow? Explain, please. 

[spychi]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...



Well, the easiest answer to this is
that the Protheans built a Relay, so we're probably not TOO far
behind. But beyond that, the answer is in the conversation between
Shepard and the Catalyst. I'll paraphrase, but Shepard basically
says, “We don't want to be preserved, we want a future.”

no they didn't make the relays

[Zulmoka531]

sonogi wrote...

what people didnt seem to understand or accept is that all the endings are essentially about BREAKING THE CYCLE. yes, it would have MADE SENSE for the franchise if the mass relays were left intact, and we continued our adventures. but in the big picture, the writers wanted the protagonist to end the cycle (like Neo in the Matrix i suppose).

Considering that if one chooses the control ending, it in no way shape or form states that the cycle has been ended. For all we know AI Shepard will wait 50k years and come to a "logical" conclusion like his/her predecessor did and restart all this crap.

Telling people they don't "get" or "understand" something is insulting. Many DO understand what has happened, and a great deal of it doesn't make any sense based on MANY things this series has tried to show us in the past.

Ai and organics cannot coexist? We prove that wrong.
Pick the merge ending then? You've just stripped the freedom of choice that's preached about among the series. And then to take that even further, the whole Grandpa and Grandson thing pretty much pisses on that with the whole "no technology" feel that winter scene gives.

I could go on, but it's like a broken record. Just repeating the same things everyone else is dissatisfied with.

And it's OK to like the endings. But don't talk down to others because they disagree, or disprove your opinion.

Modifié par Zulmoka531, 09 mars 2012 - 08:14 .

[QuirkyGroundhog]

Nekroso22 wrote...

I still don't understand OP's stance. The ending was good because it showed us nothing? It was "deep" somehow?

I'm saying that the choice you made at the end (disregarding the 'middle option', which I'm pretty sure was there to be a 'happy' ending) was fundamentally either, "I think organic life being destroyed by synthetic life is inevitable, that history will repeat itself', in which case you destroy the Reapers and synthetic life. OR 'I think peace between synthetic and organic is possible, I don't think history has to repeat itself.' In which case you order the Reapers to leave.

What were the main stories in the Mass Effect universe that culminated in 3? The Genophage and the Geth. Through the franchise you were shown the Krogan question, "Can the Krogan change, or is change impossible? Is history always going to repeat itself?' the Geth question asked, 'Can synthetic and organic life coexist?'

All the choices and major events in the Mass Effect universe should be informing Shepard's decision at the end. "I've seen that peace is impossible / I've seen that peace has a chance'

[QuirkyGroundhog]

spychi wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...



Well, the easiest answer to this is
that the Protheans built a Relay, so we're probably not TOO far
behind. But beyond that, the answer is in the conversation between
Shepard and the Catalyst. I'll paraphrase, but Shepard basically
says, “We don't want to be preserved, we want a future.”

no they didn't make the relays

They built the Conduit, so yes, they built a relay.

Modifié par QuirkyGroundhog, 09 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[SovereignWillReturn]

The Destory ending makes the most sense, but I can't do that because I love the Geth so damn much. I'd just control, but I dunno how that fits, and I dunno how a control tight-beam communication destroys mass relays.

Merge? No, just no. Playing god isn't my thing.

Worst part of the endings? We don't get to see the effect Shepperd had
on the Gakaxy. Do the Krogan find peace? What happens wit the fully
capable Geth, how does civilization evolve after everyone is trapped on
earth?!
What effect does my Blue/Green/Red light have on the galaxy?
Huh? Thanks for detailing my choices Bioware, even the ending to Fallout
3 was better

[QuirkyGroundhog]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Ai and organics cannot coexist? We prove that wrong.
Pick the merge ending then? You've just stripped the freedom of choice that's preached about among the series. And then to take that even further, the whole Grandpa and Grandson thing pretty much pisses on that with the whole "no technology" feel that winter scene gives.

I could go on, but it's like a broken record. Just repeating the same things everyone else is dissatisfied with.

And it's OK to like the endings. But don't talk down to others because they disagree, or disprove your opinion.

But we DON'T prove that wrong. Some of us do. Some players prove peace works. Some don't. Some Shepards prove it's possible. Some Shepards see that it does not work.

[spychi]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

spychi wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...



Well, the easiest answer to this is
that the Protheans built a Relay, so we're probably not TOO far
behind. But beyond that, the answer is in the conversation between
Shepard and the Catalyst. I'll paraphrase, but Shepard basically
says, “We don't want to be preserved, we want a future.”

no they didn't make the relays

They built the Conduit, so yes, they built a relay.

But the conduit was a small relay based of what they learned about the big ones, so its based on reaper tech in which case they did not invented them