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[SLonergan]

Patriota125 wrote...

You still have a choice, simply put, youre facing a race of machines that have been around for millions of years. If anything, they know the meaning of life and all, they can survive in dark space. It wouldnt be realistic if we could defeat the reapers and have sunshine and bunnies without making sacrifices. The ending IS REALISTIC, because it STAYS TRUE TO THE SERIES PARAMETERS.

lol...stays true to the series parameters? 

The series is about fighting back against an impossibility, and your choices determining the fate of the galaxy. In the end, you accept this impossibility, and your choice has no affect.

[Taleroth]

Patriota125 wrote...

[The ending IS REALISTIC, because it STAYS TRUE TO THE SERIES PARAMETERS.

The series parameters are to reject the Reapers assertions of dominance and prove it false.

Nowhere is it better exemplified than the Omega 4 relay. Nobody's ever come back. Until Shepard did.

[Meltemph]

The ending IS REALISTIC, because it STAYS TRUE TO THE SERIES PARAMETERS.

Synthisys and destruction... is not the REALISTIC parameters of the series. Seriously, A giant laser beam that changes the dna of every synthetic and organism to mix, right away? Or an explosion that can tell the difference between a space ship and a geth? The paragon one, ok ya, it makes more sense, but the others... Just no.

Modifié par Meltemph, 09 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[f4rris]

You don't get to see what happens after, , this feels like all your choices had no impact whatsoever,

Did the Geth and the Quarians rebuild and live in harmony, did the Krogan flourish?, etc etc.

That's what pisses me off.
Other than that, the endings are "good"....

[Ishiken]

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

The Genophage. The Geth. The ways you personally touched many, many people. How did your actions have no impact? Just because they didn't directly affect the main story's conclusion doesn't mean they had no impact.

Even then, I'd argue vehemently that they did affect the story's conclusion in that how you dealt with those problems should affect how you choose at the end.

You cured the Genophage but destroyed all the Mass Relays. So basically you cured the Genophage, but you vaporized Tuchanka since a Mass Replay explosion wipes out an entire star system.

[panamakira]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Not just BSN, go to any site with a mass effect forum. Evn YouTube is upset.


-Polite

Any Mass Effect 3 article I read has people upset about it. Even on Facebook people are pretty vocal about the dissappointing endings.

[Meltemph]

f4rris wrote...

You don't get to see what happens after, , this feels like all your choices had no impact whatsoever,

Did the Geth and the Quarians rebuild and live in harmony, did the Krogan flourish?, etc etc.

That's what pisses me off.
Other than that, the endings are "good"....

IMO, the choices you have to make at the end, makes those worries inconcequential since you littereally wreaked havoc on the galaxy and everything we have come to know about the galaxy under the ME universe.  

[Ishiken]

Tahleron1 wrote...

QuirkyGroundhog wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

To be fair Quirky, it's admirable you're trying to defend the game but it's more honest to admit that the game has a lot of problems and a lot of people were shafted and in some form BioWare was lazy and if you don't agree with them being lazy or not caring, then I have to ask you why we haven't heard anything from BioWare outside of numerous threads being closed, moved, or deleted.

Well, people have brought up criticisms in this thread I've agreed with, it's certainly not a game without flaws.

But why is Bioware acting that way? If I were to guess? Probably because it's a company of individuals who poured their heart and soul into a franchise over, what, 6 years? And now that it's over they're being told they've retroactively ruined all of it. I think that's probably one of the reasons I'm defending it so vehemently, this backlash feels really....cheap.

Perhaps they can ask the guys from swtor to pass that question onto george lucas, lol

I didn't really dislike the endings, destroying the mass relays and citadel made sense (it was a weapon designed to destroy the reapers, the mass relays and citadel were part of their weapon, overloading the mass relays to power said weapon is easily the most logical choice), as for the choices, the protheans for example would have clearly chosen "destroy".

The Reapers purpose was kind of obvious by 2, 3 really just confirmed it, in a way i was kind of disappointed that they were almost exactly what i thought they were, too many hints.

Most people want happy endings, it's why almost every damn movie ends like that, none of these endings were "happy", or really anywhere close to.

Btw, the merge ending symbolized cooperation, which is why its only enabled by having a high enough readiness rating through (wait for it...)cooperation of the other races; cheesy? sure, doesn't make sense? not at all.

The problem with the merge ending was that it completely invalidates the story about the Yahg and the Krogans. You cannnot force evolution and uplift species when they are not ready. A radical shift like merging synthetics and organics without an accompanying change in mentality causes strife and destruction.

[Elizabeth Lestrad]

Agreed, I totally understood what they were trying to go for in the endings, but they were still terrible endings for several reasons (some which have been pointed out already.

1) What happened to your team (In my case, Tali & Garrus)
The poster who brought this up is right. The team would have been killed or have dragged Shepard back to the normandy. Not left him/her on their own and said 'screw it were leaving'. Especially after all the prior conversations about how much they respect Shepard, etc. Yet SOMEHOW they all show up back on the Normandy which was apparantly trying to run and leave everyone else behind.

2) None of the prep mattered.
I agree completley. The pre-counter attack cutscene says how 'everyone' is there, but the cutscene only shows Turian, Alliance, and Quarian ships. No Krogan ships, no Geth cruisers,etc. You dont see or hide or tail of Aria's mercs, you barely see the Krogan involved. Its like the rest of the galaxy said nevermind screw Earth, let the Turians and Krogan die.

3) The Reapers & The Illusive Man win.
Shepards comment "So the Illusive Man was right" was a slap in the face, and the fact that the entire galaxy seems to have no choice but to be assimilated and get sent back to the stone age or just get sent back to the stonage, or die. So even if the Reapers are destroyed or sent away, they still get the last laugh.

4) Romance
Honestly, if I knew Bioware was going to stab us in the back with a lousy cop-out reveal for Tali, let alone forcing the death of Shepard (yes I am aware of the no-so-secret secret ending) and the banishment of his/her team to some remote planet in some M-Night-Shamalan grade ending twist, I wouldnt have bothered at all. Honestly it renders the entire idea meaningless.

5) Joker.
Ok, so no matter what "ending" you choose, the entire ME universe gets screwed over being forced to go back to the stone age, the armies getting stranded on earth unable to return to their home worlds (feel most sorry for the Quarians, LOL?), and Shepard's team is lost to the cosmos while he/she survives (which I am presuming is the cannon ending, since other games have done it before having secret endings be the true ending). But while the rest of the galaxy is delivered one big slap in the face during the "Last Laugh of the Reapers", its JOKER/EDI that get the happy ending??!! I'm sorry, if every one else gets to be miserable its only fair that he gets to be miserable too.

[dkear1]

All I want to know is which EA vice presidents 3 year old nephew/niece came up with the ending and wrote it in crayon?

Oh, and how is it that anyone at bioware didn't say: "WHAT??? NO!!!!"

[Gigerstreak]

dkear1 wrote...

All I want to know is which EA vice presidents 3 year old nephew/niece came up with the ending and wrote it in crayon?

Oh, and how is it that anyone at bioware didn't say: "WHAT??? NO!!!!"

^This

[Johnnycide]

Patriota125 wrote...

...The ending IS REALISTIC, because it STAYS TRUE TO THE SERIES PARAMETERS.

Series parameters? You must be new to Mass Effect. In mass Effect 2 you were presented with a suicide mission, which by all definitions should have meant no one should have survived. Yet you can obtain an ending in which your entire team survives. If that didn't set the parameters, that atleast raised everyone's expectation that there is a possibility of winning.

The choices you allude to are fine if you are playing Mass Effect 3 in a vacuum, independent of the first 2 games. For the rest of us who played through 1 and 2 we were expecting that Mass Effect 3 would reflect on the choices made in those past 2 games.

Lastly, petty insults do not make you appear intelligent or validate your points.

[Niraven]

SLonergan wrote...

lol...stays true to the series parameters? 

The series is about fighting back against an impossibility, and your choices determining the fate of the galaxy. In the end, you accept this impossibility, and your choice has no affect.

This, this, one thousand times this.

[ColArcher]

Aesieru wrote...
No matter how many forces you assemble... you die.
No matter how many forces you assemble... you only see Turian and Humans primarily.
No matter how many fleets you assemble, you lose.
No matter how many soldiers you assemble, you barely survive anything.

The preparation was really worth nothing when you actually get to the end.

The battle before the ending was terrible in terms of level design, so terrible I will personally just skip it the next time (I'll use a console cheat).

Basically the first and second part of the game don't really matter at all in the end.

And you can't argue with the Catalyst / Guardian either.

Ya, thats what Irked me the most.
My MASSIVE Fleet of Death should of obliterated the reapers!
The Insane ammount of soldiers I had should of cuased a small earth quake when they marched!

For the Fleet Battle It really makes me mad that instead of everyone focusing fire on 1 Reaper they all decided to shoot at random reapers. Everyone going into that fight knew it was a Do or Die Situation, All or Nothing! but yet, they decided to fire randomly at everything comeing there way? With full knowledge that they wouldent even tickle them like that.

All of them Knew Reapers were Really really hard to kill, Sovereign destroyed the citedel fleet and flagship withought takeing a scratch, how meny ships were there attacking him? 50? 100? No more than 500 if i remember right :s
Now think about 50 000+ ships all relentlessly fireing on 1 Reaper, even a Sovereign class Reaper would be destroyed in a matter of seconds from that bombardment, Not to mention the Geth haveing intamit details on the Reapers, soft spots and all that.

How about my Legion of Doom? why did I only see humans? what happend to the 20+ races I recruited?
At one point Dident the Krogan and Rachni threaten to take over the universe? I know im just guessing on this one but I bet with a full breeding Rachni queen and Cured Krogan that you could have a full blown army REALLY REALLY quickly! Hell, The Rachni alone should be able to do most of the damage!
Whare are my endless tides of soldiers?!?
I guess Krogan take a fiew years to grow up but still...

I wasent expecting the ground forces to take out that meny Reapers but Atleast clear all the Reaper forces from the area Immediatly! Just think about how much Damage a Krogan rideing a Rachni could do! |

Any Who, it would of been nice to see my Armada of Awesomeness do something other than take out 1 Reaper dreadnaut and a fiew Fighter's.

I was really hopeing for a more "Dragon Age" ending, where your armys really did do something other than look cool

I could also rant on for days over the Unawnserd questions and the Mass Ammounts of new ones but I wont ahah... ill just ask one question that seemed like the worst possible idea ever: Why go around killing advanced Organic life instead of killing off the Synth's? I mean REALLY! thats the BEST idea that ghostly AI/Advanced Being could come up with?
"My Lord! The AI's Are Revolting! What Do We DO?"
"KILL EVERYTHING!!!"
"..Really?.. couldent we just Stop the AI? We Could Stop The AI and Make Sure all Races Never Build anything like them again!"
"Nope! Kill it all! we need MOAR Reapers!"
You would think after a fiew mellenia of not saying anything about the
dangers of AI then gathering people to turn into Reapers would get
deppresing...

I havent slept in 3 days (Thanks ME 3) so sorry this is all jumpy and doesent make any sence and the spelling is bad ahaha

[Patriota125]

What I meant with series parameters is that, the whole fvcking series we've been told the Reapers are an unknown force that have been around for millions, billions or maybe trillions of years in the galaxy, to take out ONE reaper the had to sacrifice a lot of people, a lot of firepower was needed, just to take out one of them.

They can survive in dark space, more intelligent, they have been reapeating the same cycle millions of times, how can you win that war? It's obvious we couldnt have "won" without making serious sacrifices... if you think there couldve been sunshine and bunnies even with all that, then you crearly need to grow up.

Modifié par Patriota125, 10 mars 2012 - 12:41 .

[Golferguy758]

Please don't insult the intelligence of posters by saying that they simply don't "get" something.

[Patriota125]

Posters insult their own intelligence themselves by bìtchìng about the ending.

Modifié par Patriota125, 10 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[Eterna]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Not just BSN, go to any site with a mass effect forum. Evn YouTube is upset.


-Polite

Youtube is always upset. 

[Knight Terror]

Synthetics vs. Organics was never the main theme of Mass Effect. Never. It was always just a side-story, and the only race that really dealt with it were the Quarians.

The main theme has ALWAYS been: Can we rise above our differences and unite for the greater good?

The 3 endings, literally, ignore that theme and basically tell you everything you've been working for and building, was worthless and wrong.

You don't need a Bachelor's Degree in philosophy to see this.

[Sywen]

Knight Terror wrote...

Synthetics vs. Organics was never the main theme of Mass Effect. Never. It was always just a side-story, and the only race that really dealt with it were the Quarians.

The main theme has ALWAYS been: Can we rise above our differences and unite for the greater good?

The 3 endings, literally, ignore that theme and basically tell you everything you've been working for and building, was worthless and wrong.

You don't need a Bachelor's Degree in philosophy to see this.

exactly...you put it into better words then I ever could

[Golferguy758]

Patriota125 wrote...

Posters insult their own intelligence themselves by bìtchìng about the ending.

Cute.

Tell me, since we are going the ultra gritty realistic route. What was your opinion on World War 1. Pretty damn terrible to the point of thinking that no good could come of it, yes?

Fun fact. World war 1 had opposing forces play soccer together, eat food together, and sing together when the day before they were slaughtering each other, and the day after they would slaughter each other.

But maybe that's a bit too real for you. Lord of the rings was a damn bleak story. nothing seemed to be going right. Men had their backs to the wall, sacrifices were made, but eventually a happy ending came about due to perseverence.

I suppose you would want Sauron to have won in LotR. After all pretty unrealistic that a single little hobbit could make it all the way through Mordor when it's crawling in orcs.

Regardless, you have your opinion just as other posters have theirs. Do not insult their intelligence because they want an additional ending to the story of their Shepard,

[MrRiadon]

Fantastic? Perhaps I need a higher paragon score to persuade this indoctrinated individual to suicide.

[Jigero]

Patriota125 wrote...

What I meant with series parameters is that, the whole fvcking series we've been told the Reapers are an unknown force that have been around for millions, billions or maybe trillions of years in the galaxy, to take out ONE reaper the had to sacrifice a lot of people, a lot of firepower was needed, just to take out one of them.

They can survive in dark space, more intelligent, they have been reapeating the same cycle millions of times, how can you win that war? It's obvious we couldnt have "won" without making serious sacrifices... if you think there couldve been sunshine and bunnies even with all that, then you crearly need to grow up.

Oh please, Ignoring the fact that shepard has done things no normal human from that universe can do and survive it and used ever increasingly ridcioulous things to acheive said impossible things, Shepard just magically out of no where accepts the impossible?

Hey remeber when both Harabinger and Sovreign kept telling him he's going to fail, and there was no way to stop them and he basiclly just says f*** you, we will find a way?

But apparently that all goes out the window because the Catalyist said so.

Modifié par Jigero, 10 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[Eterna]

J5550123 wrote...

Bioware seems to be closing all threads where people are upset about the ending, yet threads like this that praise the ending to no end keep growing and don't get locked. I wonder if Bioware is trying to hide the complaints. Hmm...

 That's because a new I hate the ending thread is made every 3 minutes. It's spam, stop trying to see things that aren't there.