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[Cyaxares]

SandTrout wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

A true Paragorn Sheppard would've interrupted that little Catalyst brat and dropped an epic speech on his ignorant little ass . So he doesn't have to chose from the non-sense that is presented to him as an option.

Any true Shepard would have done this, with the Renegade going full "F-U!" and ordering Hacket to destroy the citadel and the Catalyst with it.

So after all the galaxy fought so hard to build the Crucible to save themselves from the reapers, Shepard just say F-U!, and leave everyone to die, because he doesnt like other options. It is very clear through the game that Crucible is the only hope to stop the reapers. If he doesnt choose, everybody die.

Modifié par sbarchak, 11 mars 2012 - 04:09 .

[Furluge]

sbarchak wrote...

So after all the galaxy fought so hard to build the Crucible to save themselves from the reapers, Shepard just say F-U!, and leave everyone to die, because he doesnt like other options. It is very clear through the game that Crucible is the only hope to stop the reapers. If he doesnt choose, everybody die.

Oh there's that ending too. If you start to go toward one path, and realize you've gone down the wrong path and try to turn around you get this little gem. ;p

http://steamcommunit...06954732717602?

There's no explosion or fade to black for that BTW. Just text pops up and it's reload time. XD

Interestingly enough if you turn around from the "Spacebaby" and walk away from the choices you can see an un-textured section of space. (You can identify these areas by moving your camera, the area in question will become a repeating after-images of the station textures.) So apparently it never occured to Bioware that anyone would ever just turn around and walk away... though it did occur to them that someone might say, "Oh crap, wrong path!" and then try to turn around and then it kills you for it. ;p

Modifié par Furluge, 11 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[Heather Cline]

Paragon and Renegade Shepard would both tell the AI controlling everything and the Reapers to screw off since there was peace with the Geth if you chose that path in the game and that they didn't need a cycle of extinction. That the AI should just self destruct and take the reapers with it. She would then take the elevator back down, hop in a shuttle and head back to earth to be with her LI and the Normandy would not be in hyperspace for no freaking reason either.

[mrowi]

I honestly don't know how people can think that the synthesis ending is a paragon choice. Even if you are willing to turn off your brain and overlook all the space magic involved - it's not even an ending. In my opinion it changes nothing. So the organic and synthetic life are merged to create a new life form, a single species. What exactly does it solve? People living on Earth are of the same species and yet millenia of our history show that we are willing to wage one war after another. Nations subdue other nations, fight over territory and ideals. The source of the inevitable (according to the catalyst child at least) conflict between the organics and the synthetics is of the same nature – it was never a racial conflict but a conflict between different ideals and motivations. Even if you magically make every being in the universe an organic/synthetic hybrid, if these ideas and motivations are still the same, in the end you changed nothing. The only way to prevent conflict and ensure peace would be to alter the thought process during the hybridization and make people indistinguishable drones or more like the geth, but that would be just simply immoral and hardly a paragon choice.

Modifié par mrowi, 11 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[Reiella]

 I thought it was rather nice that none of the endings really fell easily [or were defined] into the paragon/renegade morality.  It does let you choose which ending you felt was appropiate instead of the "Always Paragon"/"Always Renegade" players feeling that they had to choose a specific ending because it was 'their' ending.

[NeoGuardian86]

 synthesis and control.


synthesis because = sacrefice yourself and the cycle is forever broken. at least according to the starchild it is.
control = sacrefice yourself, and it's the color blue, plus no one has to die. 

[Massadonious1]

I figured the shots of Anderson shooting one, and TIM grabbing the other was a little obvious.

And synthesis didn't make much sense to me, as the survivors would cease to be who they were. I appreciated EDI's and the Geth's help, but if they had to go so that the organic survivors could remain the same, albeit flawed creatures, then so be it.

Obviously not saying the endings weren't bad, just discussing the logic.

[KhadoranSeawolf]

None of the choices would be a Paragon choice as all three result in the destruction of the Mass Relay System and the fall of Galactic Civilizations. Effectively all three endings do what the Reapers accomplished with each cycle.

[shnellegaming]

I thought they completely switched the Paragon and Renegade themes. 

Controlling the Reapers, using the reaper tech, citadel, mass relays is a renegade theme.  Or at least it has been through all 3 games.

Destroying the reapers and not using the reaper tech, mass relays, citadel has been a paragon theme.  So its really confusing the endings to me.

The green one is just interesting.  I think it follows kinda both cause you are literally making a drastic decision for all life in the galaxy.  You are forcing them into this path instead of letting it take place naturally.  But its basically just a short cut since it is pointed out that most organics have synthetics in them.

[Colancio]

The red ending it is in my opinion the best choice, because in the previous games Shep only has one goal: destroy the reapers, not some crappy explanation of a ciber boy to make Shep softer and choose to control the space bugs to fly away or combine sinthetic and organic... (srsly wtf?).

Just my humble opinion

Modifié par Colancio, 11 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[Promchek]

shoot himself/herself in the head out of desperation.

[panamakira]

The one where the Reapers are destroyed, the Normandy is not stranded and maybe crashes on Earth, the Galaxy is in bad condition but at least most of it is left, Relays in really bad condition but not destroyed and maybe Shep lives.

Modifié par panamakira, 11 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[gmboy902]

 Considering they're all the same, does it matter?

[The Spamming Troll]

which is the choice that makes the mass relays turn bright pink??? id sayty that one.

or maybe the ending where the relays turn green, or yellow.

meh, who cares??????????

[Nefelius]

What prevents this new life form in synthesis from making AIs to ease life a bit? And then what prevents these AIs from turning on these robocops?

Plotholes everywhere i tell ya.

And anyway since the rest of the galaxy lies in riuns after relays explosion these robocops will die eventually too wihtout any power to sustain them.

Modifié par Nefelius, 11 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[Ruari]

Golferguy758 wrote...

He would have told the catalyst to shove it. People in the galaxy don't need someone dictating the terms of their lives. The fate of organics is their own. it's up to them to make of it what they can. To remove the possibility of a future removes what it is to be alive.

Sorry tangent. if anything it'd be destroy imo

THIS. Here was my line of logic when I first got to that scene.

Control: Uhh...didn't I just tell TIM that controlling them was impossible, you just get controlled?

Synthesis: Oh...so I can force people to have their DNA rewritten/get synthetic implants? And that will somehow make the reapers happy and they'll leave. Wait...isn't that just what husks are?

Destroy: Yeah that's what I'm here to do! Wait...why does it have to also kill the rest of synthetics? So because the reapers get killed it means ANYTHING having to do with their technology is as well? Why?

My Shep would have interuptted the dumb kid, told him to look at the Geth and EDI as how we can get along, and then woken up to reality and activated the super weapon to destroy the reapers.

[Agorme]

Dunno all the choices are a bit tainted ...
Seems like bioware hinted wich is the paragon and renegade choice by showing TIM and Anderson either controlling or destroying.
But even so , if the beams tell us something they swtiched the collors
The green one just made me think of the ending of the Matrix.(wich worked in that context cause Neo brokered a deal before melting with smith and sacrificing himself , but dont see how creating a new race of cyborgs solves anything in mass effect...)
Tbh the kid made me think of the architect ...

[Cyaxares]

Ruari wrote...

My Shep would have interuptted the dumb kid, told him to look at the Geth and EDI as how we can get along, and then woken up to reality and activated the super weapon to destroy the reapers.

I think that it would have been the worst, most bland, Hollywood style, ending possible, if Crusible would turn out to be super weapon to destroy the reapers. I actually expected this when I played, and was pleasantly surpised, when ending forced you to make difficult choice, and see everything that happened in all three games in different light.

It seems hovewer, that I am in a minority who think so,. I think that the ending where Shepard would use the superweapon  against the reapers, so they run if fear, while Shepard promise to annihilate them, no matter how far they run, whould be more popular.

[HKR148]

Shepard is unable to accept any of his proposition, he turns back goes down back to Earth, tells the rest of the galaxy that we've been manipulated all along, then reunites with the squad and makes the last stand. All of them dies one by one, and finally Shepard and LI falls; at least together. Fatalistic, but much better than the [s] we've got.

Modifié par HKR148, 11 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[Supersomething]

In my opinion he would go with Synthesis.  He sacrifices himself to better all races as a whole, gives the Reapers no reason to exist anymore, and does not destroy the Geth or Edi.  Control would still keep the Reapers as a threat, and Destroy will just reset everything and you run the risk of another species designing a brand new set of reapers. 

[shodiswe]

I would go for the destroy ending but it seems very wrong against the geth and the now departed Legion... Least if you play a paragon that works out a peace between the geth and quarians..

My Shepard seems to survive this option though... least initialy.. the question is, is there a way to get out of that destroyed spacestation? or did that pulse destroy all ships and shuttle tech so you get to starve to death or become a canibal? what about that giant space debris? will it crash on earth and end all life? it's pretty massive and the material of the outer shell is so tough it wont even start burning in the atmosphere.. Not to mention the pieces are too big to burn whatever they are made of.. Crash in the ocean and create a world ending Tunami. crash on land and create a dust cloud that darken the sun for decades?

Both the destroy and syntesis options blew up the citadel?

The control one was the only one that didn't kill the get and didnt harm anyone or force anyone except for the reapers. They took the citadel and left people to safely rebuild and recover as best they could. Still lots of people on worlds that can't sustain them though.

2 things bother me about the controll part, Shepard dies, how can he be sure the Reaper wont chagne and start killing people again? But it hurts the least amount of people and it doesn't force changes on them, organics and even syntetics can fid their own way into a future of their choosing. Maybe the illusive man was right, even if he was an indoctrinated crazy who did crazy and immoral things.

Also the synthesis option is too big for one person to make, maybe it's good, especialy if it wont affect people's individuality but noone has the right to make that choice. The reapers had no right to turn sapients into reapers to preserve them, then how can one justify Shepard turning people into something else? This is also forced evolution from the reapers and their guardian persona.

[shodiswe]

Also this makes it hard to continue with new stories in the ME unless you use the pre ME era or a distant future where people buld new massrelay from the knowledge recovered on ilos on how to construct massrelays.

If anyone has been able to preserve the data.

Also the diferent races should still be able to comunicate with the quantum communication tech they had since it didnt requier the relays operation. This would make it easier to rebuild the relays. maybe even build smaller relays if the big ones are too expensive. like the small one of Ilos.

While the ending wasn't satisfactory or make sense to me I would still want to see more games set in the ME universe. It was kind of sad that Shepard seemed too exhausted to actualy have an argument with the reaper guardian/catalyst. Even if those were his only options he should have been given the option to protest and tell the catalyst he's wrong. He did seem to give up. Or maybe it was the indoctrination that was wearing him down to the point where he just wanted closure. Like so many people said the ending did seem incomplete. After the illusive man shot himself the ending took a turn for the worse.

[slimshedim]

metawanderer wrote...

I just completed the game and got the synthesis ending.  I was wondering if that ending fell in line with what a Paragon Shepard would choose to do?  Any opinions?

The Disney-like happy ending, that bioware just denied us of.

[Triple4]

I think the most paragon of the 3 would be destroy, control sounds like renegade and the synthesis makes no damn sense, SPACE MAGIC!

[Taleroth]

sbarchak wrote...

It is very clear through the game that Crucible is the only hope to stop the reapers. If he doesnt choose, everybody die.

But what isn't made very clear through the game is that the Catalyst controls the Reapers. Without which, for the first time in history, the Reapers will be able to make decisions for themselves. And they can choose peace on their own.

And who is to say they wouldn't, should they finally be allowed? They are made up of countless conquered races. Trillions of minds that remember the horror the Reapers brought upon them. Given a moment to think for themselves again and stop what they once fought so bravely against and failed.