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[Sleeping_Dragon]

You all don't understand how useful shape changing is.

Its actually really good.

When a mage runs out of mana, then that is a good time to shape change.

Now your a beefy tank that can do good damage aswell.

In the meantime allowing your mana to regen.



Great when you want to conserve your mana potions.

[Wintermist]

maladictor2009 wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

maladictor2009 wrote...

where is my dragon shapeshift ???

In Neverwinter Nights.

where is my dragon shapeshift in Dragon Age

You should say; "I wish I could shapeshift into a dragon in Dragon Age" No doubt a mod will appear or already have appeared that will do it for ya.

[Kimberly Shaw]

When a mage runs out of mana, then that is a good time to shape change.

The problem is that a mage really never runs out of mana. I was spamming spells as fast as my cool downs would let me and I think I used less than 10 mana pots the whole game? It was even worse once I became a Blood Mage as blood sacrifice and heal made mana trivial.



Apart from that, the quartermaster in the Circle Tower sells unlimited lyrium dust and the merchant in your tent sells unlimited flasks. Both of these items are cheap and for a few gold you can make hundreds of potions, which is hundreds more than you need.

[maladictor2009]

Wintermist wrote...

maladictor2009 wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

maladictor2009 wrote...

where is my dragon shapeshift ???

In Neverwinter Nights.

where is my dragon shapeshift in Dragon Age

You should say; "I wish I could shapeshift into a dragon in Dragon Age" No doubt a mod will appear or already have appeared that will do it for ya.

Then I will hold you to that good sir off you go make my dragon mod.

[maladictor2009]

Sleeping_Dragon wrote...

You all don't understand how useful shape changing is.
Its actually really good.
When a mage runs out of mana, then that is a good time to shape change.
Now your a beefy tank that can do good damage aswell.
In the meantime allowing your mana to regen.

Great when you want to conserve your mana potions.

Apparently we didnt meet the same NPC's in the game. For me it feels more like a mexican standoff whoever gets the first round off wins.

[Wintermist]

maladictor2009 wrote...

Then I will hold you to that good sir off you go make my dragon mod.

Oh how I wish I knew how, I would add ALL animal forms in the game with all their abilities as wlel, useful or not, it would make fun to have the options to pick from! 

[Anarchosyn]

maladictor2009 wrote...

Then I will hold you to that good sir off you go make my dragon mod.

Done: http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=91

[MR-9]

Shapeshifting is excellent if you have plenty of strength, dex, and con... Oh wait, it's a mage.

Prettymuch just a gimped arcane warrior.

[JaegerBane]

MR-9 wrote...

Shapeshifting is excellent if you have plenty of strength, dex, and con... Oh wait, it's a mage.
Prettymuch just a gimped arcane warrior.

I think the real problem with Shapeshifting is that it doesn't really advance any side of being a mage. The other three massively ramp up a specific facet of the mage class (either Defence, Offence or Party Support) and as a result all have a big advantage they can call their own, not to mention a nice ability that allows the mage to expand in other areas (armour/weapons for AW, health casting for BM and party godmode for SH). Shapeshifting just seems to be an RP specialisation.

[Thozi]

LadyRae9 wrote...

I think that they included shapeshifter because people enjoy playing it so much.

Yes. I am one of those people. Except in this game the shapeshifting is seriously bugged/messed up. See the trailer where Morrigan kills alot of hurlocks and in-game she can't even solo a friking genlock. Some master shapeshifter she is <_<

[elfwad]

The Demonologist wrote...

I downloaded mods for it, they make it nice and strong. I reccomend Val's Shapeshifting or the Learned Shapeshifting Forms mods.

It's a nice class to mod, and eh on its own.

And where would one find these mods?  I've been searching for hours.

[Thozi]

elfwad wrote...

The Demonologist wrote...

I downloaded mods for it, they make it nice and strong. I reccomend Val's Shapeshifting or the Learned Shapeshifting Forms mods.

It's a nice class to mod, and eh on its own.

And where would one find these mods?  I've been searching for hours.

Edit: Someone already posted a direct link to one mod http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=91

Modifié par Darth_Pete, 26 novembre 2009 - 11:33 .

[Sylixe]

The problem is that you have to choose to put the caster into an animal form that doesn't come even remotely close to their potential with the spells they have not in a form.  If the forms were something really unique in game and added something overall to the party they would be worth it. 

[mpchi]

Yeah. Shapeshifting works out to be more of a handicap on the character than an added bonus in power or efficiency. Its interesting to try out once or twice, but would regret later on when you have to stick with this ability, when you could have something much better for the entire 50-60 hour playthrough. Unless, if it really has a powerful ultimate form of a dragon with good crowd control fire breath of some sort, then it may be worthwhile.

[Naminator236]

Anarchosyn wrote...

maladictor2009 wrote...

Then I will hold you to that good sir off you go make my dragon mod.

Done: http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=91

Now THAT is what I call a specialization!

Seriously! Holy crap! Why couldn't all specializations add at least HALF of that. That would be cool.

Screen shot link for the skills http://www.dragonage...-1259086313.jpg

[MR-9]

Very nice! That's an impressive mod.

[Gecon]

Shapeshifting is difficult to balance.

I guess to make it really work, you have to do a pure shapeshifting class that really does nothing else but shapeshifting. Then theres no need to balance shapeshifting vs spellcasting. For if you get spellcasting too strong, then nobody ever shapeshifts. But if you get shapeshifting too strong, then nobody ever spellcasts.

A good example was Cernd in BG. Totally useless most of the time, but when he got his greater Werewolf he was, for a short while, the best possible tank. Then the others leveled up and he lost his advantage again and was again completely useless.

I think the best solution is really in D&D3 where you can get spellcasting while shifted, as a feat. Which then turned into the perfect total musthave of Druids ever since. Still I never shapeshifted in D&D3, because it was still useless.

At very least in DA:O shapeshifting gets better with your Magic score, thats really an improvement.

[Selvec_Darkon]

I've heard that if you go the entire shapeshifting tree, the swarm and bear ones become quite useful. Swarm because you rarely get hit, making you a nice temporary tank.

[Kimberly Shaw]

I don't know, I would just have made shapeshifting situationally better than spell casting, but not as versatile. I guess it would be hard to have make sense, but shapeshifting should either out damage, or out crowd control, or out heal, or what have you any single spell in order to make it worth it to shift. So if you needed crowd control, shapeshift into swarm and you can AOE lock down enemies with a small DOT component and no resist chance (doesn't work on bosses); but your caster is stuck in this form? Maybe too powerful, but so is casting sleep on 5 archers, then a group heal, then immediately crushing prison an elite all in 3 seconds...

[Gecon]

Anarchosyn wrote...
Done: http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=91

Whow that looks great !

But one could make it a link: http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=91

[MR-9]

When a shapeshifter runs out of mana they can:

a.) Turn into a spider with two abilities.

b.) Turn into a bear with two abilities.

c.) Turn into a swarm with one ability.

d.) Drink a lyrium potion and chose another spell from a massive arsenal.



Hmmm.... You guys are going to be hard pressed to convince me it's not a waste.

[F-C]

another way they could have went with it since it requires melee statistics is to not have cooldowns on the form uses, that way they could have shifted between the forms and used the various abilities for what was needed at the time. with the 60-90 second cooldowns on forms and requiring melee stats its just pretty much not worth the investment.



if you are on a pc i think its worth installing the respec mod just to fix morrigan and get the talent point back.

[MR-9]

I love the respec mod. I shudder to think of playing everyone in your party the same way every time you play through the game because you have no real control over their direction. I installed the instant shapeshifting mod too, the only change it makes to my game is that I can use her swarm to move her around the battlefield very very quickly. Hardly worth three of my skill points through.

[MerinTB]

Useless?



I have a blast changing shape and attacking things as the different forms!



Wait, are you telling me that with mana potions and spell combos you can do way more damage than shape shifting? Really?



Oh, right, this is a story-based role-playing game and I'm not a min-max munchkin. Almost forgot -



I don't care!



Shapeshifting is fun, and it is effective. Is it AS effective as other strategies? Probably not - but I'm having fun with it and that's all that matters to me.



If only using the most effective strategies is fun for you - as in you can't bring yourself to play a 2 dagger rogue because a 2 longsword rogue will be dealing more damage - then you are a different kind of gamer than me, and for you shapeshifting is indeed "useless" compared to being an AW/SH or AW/BM mage. Keep on trucking with the ultimate builds only if that's your cup of tea.



However, if you like challenges, if you like trying different things, and if you like having a character who changes into creatures to attack - then shapeshifting may well be fun for you as well!

[MR-9]

There are more effective ways to increase the difficulty and challenge of the game than intentionally gimping your characters.



The difficulty setting, for example.