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[lookingglassmind]

Feops1 wrote...

IT WAS ALL A DREAM - has to be one of the poorest, laziest excuses for a retcon tool that exists.

Not if you toss indoctrination into the mix.

[Flapperrr]

http://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan
Community Manager at BioWare

Maybe at the end of March when more people have had a chance to play?
I'm not discussing story/plot specifics now so my channel remains spoiler free until more people have had a chance to play

[Turtlicious]

Squeaky ‏ @TheSqueaky

@JessicaMerizan Question: With all the negative feedback about the ME3 ending is Bioware going to acknowledged it, or just leave it be?


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@TheSqueaky we are listening and remaining spoiler free for now as many have not played yet.
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11:50 AM - 11 Mar 12 via Twitter for iPho

[MissMaster_2]

Malachi_33 wrote...

just one thought - I like the hallucination theory very much, but do you think, EA/Bioware plays this kind of game with the gamer magazines around the world? gave them the same copy, we played with - the same "not so complete game" just to get rewievs based on that? anyway, maybe they thougt no one would bash the ME saga, and it seems they were right.

If they were smart thet would. It would be a fantastic stunt to pull.

[mupp3tz]

Malachi_33 wrote...

just one thought - I like the hallucination theory very much, but do you think, EA/Bioware plays this kind of game with the gamer magazines around the world? gave them the same copy, we played with - the same "not so complete game" just to get rewievs based on that? anyway, maybe they thougt no one would bash the ME saga, and it seems they were right.

it also has to do with the fact that a reviewer's job is to look at the product as a complete package.  A lot believe that ME3 was 10/10 until the last 15 minutes of the game--- which, unfortunately, also happens to be most important part of the game.

I think that the mainstream reviewers were unable to foresee the extreme reaction the fans would take as a result of it.  Though a reviewer may have been unhappy with the ending as well, the game, as a whole, was a masterpiece and I don't think I could fathom a rating lower than 7, including the ending.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 11 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[lavosslayer]

Flapperrr wrote...

http://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan
Community Manager at BioWare

Maybe at the end of March when more people have had a chance to play?
I'm not discussing story/plot specifics now so my channel remains spoiler free until more people have had a chance to play

sounds good...gonna suck waiting out that long but we're gonna have to find a way to cope with it until then

[BlackDragonBane]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

What is this "time capsule" we are talking about?

before you attack the Cerebrus base (I think) Liara will come to Shepard's personal quarters with a box like device and tell you she's put all of her collective knowledge on the Protheans on the blueprints of the Crucible within it. She was creating these databanks to spread across the galaxy in case the fail against the Reapers so the next civilization trapped in the cycle would find them and be properly warned.

She also asks Shepard how his/her story should be remembered in the databank.

[MissMaster_2]

The fact the BSN is in flames right now, and they are not saying anything to put out the fire makes me think...the could post in the spoiler forum and tell us that the h*** is going on but they are holding out.

[Never]

Bigdoser wrote...

Don't forget one of the definitions of crucible means severe test or trial.

Good catch! I hadn't thought of that. I thought the ended seemed... off, the first time I played through it. But after I finished and visited the forums, I was afraid it was the real ending. But the more days that pass, I can't stop thinking that it was a dream/hallucination. Or perhaps it's just for the hope. I prefer it to being heartbroken

[MissMaster_2]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

What is this "time capsule" we are talking about?

before you attack the Cerebrus base (I think) Liara will come to Shepard's personal quarters with a box like device and tell you she's put all of her collective knowledge on the Protheans on the blueprints of the Crucible within it. She was creating these databanks to spread across the galaxy in case the fail against the Reapers so the next civilization trapped in the cycle would find them and be properly warned.

She also asks Shepard how his/her story should be remembered in the databank.

Ohhhhh yeah I for got about that.

[Dessalines]

I cannot see why they would go from the group has been devasted, but not mention I got two people moving to the beam down there. There is no more firing after you get hit with the beam. Why is there no more firing? Anderson is not injured at all. It doesn't look like a Collector base. Collector base had humans in tubes, I just think we are missing the smoking gun that proves or disproves this theory.

[lookingglassmind]

Watching the YouTube video -- someone posted this in the comments:

I have very carefully read all the smart ideas on the forum, but i am temped to disagree with this statement

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

This is a basis of your theory, but.. in the game you go to the 'Dock' level, turn right and you will see "Missing persons" poster with that child picture on it.

TheMbovane

Can anyone confirm/disconfirm this? Also, not sure it really matters. The kid probably died in the assault, but the child that Shepard sees in the duct (and every time henceforth) is the Catalyst.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

TheGoddess0fWar wrote...

Nathos wrote...

WHY THIS WAS CUT FROM THE GAME???????

The tears. They wont stop. ;___;

Whoever posted this broke my man heart. I'm now going to do bad things with swords. So remember, when  I post this YOU made me do bad things with swords. 

[Invisibilly]

 The longer bioware goes on without an official statement the worse this gets for them. There is a universal hatred for these endings. Waiting for other regions to get the game before they respond is just foolish. If no one else liked the endings im pretty sure they wont either.

Modifié par Gam3Ov3r, 11 mars 2012 - 09:26 .

[BlackDragonBane]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Watching the YouTube video -- someone posted this in the comments:

I have very carefully read all the smart ideas on the forum, but i am temped to disagree with this statement

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

This is a basis of your theory, but.. in the game you go to the 'Dock' level, turn right and you will see "Missing persons" poster with that child picture on it.

TheMbovane

Can anyone confirm/disconfirm this? Also, not sure it really matters. The kid probably died in the assault, but the child that Shepard sees in the duct (and every time henceforth) is the Catalyst.

If the kid in the duct is the Catalyst, then that as a very heart breaking piece of foreshadowing because it came true.. my only problem is why chose the form a child who has no real connection to Shepard aside from the brief scene where Shepard sees the child playing from their window?

[LegendaryBlade]

Yes

/thread

[Sl4sh3r]

For anyone interested, I made a thread with all the signature pictures so they're easier to find.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9786308

Show your support! #RetakeMassEffect

[Malachi_33]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Malachi_33 wrote...

just one thought - I like the hallucination theory very much, but do you think, EA/Bioware plays this kind of game with the gamer magazines around the world? gave them the same copy, we played with - the same "not so complete game" just to get rewievs based on that? anyway, maybe they thougt no one would bash the ME saga, and it seems they were right.

it also has to do with the fact that a reviewer's job is to look at the product as a complete package.  A lot believe that ME3 was 10/10 until the last 15 minutes of the game--- which, unfortunately, also happens to be most important part of the game.

I think that the mainstream reviewers were unable to foresee the extreme reaction the fans would take as a result of it.  Though a reviewer may have been unhappy with the ending as well, the game, as a whole, was a masterpiece and I don't think I could fathom a rating lower than 7, including the ending.

you are right, I'm perfectly happy with the EDGE's 8 out of 10. after more than 100 hours gameplay, I simply can't say anything wrong to Bioware. too bad they sketched the big finale. but we'll see, we'll see... 

[MissMaster_2]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Watching the YouTube video -- someone posted this in the comments:

I have very carefully read all the smart ideas on the forum, but i am temped to disagree with this statement

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

This is a basis of your theory, but.. in the game you go to the 'Dock' level, turn right and you will see "Missing persons" poster with that child picture on it.

TheMbovane

Can anyone confirm/disconfirm this? Also, not sure it really matters. The kid probably died in the assault, but the child that Shepard sees in the duct (and every time henceforth) is the Catalyst.

Well now, let say he was real. You coulkd go either way with it because why would the Catalyst really look like that child unless the Reapers are using his form to make Shepard trust them..


EDIT: That poster could just be another part of the indoctraction. .

But we arfe getting in to a gray area with that though.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 11 mars 2012 - 09:30 .

[Invisibilly]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

For anyone interested, I made a thread with all the signature pictures so they're easier to find.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9786308

Show your support! #RetakeMassEffect

How do i go about putting one on?

[tuzem2]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Watching the YouTube video -- someone posted this in the comments:

I have very carefully read all the smart ideas on the forum, but i am temped to disagree with this statement

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

This is a basis of your theory, but.. in the game you go to the 'Dock' level, turn right and you will see "Missing persons" poster with that child picture on it.

TheMbovane

Can anyone confirm/disconfirm this? Also, not sure it really matters. The kid probably died in the assault, but the child that Shepard sees in the duct (and every time henceforth) is the Catalyst.

If the kid in the duct is the Catalyst, then that as a very heart breaking piece of foreshadowing because it came true.. my only problem is why chose the form a child who has no real connection to Shepard aside from the brief scene where Shepard sees the child playing from their window?

The Collector's Edition Sketchbook says the following about the child:
One child would be the face of the people on Earth whom Shepard could not save.

[lookingglassmind]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Watching the YouTube video -- someone posted this in the comments:

I have very carefully read all the smart ideas on the forum, but i am temped to disagree with this statement

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

This is a basis of your theory, but.. in the game you go to the 'Dock' level, turn right and you will see "Missing persons" poster with that child picture on it.

TheMbovane

Can anyone confirm/disconfirm this? Also, not sure it really matters. The kid probably died in the assault, but the child that Shepard sees in the duct (and every time henceforth) is the Catalyst.

If the kid in the duct is the Catalyst, then that as a very heart breaking piece of foreshadowing because it came true.. my only problem is why chose the form a child who has no real connection to Shepard aside from the brief scene where Shepard sees the child playing from their window?

This has been explained by the community in this thread. I will attempt to sum it up.

We propose that this child was chosen because of its universal applicability as an archetype for hope and survival of mankind. To most people, a child would be an obvious symbol of these meanings. The catalyst chooses this as a direct manipulation attempt -- appealing at Shepard's basic, most primal emotions about his species. Invoking an image that represents hope, and that must be protected at all costs -- a small human child.

[mupp3tz]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Watching the YouTube video -- someone posted this in the comments:

I have very carefully read all the smart ideas on the forum, but i am temped to disagree with this statement

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

This is a basis of your theory, but.. in the game you go to the 'Dock' level, turn right and you will see "Missing persons" poster with that child picture on it.

TheMbovane

Can anyone confirm/disconfirm this? Also, not sure it really matters. The kid probably died in the assault, but the child that Shepard sees in the duct (and every time henceforth) is the Catalyst.

i'm not a fan of this theory, since it suggests that Shepard has been indoctrinated either before the start of ME3 or throughout the entire game -- but HOW?  You can say that there is a secret indoctrination device on the Normandy, his implants, etc. etc.  But I personally don't find that compelling.

My take is that the child actually existed at the beginning.  It's a narrarative device the developers have decided to take to illustrate what Shepard is fighting for.  The child = innocence and humanity.  The last thing he says to Shepard is "You can't help me.." which is something that haunts Shepard throughout the game as the "end" gets nearer.

The reason that you see the child at the end as a Godchild is due to the Reaper's attempts to violate this image of everything that you're fighting for and present it as a distorted version.  It's poetically apt to have the very essence of what Shepard is fighting for be the one to confront him and present his final choices.

[CreepingGeth]

Feops1 wrote...

IT WAS ALL A DREAM - has to be one of the poorest, laziest excuses for a retcon tool that exists.

It wouldn't really be a dream - it would be a battle with Harbinger inside your head as he tries to indoctrinate you.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

Gam3Ov3r wrote...

 The longer bioware goes on without an official statement the worse this gets for them. There is a universal hatred for these endings. Waiting for other regions to get the game before they respond is just foolish. If no one else liked the endings im pretty sure they wont either.

Isn't the only region waiting for release Japan (or is it all of Asia)? Do they honestly think that the Japanese culture is so different they'll love these endings while everyone else is against them?