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[TheMadBlimper]

It was once said in an interview with project director Casey Hudson that the Mass Effect 3 will have "wildly different conclusions" pending on what you did in ME1 and ME2. We really only got 1 ending with 3 different spins on it, yet they all ultimately end the same exact way. I'm very disappointed.

[zenoxis]

Arcian wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

zenoxis wrote...

What future???

The post-Reaper, post-Relay future where organic and/or synthetics live, obviously.

A series about the re-connection of the galaxy would fit well.

The relays are gone,

Can be rebuilt.

everyone is stranded,

FTL still exists.

Joker and the crew are not fighting for Earth for some reason.

That one is odd.

Everything is ruined.

And ready to be rebuilt.

How can he even talk about the future??

How can there be a future after any cataclysmic event?

By the survivors regrouping, rebuilding, and recovering.

Please. EVERYONE. Just listen to Dean. He knows what he's talking about.

Refer to previous post to understand why "Dean" has no idea what he's talking about in terms of canon.

[Holiday]

corx3 wrote...

Wow. You people, and the majority of the forum it seems, are so closed minded and negative. Could they have done the endings better? Yeah, they could have. For the "destroy" ending they could have made the explosion thing more delayed as the Citadel slowly crumbles, and you get enough time to escape the Citadel and be rescued by an awaiting normandy -- provided your EMS is high enough.

However, now that the Mass Relays are gone, every species is going to have discover how to FTL to other clusters. Many planets are now multicultural. There are Asari, Quarians, Turians, and etc. on Earth. Perhaps the dextros will find a way to synthesize dextro chirality food. The Krogan don't have females, but they also seem nearly impervious to death from old age. Earth will rebuild into a multicultural society. You have other planets which are now the same. Human and alien populations isolated from each other. You know what I smell? A brand new IP set in the future with tech that is roughly equivalent to ME tech... but entirely different. It's an opportunity to redo the future-action RPG from another angle.

Yes. The endings pave the way to new games. Was it the only way? No. It could have been done much more elegantly. But, I will buy the new game title, when/if it comes out. And nearly all of you will too. You're all having childish fits. But don't kid yourself. When you see that epic trailer and epic release anouncement, you will squeal like a school girl and throw all your money at EAware yet again.

This. I remember when there were people saying they'd never buy anything DA-related after DA2, yet those same people bought all of the DLC and will probably buy DA3 and the next ME game.

[Arlionis]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

I mean how can Mass Effect even have a future the ending got rid of the effing MASS EFFECT!! That would be like at the end of RotJ they killed off the force.

The mass effect principle wasn't killed but the relays. I hope at least the Asari start building their own mass relays (which according to matriarch Aethyta in ME2 they were capable of  pulling it off if they wanted to). The Geth being technologically independent from the Reapers are another candidate. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 09 mars 2012 - 10:15 .

[zenoxis]

Holiday wrote...

corx3 wrote...

Wow. You people, and the majority of the forum it seems, are so closed minded and negative. Could they have done the endings better? Yeah, they could have. For the "destroy" ending they could have made the explosion thing more delayed as the Citadel slowly crumbles, and you get enough time to escape the Citadel and be rescued by an awaiting normandy -- provided your EMS is high enough.

However, now that the Mass Relays are gone, every species is going to have discover how to FTL to other clusters. Many planets are now multicultural. There are Asari, Quarians, Turians, and etc. on Earth. Perhaps the dextros will find a way to synthesize dextro chirality food. The Krogan don't have females, but they also seem nearly impervious to death from old age. Earth will rebuild into a multicultural society. You have other planets which are now the same. Human and alien populations isolated from each other. You know what I smell? A brand new IP set in the future with tech that is roughly equivalent to ME tech... but entirely different. It's an opportunity to redo the future-action RPG from another angle.

Yes. The endings pave the way to new games. Was it the only way? No. It could have been done much more elegantly. But, I will buy the new game title, when/if it comes out. And nearly all of you will too. You're all having childish fits. But don't kid yourself. When you see that epic trailer and epic release anouncement, you will squeal like a school girl and throw all your money at EAware yet again.

This. I remember when there were people saying they'd never buy anything DA-related after DA2, yet those same people bought all of the DLC and will probably buy DA3 and the next ME game.

You know this how?

[JrSlackin]

Rhayth wrote...

Devin the Wanderer wrote...

Rhayth wrote...

I like all these people that say FTL still exist.

The destroy ending leaves Reapers, Geth, Mass Relays, and EDI all destroyed...so how do you figure FTL was left unharmed?

So I assume you believe we go at sub-light speeds when travelling from star system to star system in any given cluster?

The issue isn't what I believe the issue is what all damage was done by the Catalyst.  It killed Reapers, Geth, and EDI...how do you know with conviction that things like FTL, and Omni Tools even still work.  We don't know cause we have no answers.  Til we get answers it's all theory of what they do or don't have anymore.  I just find it hard to believe that FTL and Omni exist when we know Geth aren't Reaper design they were created by Quarians.  EDI was created by Cerberus as just a VI.  So obviously the effect was very widespread amongst technology.

Alright, so let's grab Return of the Jedi ok.
-Instead of how showing Han, Lia, Chewi, etc blowing up the shield generator, let's not show it.
-Instead of showing how Lando blew up the Death Star let's not show it, instead it blows up SOME HOW with Vader throwing Palpatine down.
-Lastly, let's let the movie end and credits roll as SOON as the Death Star blows up, no celebration, nothing.

You can rant on theories they're only theories, you saying one thing doesn't mean it's correct, nor does someone saying another mean it's correct as well, because oh wait, they ended it with no conclusion so now it's up to them to do something else.

So GG to everyone making theories because it's nearly pointless.

[AxisEvolve]

Rhayth wrote...

I like all these people that say FTL still exist.

The destroy ending leaves Reapers, Geth, Mass Relays, and EDI all destroyed...so how do you figure FTL was left unharmed?

There are hints that FTL is possible even without the Mass Relays. It's not just people speculating. It's implied in game.

[zenoxis]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Rhayth wrote...

I like all these people that say FTL still exist.

The destroy ending leaves Reapers, Geth, Mass Relays, and EDI all destroyed...so how do you figure FTL was left unharmed?

There are hints that FTL is possible even without the Mass Relays. It's not just people speculating. It's implied in game.

it doesn't matter. FTL takes decades even centuries to get anywhere significant. How do people not get this?

[Lyriq]

Rhayth wrote...

I like all these people that say FTL still exist.

The destroy ending leaves Reapers, Geth, Mass Relays, and EDI all destroyed...so how do you figure FTL was left unharmed?

editing from my phone and apparently shift doesnnt work... 
they do actually have conventional ftl. you can see it in some the loading screens, when the normandy is in transit between solar systems, but the relays arennt in tact, meaning they cannt use them to warp across the galaxy in seconds. they can travel at ftl, just at a much, much, much slower rate.

[Tazzmission]

zenoxis wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

zenoxis wrote...

What future???

The post-Reaper, post-Relay future where organic and/or synthetics live, obviously.

A series about the re-connection of the galaxy would fit well.

The relays are gone,

Can be rebuilt.

everyone is stranded,

FTL still exists.

Joker and the crew are not fighting for Earth for some reason.

That one is odd.

Everything is ruined.

And ready to be rebuilt.

How can he even talk about the future??

How can there be a future after any cataclysmic event?

By the survivors regrouping, rebuilding, and recovering.

This has too much fail for me to tackle that I don't even want to. Must be a troll for how little he understands mass effect canon.

funny how the catsyst tells you if you that you will destroy SOME NOT ALL BUT SOME technology

pay attention next time you decide to rip on anyone regarding lore

Modifié par Tazzmission, 09 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[Almostfaceman]

zenoxis wrote...

On Mac Walter's twitter: "Really looking forward to the future of the Mass Effect franchise after the ME3 endings." 

What future??? The relays are gone, everyone is stranded, Joker and the crew are not fighting for Earth for some reason. Everything is ruined. How can he even talk about the future??

My god, the fact that these endings are this bad is a clear indication that Mass Effect HAS TO DIE before it's ruined anymore than it already has. Plotholes up the ass? Unfulfilling conclusions creating more questions than they nswer? This is NOT what an ending is supposed to do, they're supposed to give closure and yet you're talking about ME's future? END IT before it gets any worse please I BEG YOU.

Well he's entitled to his opinion, but if they don't un-fubar the ending(s) you can count me out of the future of the franchise.

[Ishiken]

Also the destroy ending makes no sense when you compare it to the control ending. Basically if you opt to control the reapers, then you become the next VI and become the Reaper Overlord; however when you select to destroy the reapers, then you destroy all synthetics. So the beam is fine tuned in the Control Ending to only control the reapers, but the beam can't be fine tuned to just destroy the reapers in the Destroy Ending.

There are plenty of ways to move away from the Shepard story without having to kill Shepard and strand the entire Normandy Crew in a strange planet. They can jump the story forward in time, they can introduce a new protagonist character and say that Shepard has retired. There are so many ways to end this game without Christmas light show. If this is how their best work for the ending, then I would not purchase another Bioware game until well after it gets completely released.

Modifié par Ishiken, 09 mars 2012 - 10:21 .

[Vajraja]

Holiday wrote...

corx3 wrote...

Wow. You people, and the majority of the forum it seems, are so closed minded and negative. Could they have done the endings better? Yeah, they could have. For the "destroy" ending they could have made the explosion thing more delayed as the Citadel slowly crumbles, and you get enough time to escape the Citadel and be rescued by an awaiting normandy -- provided your EMS is high enough.

However, now that the Mass Relays are gone, every species is going to have discover how to FTL to other clusters. Many planets are now multicultural. There are Asari, Quarians, Turians, and etc. on Earth. Perhaps the dextros will find a way to synthesize dextro chirality food. The Krogan don't have females, but they also seem nearly impervious to death from old age. Earth will rebuild into a multicultural society. You have other planets which are now the same. Human and alien populations isolated from each other. You know what I smell? A brand new IP set in the future with tech that is roughly equivalent to ME tech... but entirely different. It's an opportunity to redo the future-action RPG from another angle.

Yes. The endings pave the way to new games. Was it the only way? No. It could have been done much more elegantly. But, I will buy the new game title, when/if it comes out. And nearly all of you will too. You're all having childish fits. But don't kid yourself. When you see that epic trailer and epic release anouncement, you will squeal like a school girl and throw all your money at EAware yet again.

This. I remember when there were people saying they'd never buy anything DA-related after DA2, yet those same people bought all of the DLC and will probably buy DA3 and the next ME game.

Then there are people like me who did buy all of the DLC for DA:O but since I was very disappointed with DA2 (pre-ordered) I have not bought any of the DA2 DLC, and won't in the future.

I am definitely taking a wait and see attitude with anything Bioware does in the future - ME3 was an amazing game overall so I'm not going to complain about the whole thing. But the ending really did manage to kill it for me.

[Eumerin]

Lyriq wrote...

Rhayth wrote...

I like all these people that say FTL still exist.

The destroy ending leaves Reapers, Geth, Mass Relays, and EDI all destroyed...so how do you figure FTL was left unharmed?

editing from my phone and apparently shift doesnnt work... 
they do actually have conventional ftl. you can see it in some the loading screens, when the normandy is in transit between solar systems, but the relays arennt in tact, meaning they cannt use them to warp across the galaxy in seconds. they can travel at ftl, just at a much, much, much slower rate.

iirc, there's also a note about FTL in one of the Reaper entries in the Codex.  It indicates that Reaper FTL travel (used, for instance, to travel from a certain solar system that just had it's Relay blown up) is believed to be about twice as fast as Council FTL travel speeds.

FTL does exist, but it's much slower than Relay travel, which can transit across the galaxy almost instantaneously.  It's only used to travel from a system with a Relay to nearby systems that don't have Relays.

[corx3]

[quote]CySR2 wrote...

[quote]You're making assumptions, just like the rest of us here.  It's all we have at the moment.  Even if 50% of the people claiming they won't buy again actually follow through, it will be a good sized group.

I just hope people here actually take action and post on the twitter pages of the writers and devs.  It's safe to say they don't read these forums, just like i'm sure whatever company you work for has a facebook page that no one at the company reads. [/quote]

You say  "even" 50% as if that is even realistic. When a new future-action RPG comes out with the Bioware title, nearly all of you will purchase it.

Modifié par corx3, 09 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[General User]

zenoxis wrote...
Relays cannot be rebuilt, even the protheans were at the height of understanding mass relay technology, but vigil specifically stated that they had barely scratched the surface of understanding how it works. Not to mention the relays were built by the reapers.

And yet a few isolated prothean scientists managed to construct a functioning relay.  It's only a matter of time before someone (or multiple someones) in the post-ME3 galaxy does the same.

zenoxis wrote...
FTL forces people to travel for CENTURIES, yes CENTURIES to get anywhere that would take seconds via mass relay, it is not a viable option unless you're traveling short distances. This is specifically stated in Mass Effect's codex.

Did you ever think that maybe one of the reasons more effective, longer range, faster ship board FTL drives were never invented was because, thanks to the presence of the mass relays, they were never needed? 

Is that "necessity is the mother of invention" or "your civilization develops along the paths we desire"?  Take your pick, I guess.

zenoxis wrote...
Everything can be rebuilt? No. Everything cannot be rebuilt. Ignoring the fact that with the mass relays gone any humanitarian effort will be obstructed to any other planet, everyone is now stuck on Earth. What can they do? Earth was one of the first planets to be attacked, it NEEDS assistance from other planets, but good luck getting it withou the relays.

Survivors regrouping and rebuilding? Now this is just grasping for straws. Refer to previous comment about Earth not having what it needs to "rebuild".

PJ O'Rourke once wrote that living things must be fairly resilient, otherwise they wouldn't be living.  In some cases things can be rebuilt, in other cases something new will take their place.  Life on Earth and elsewhere will go on.

Modifié par General User, 09 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[humes spork]

Ishiken wrote...

Also the destroy ending makes no sense when you compare it to the control ending. Basically if you opt to control the reapers, then you become the next VI and become the Reaper Overlord

The control ending doesn't imply that.

The only thing you can reasonably infer from the control ending is that Shepard seizes control just long enough to order the Reapers to retreat into dark space before dying.

[Texhnolyze101]

Holiday wrote...

corx3 wrote...

Wow. You people, and the majority of the forum it seems, are so closed minded and negative. Could they have done the endings better? Yeah, they could have. For the "destroy" ending they could have made the explosion thing more delayed as the Citadel slowly crumbles, and you get enough time to escape the Citadel and be rescued by an awaiting normandy -- provided your EMS is high enough.

However, now that the Mass Relays are gone, every species is going to have discover how to FTL to other clusters. Many planets are now multicultural. There are Asari, Quarians, Turians, and etc. on Earth. Perhaps the dextros will find a way to synthesize dextro chirality food. The Krogan don't have females, but they also seem nearly impervious to death from old age. Earth will rebuild into a multicultural society. You have other planets which are now the same. Human and alien populations isolated from each other. You know what I smell? A brand new IP set in the future with tech that is roughly equivalent to ME tech... but entirely different. It's an opportunity to redo the future-action RPG from another angle.

Yes. The endings pave the way to new games. Was it the only way? No. It could have been done much more elegantly. But, I will buy the new game title, when/if it comes out. And nearly all of you will too. You're all having childish fits. But don't kid yourself. When you see that epic trailer and epic release anouncement, you will squeal like a school girl and throw all your money at EAware yet again.

This. I remember when there were people saying they'd never buy anything DA-related after DA2, yet those same people bought all of the DLC and will probably buy DA3 and the next ME game.

The only people who bought anything for that POS game are the people who actually liked it i hate and and didn't buy anything for it as there was no real reason to same with ME3 there is absolutely no reason nor point to buy dlc for it at ALL.

Modifié par 101ezylonhxeT, 09 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[AxisEvolve]

zenoxis wrote...
it doesn't matter. FTL takes decades even centuries to get anywhere significant. How do people not get this?

What? I never said "They can travel around the universe again now!!" All I said was that FTL travel is possible. I didn't say where it could take them or how long it would take. 

[Taleroth]

zenoxis wrote...


it doesn't matter. FTL takes decades even centuries to get anywhere significant. How do people not get this?

Alliance FTL is something like 4,000x the speed of light. They could cross the entire galaxy in 23 years. Reaching Asari space should take only a handful. Now years is a long time to spend stuck on a ship, but not decades or centures.

Modifié par Taleroth, 09 mars 2012 - 10:27 .

[Svests]

zenoxis wrote...

Relays cannot be rebuilt, even the protheans were at the height of understanding mass relay technology, but vigil specifically stated that they had barely scratched the surface of understanding how it works. Not to mention the relays were built by the reapers.

FTL forces people to travel for CENTURIES, yes CENTURIES to get anywhere that would take seconds via mass relay, it is not a viable option unless you're traveling short distances. This is specifically stated in Mass Effect's codex.

The protheans actually built a functioning relay, the Conduit.  Even if they didn't fully understand it they obviously were able to build one anyways.

It would not take centuries to travel around the galaxy without relays.  No idea where you got that but its simply not true.  Earth is about 4 months away from Noveria by conventional FTL drives, and it would take about 20-30 years to fly across the entire galaxy with them.

[Luvinn]

Yea, its not the Mass Effect universe anymore. Might as just call the next game "This moment in time" instead of Mass Effect because that will be right about the technology level we will be left with.

[lockdown51]

[inappropriate comment removed] I for one will never buy any product his name is remotely connected with, nor will I ever buy anything from Bioware again. Fool me once with DA2, shame on me. Fool me twice with ME3. Well I can't type what I want cause it would be bleeped out.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 09 mars 2012 - 10:30 .

[Nyaore]

Vajraja wrote...

Then there are people like me who did buy all of the DLC for DA:O but since I was very disappointed with DA2 (pre-ordered) I have not bought any of the DA2 DLC, and won't in the future.

I am definitely taking a wait and see attitude with anything Bioware does in the future - ME3 was an amazing game overall so I'm not going to complain about the whole thing. But the ending really did manage to kill it for me.

It's the same for me. I won't completely discount Bioware, especially since both games had glimmers of greatness hidden under them. Hell, ME3 was well on it's way to becoming my favorite entry in the series before the ending came out and bit me in the ass.