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[Arlionis]

I'll take as granted for the sake of argument (even if I don't agree a priori with it) that organics and synthetics cannot coexist and eventually machines will always rise to destroy the organics so the Reapers exist to reset the cycle and preserve organics as a museum piece by turning them into Reapers.


I wonder, then, what's the issue with machines replacing organics? why does the Guardian feel it has to intervene and stop it? isn't a more efficient/apt species replacing a less efficient/apt species the primordial building block of evolution? the ****** sapiens added a lot of competition and pressure to the neanderthals, and that drove them to extinction, this same happened with countless other species in our planet and it's a pattern seen everywhere. Basically, the Guardian just goes against basic rules of nature. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 09 mars 2012 - 09:36 .

[Huyna]

Guardian is a shortsighted idiot. Hundreds of thousand years old, yes, but nevertheless.
A player can end 300 years Morning War. Geth and quarians rebuilding homeplanet TOGETHER. Geth even help their creators to recreate a immunity system. But no, that is not enough for Big G. even to stop and think for a moment - "Maybe i am doing something wrong?'
p.s.
By the way, rachni achived space flight, but we never heard that they used any VI. So, maybe it depens on organics, eh, mr. Guardian?

[Dean_the_Young]

Huyna wrote...

Guardian is a shortsighted idiot. Hundreds of thousand years old, yes, but nevertheless.
A player can end 300 years Morning War. Geth and quarians rebuilding homeplanet TOGETHER. Geth even help their creators to recreate a immunity system. But no, that is not enough for Big G. even to stop and think for a moment - "Maybe i am doing something wrong?'

This is akin to arguing that, because a ball can be thrown up, that gravity is thus disproven. There are plenty of aberations that exist in reliable trends: a repeating coin flip will eventually meet a statistical even 50-50, but that doesn't mean you can't flip a hundred heads in a row. That there can be peace now does not mean that there always will be peace: after all, the Geth haven't even entered their own intended singularity project.

While the Guardian does have a flawed argument, it's more in that it is non-falsifiable than in anything Shepard sees. The Guardian's argument is based on an inevitability argument that something is likely to still happen in the future... which, while true, is a flawed argument.

p.s.
By the way, rachni achived space flight, but we never heard that they used any VI. So, maybe it depens on organics, eh, mr. Guardian?

Or maybe they do, and you should gather some proof before arguing the opposite.

[Huyna]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

This is akin to arguing that, because a ball can be thrown up, that gravity is thus disproven.

How is it akin? All i said that Guardian should look at the result of geth/quarian peace and think. If it still remembers how to do it.
You are a master of a race, that wipe out advanced organic civilizations  every 50000 under assumption, that syntetic will rebel and destroy all organics. Suddenly, you see that a single organic was able to negotaite peace between synthetics and organics after a centuries of confllict. And not just cease fire, no, much more than  that. And final sacrifice was made by synthetic with developed pesonality.  It's a good reason to take at least a pause and think.

Dean_the_Young wrote...
That there can be peace now does not mean that there always will be peace: after all, the Geth haven't even entered their own intended singularity project.

Maybe? 50/50?  How can Guardian base entyre cycles on assumption?

Dean_the_Young wrote...
 The Guardian's argument is based on an inevitability argument that something is likely to still happen in the future... which, while true, is a flawed argument.

If  argument is flawed, than it puts all "cycle system" under question.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Or maybe they do, and you should gather some proof before arguing the opposite.

Or maybe they do not, and Guardian should try to observe every cycle with great consideration, instead
of treat every organic evolution the same way.

Modifié par Huyna, 09 mars 2012 - 10:02 .