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[Earthborn_Shepard]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

schneeland wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...
WhaT I also mean is, that for all we know the DLC might be only about filling plotholes, and not making the IT fit.

For instance the deleted Scene of Liara and Garrus dying... maybe they will bring that back, so it will make sense that Joker will not need to go on earth and pick thme up because they are already dead.

While it is true that this may happen, I doubt it - for many reasons given on the past 1000 pages. But basically what turned me to IT in the first place was that the end is so off everything before, that I hardly believe it was without purpose.

On a side note: this is funny when you factor in that I am German and I am thus expected to be more pessimistic

I was also going to strongly beleive in the IT  at one point, but when I saw the massive level of rushed up content, about incredibly low textures and poorly designed geometry, as well as giant holes with "mirror of death" effects up in the catalyst area, I started believe that unfortunately they were simply tushed up, that is why they were full of plotholes and inconsistencies. Why would the rest of the game not present the same horrific visual bugs ottherwise?

What really killed me was that some textures, like warning signs, can be found on walls UPSIDE DOWN for no apparent reason.

[RoyalGambit]

[quote]schneeland wrote...

[quote]MadRabbit999 wrote...
WhaT I also mean is, that for all we know the DLC might be only about filling plotholes, and not making the IT fit.

For instance the deleted Scene of Liara and Garrus dying... maybe they will bring that back, so it will make sense that Joker will not need to go on earth and pick thme up because they are already dead.
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They step out of the normandy on the the unknown planet though. 

Modifié par RoyalGambit, 29 mars 2012 - 10:23 .

[venusflytrap1]

this is a little off topic and im not sure if its already been asked but did anyone else feel like they were watching a scene from star wars when you went back to earth?

[Gernbuster]

I am waiting for the Onmilasersword DLC XD

[Gernbuster]

Harbinger: "I am your father"
Shep: " NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
Harbinger: "Join me, and together we can defeat the Godchild and harvest the galaxie for our own"(evil laughing)

[Stigweird85]

Sparviero Ged wrote...

This theory is simple ridiculous.
Some parts are fascinating, but there are giga plotes hole in it.

If the last part is all in the mind of Shepard, why the reapers don't kill him while is unconscius ?

They want to USE him. Shep is essentially the leader of the galaxy at this stage. Alive he/she is a threat. Dead then your allies could still be a threat. However If Shep is turned to do the reapers bidding the war is over.

[NikolaiShade]

I don't want to sound rude or unrespectfull in any way, but, to be honest, beyond all the things gathered in theese pages, three things always bothered me, so it could be IT or something else but still theese three things remain:

1 - the kid: why BioWare leads us to think the kid was not real? Just some useless trolling?

2 - Shepard breathing - ok, Shepard came back from the dead once but that was a little different, now he survives the explosion of the Citadel, and if that was concrete, he reenters atmosphere alive. Bad writing? Ok, then why can we get this cutscene only if we choose destruction at 4000/5000 EMS?

3 - BioWare's hints at something big: Priority: Omega? Closure and clarification after the outrage? Maybe. Problem is they started saying there was something big on the way even before all the debacle about the endings.

So, could it be IDT or something else? We don't know, still I think there is something big coming, if that something big is an Omega or MP DLC, then that's another problem, but better wait first then talk.

Modifié par NikolaiShade, 29 mars 2012 - 10:45 .

[MadRabbit999]

[quote]RoyalGambit wrote...

[quote]schneeland wrote...

[quote]MadRabbit999 wrote...
WhaT I also mean is, that for all we know the DLC might be only about filling plotholes, and not making the IT fit.

For instance the deleted Scene of Liara and Garrus dying... maybe they will bring that back, so it will make sense that Joker will not need to go on earth and pick thme up because they are already dead.
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They step out of the normandy on the the unknown planet though. 

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It has already been confirmed there is a bug that shows dead squadmates at the ending as well... so it is strongly possible that the last scene it is riddled with all kind of bugs

[MadRabbit999]

venusflytrap1 wrote...

this is a little off topic and im not sure if its already been asked but did anyone else feel like they were watching a scene from star wars when you went back to earth?

Nope... despite everything about this game,  Star Wars space combat scenes very rarely go anywhere near to the epicness of the ME ones...

[Rifneno]

variobunz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Good thing the Protheans had such awesome indoctrination scanning techniques. It'd have sucked for them if they were taken down by a group of indoctrinated agents on the inside.

Wow.
It's like the 100th time that argument against IDT came up.

Seriously, people?

I know, right? I realize nobody's going to read 1000 pages, but they can at least read a few. This same thing comes up seemingly every few pages. And most of the time, the person thinks they found some grand trump card that utterly destroys IT.

3Minotaur3 wrote...

I assume they build the Prothean VI after they fail their Crucible project because some of them where indoctrinated.

Yeah, I could assume lots of things to support my belief too. I try to stick to things that are at least implied though.

SCJ90 wrote...

Hmm that is actually a very good point, but maybe the VI was only used in most top secret projects like the conduit and the beacons and since the harvesting went on for decades and tech inproves so

See above.

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I guess you could argue that if the Catalyst is powerful enough to make space magic happen, he could probably read Shep's mind and take the shape of something innocent and non-threatening in order to appeal to him.

Space magic doesn't begin to cover what that little brat supposedly can do. The synthesis ending is seriously rewriting reality. The only way it could make sense, literally the only way, is if he was God himself. What he did isn't a matter of technology. He changed the way life works on the most basic levels for all present and future life forms. That's so far over the top it's not even funny.

Mechler wrote...

Sorry boys. You made a wonderful job piacing it together, but the theories big failure is a fact.

Cool story bro.

bigstig wrote...

It's the double standard that gets me, for example at the start of ME3 if Kaiden lives you visit him and hospital and see full man nipples in high definiation. Visit Ashley and she is wearing what looks like a standard issue miltary t-shirt. I wasn't expecting topless(underwear perhaps) just seems a little bit of a double standard to me.

Bioware seems to have toned down the whole "sex" aspect of games ever since Fox propaganda went on a crusade against them. Personally it was their tirade against it that made me go out and buy it in the first place.

It's a pathetic point I know. I have a problem but the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

Ironic since other games tend to be getting more explicit in that regard. In Witcher 2 you actually got an eyefull of bush on a few occasions. And it only got an M rating too.
Most nonsensical romance scene in ME3 was definitely femShep & Traynor. Who showers with a bra and panties on?! FFS, if you don't want to show those parts, just keep the camera off them.

MadRabbit999 wrote...

WhaT I also mean is, that for all we know the DLC might be only about filling plotholes, and not making the IT fit.

For instance the deleted Scene of Liara and Garrus dying... maybe they will bring that back, so it will make sense that Joker will not need to go on earth and pick thme up because they are already dead.

Woah. Legion, can you think of a worse idea than bringing back the Liara/Garrus unavoidable death scene?
Legion: ... No data available.

[MadRabbit999]

NikolaiShade wrote...


2 - Shepard breathing - ok, Shepard came back from the dead once but that was a little different, now he survives the explosion of the Citadel, and if that was concrete, he reenters atmosphere alive. Bad writing? Ok, then why can we get this cutscene only if we choose destruction at 4000/5000 EMS?

There is no way in hell he would be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard or Jesus would survive that.

Realistically speaking the space vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)

Rifneno wrote...

Woah. Legion, can you think of a worse idea than bringing back the Liara/Garrus unavoidable death scene?
Legion: ... No data available.

I thought Mordin death was one of my most personal devastating things I saw in ME3 (Seriously, I stopped playing for a day after that because of how  depressed I was).. yet nobody is takign that away... I have to DEAL with it...

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Red Starblazer]

Wow! We made it over 1,000 pages! Good job, brothers and sisters! =D

P.S. I'm back btw. lol What did I miss? And news? Also any more thread treads that could be made into T-shirts? (a few will know what I'm talking about lol)

[NikolaiShade]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...


2 - Shepard breathing - ok, Shepard came back from the dead once but that was a little different, now he survives the explosion of the Citadel, and if that was concrete, he reenters atmosphere alive. Bad writing? Ok, then why can we get this cutscene only if we choose destruction at 4000/5000 EMS?

There is no way in hell he would be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard or Jesus would survive that.

Realistically speaking the space vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)

Exactly my point, even if we dismiss IDT entirely, this scene alone goes beyond the bad writing argument, it's a clear example of a cliffhanger so, unless BioWare makes a fourth game about Shepard, the only way they can explain it is with a "real" ending...or with SPACE MAGIC! But then why they didn't include this scene in all endings?

[Rifneno]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

I thought Mordin death was one of my most personal devastating things I saw in ME3 (Seriously, I stopped playing for a day after that because hos depressed I was).. yet nobody is takign that away... I have to DEAL with it...

Mordin's death (and Thane's) was different.  He died making a difference and the galaxy is forever changed for the better because of his sacrifice.  If Garrus and Liara get char-broiled by Harbinger's laser on Earth, it makes no difference to the world (er, galaxy).  Nothing changes compared to if they had lived.  If Mordin walked away from that elevatory, the genophage would have gone uncured.  I'm not ashamed to say I shed some tears at Mordin's death... but it had a purpose.  The proposed deaths of Garrus and Liara don't.

[Martukis]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

NikolaiShade wrote...


2 - Shepard breathing - ok, Shepard came back from the dead once but that was a little different, now he survives the explosion of the Citadel, and if that was concrete, he reenters atmosphere alive. Bad writing? Ok, then why can we get this cutscene only if we choose destruction at 4000/5000 EMS?

There is no way in hell he would be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard or Jesus would survive that.

Realistically speaking the space vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)

Rifneno wrote...

Woah. Legion, can you think of a worse idea than bringing back the Liara/Garrus unavoidable death scene?
Legion: ... No data available.

I thought Mordin death was one of my most personal devastating things I saw in ME3 (Seriously, I stopped playing for a day after that because of how  depressed I was).. yet nobody is takign that away... I have to DEAL with it...

 I agree about Mordin's scene, though with a series of certain choices throughout the three games, you can save him.
 Of interest to me, upon looking back at the previous two games, are the coincidence of Sovereign and Legion both saying something along the line "we are legion," and the first Cerberus codex entry in ME2 talking about the suspicion of leadership change in recent years, as shown by a resource/weapon/recruitment buildup.

[MadRabbit999]

Rifneno wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

I thought Mordin death was one of my most personal devastating things I saw in ME3 (Seriously, I stopped playing for a day after that because hos depressed I was).. yet nobody is takign that away... I have to DEAL with it...

Mordin's death (and Thane's) was different.  He died making a difference and the galaxy is forever changed for the better because of his sacrifice.  If Garrus and Liara get char-broiled by Harbinger's laser on Earth, it makes no difference to the world (er, galaxy).  Nothing changes compared to if they had lived.  If Mordin walked away from that elevatory, the genophage would have gone uncured.  I'm not ashamed to say I shed some tears at Mordin's death... but it had a purpose.  The proposed deaths of Garrus and Liara don't.

Death does not have to be always justified, sometimes people die, and the fact tat your squadmates dies because YOU chose to bring thme with you on your final mission, would make you feel full of guilt for doing so (I assume lots of peopel would have broguht their love interest with them), this alone, is a powerful motive to kill the person most important to your character, giving you that "It's all my fault. now I have nothing left" feeling.

When so many people you cared for started dying in a game, you get that moment that makes you change your mind on your final decision, which previously was very clear to you  (I cannot give you any good exmaples at the top of my head).

[Stigweird85]

Mike Aus wrote...

The kid is not real. It even says in the art book that he represents humanity. He's a metaphor and in Shepard's head.

There are many references in-game and in the books regarding 'ghostly visions'... he is one of them.

I have brought that up so many times, I also think that it is telling that they opted to dress him in something that looked futuristic but not something that would seem out of place today - especially when you consider the only other civillian clothes seem to bright orange vests(possible Back to the Future reference?)

My theory is that they wanted him to look like normal by our standards so that we could identify with him. If we can visualise, our brother, cousin, friends, neighbour etc as this boy we build a deeper connection to him. Think about how much fashion has changed in the last 20years and remember that mass effect is set around 200years in the future.

[venusflytrap1]

i was meaning the little fighters for both sides kinda reminded me of the tie fighters and the rebel fighter scenes not as epic as ME ones but still reminded me of it...If they could somehow make a movie out of the ME series that would be epic on a whole new level. Only there wouldnt be that charm of you being able to choose what happens...maybe have like two seprerate movies for each one for full paragon and one full renegade...lol just some of the thoughts that ive been having recently there a bit off topic but ehhh... but anyways continue to hold the line

[Stigweird85]

Sparviero Ged wrote...

savagejuicebox wrote...

Sparviero Ged wrote...

Sire Styx wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

As I posted a little while ago, none of you get the so called EMS problem, where you only get destroy for low EMS. Without making my post really long like before, the EMS is like the switched colours of Destroy and Control, it's another mind game. Naturally people will equate low EMS to the worst option, and high EMS to the best. It plays into Star Child's hand again, trying to make you avoid destroy and choose Synthesis.

It's a little bit meta or something (i.e. Shepard would have no knowledge of it but the player would), but it is plausible. It links in with all the conditioning/psycology stuff happening aswell.

The 99% of time they meet shepard they loose! ( by the way....miranda say "if we loose shepard..." not if we use )
Machines don't run risk. 

If sovering was arrogant it didn't use so many precautions to attack citadel.

Reapers are Machine...they have all the time of the universe to do their job. They don't need Shepard.

Howewer the world is beautiful thanks the difference between all the things.

I only hope bioware doesn't ruin the final following such crazy ideas.

Ah...and sorry for my english, but i think you don't know my language.

Good Night!

Throughout all the games the writers went through great links to make sure the player understood; that understanding the Reapers is impossible.

and yet... you claim to understand how they think... we are all dumber for reading what you had to say...

you get this---> click

This is realy the last post...have to sleep! XD

I don't understand the reapers! I can't understand them! How could they think i prefer to loose my freedom in change of stability?  I never acept this! I

Or more specific...I understand the writer ( he is a human )...and understand the story ( it's a classic story...like matrix )...i understand the reapers are machine ( with something organic ) and so i can imagine that math tell "better 100%" than run risk.

You lose the argument when you say it's a classic story..like the matrix. Lord of the Rings is a classic story. The Matrix can be boiled down to the new testament.

[Stigweird85]

steve3194 wrote...

We will probably have to replay the final mission either way. Strange that there isn't a post ending autosave. Not for me at least

In case this hasn't been answereD(running about 10pages behind)

Some people have said there is a save before your choices, it is just not available via the main menu.

[bo_7md]

Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.

Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.

[Martukis]

bigstig wrote...

steve3194 wrote...

We will probably have to replay the final mission either way. Strange that there isn't a post ending autosave. Not for me at least

In case this hasn't been answereD(running about 10pages behind)

Some people have said there is a save before your choices, it is just not available via the main menu.

 This is indeed the case - you can check you documents/bioware/Mass Effect 3/saves folder for confirmation. That, or check it with Gib's save editor.
 re: bo_7md what?

Modifié par Martukis, 29 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[Stigweird85]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Wall of text removed

Some good ideas there, not too far from what I have suggested or what @greywardencommander has suggested either.

Great minds and all that(I'm not going to finish the quote)

[MadRabbit999]

bo_7md wrote...

Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.

Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.

MadRabbit999 wrote...


There is no way in hell he would
be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth
atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he
died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now
he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard
or Jesus would survive that.

Realistically speaking the space
vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere
would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would
ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the
distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)

They both make no sense.. but at least with the IT one...it's  slightly less space magic than the first one

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 29 mars 2012 - 11:16 .

[bo_7md]

Martukis wrote...

bigstig wrote...

steve3194 wrote...

We will probably have to replay the final mission either way. Strange that there isn't a post ending autosave. Not for me at least

In case this hasn't been answereD(running about 10pages behind)

Some people have said there is a save before your choices, it is just not available via the main menu.

 This is indeed the case - you can check you documents/bioware/Mass Effect 3/saves folder for confirmation. That, or check it with Gib's save editor.

It's the Autosave, go to your save folder, as above poster mentioned, take a copy of your autosave BEFORE you chose. Then after you see the ending go back to where you stored that autosave and replace the one in the Bioware folder.

Bioware folder---->copy Autosave--->paste the Autosave in a folder somewhere or rename it-----> pick a choice--->watch ending-----> go back and put the autosave back---> load it and pick another color.