Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.
Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.
That entire scene is occuring in Shepard's mind, so he's not actually jumping into the beam. Instead, he's embracing indoctrination. Shepard's body would still exist, but he would now be a Reaper agent. In destroy, he denies indoctrination allowing him to wake up.
Hopefully by april 6 we will know if our collective EMS was high enough, or wether their upcoming addition to the ending was planned all along and all our hard work gathering the resistance had no real impact on the actual outcome... hmm
One thing that bothers me.. if the whole Citadel sequence is a hallucination, why didn't Shepard conjure up images of Saren at that point? The dialogue with TIM is certainly similar but many of have pointed out that the Synthesis option was what Saren represented. I would have loved to hear what HE had to say at that point, though maybe it would have been an obvious red flag to bring in a character that we know is dead.
That would make it too obvious as a dream.
Saren the Turian is dead, Saren the reaper dissolved.
I suppose the Reapers rebuild him as Cerberus did with Shep, but they had sheps remains. There is nothing left of Saren unless they clone him.
if Bioware included him, you would get some people going "I knew this wasn't real" while others would probably go "WTF crappy writing"
Heres something I havent seen anyone else mentioning. While i was playing through my second playthrough I went to the engineering bay and when i was down there I could here footsteps, Ilooked all around and no one was walking about. Also near the end of the game i heard the same footsteps in shephards room they might not mean anything but i thought it was worth mentioning
I don't know if this has anything to do with IT, but I find it very strange that Cerberus tries to take over the Citadel halfway through the game. And we never get to find out why. Seems like a large enough plot hole that it would be pretty strange if it wasn't deliberate.
That is a good point, it isn't until after Thessia they discover the citadel is key, although I believe that it was just written off as Udina wanted to seize power to launch a campaign on Earth immediatly rather than anything else
Heres something I havent seen anyone else mentioning. While i was playing through my second playthrough I went to the engineering bay and when i was down there I could here footsteps, Ilooked all around and no one was walking about. Also near the end of the game i heard the same footsteps in shephards room they might not mean anything but i thought it was worth mentioning
Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.
Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.
MadRabbit999 wrote...
There is no way in hell he would be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard or Jesus would survive that.
Realistically speaking the space vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)
They both make no sense.. but at least with the IT one...it's slightly less space magic than the first one
OMG.... you are totaly right shepard wouldn't be able to with stand say the normandy exploding with him still inside and get out of it without a scratch.... like in this video here:
source www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XPDrrx9C0
On a serious note that explosion we saw in the Citadel, The conduit one, is too small to kill him it lasted no more than 3 seconds go back and see for yourself. The second explosion if it was as big as it seems the citadel would have dismantled from the centre not just the arms.
The current ending has plot holes, yes. The doesn't mean ill take an explanation with more problems in it, at least with the current ending you can put some reason behind them.
Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.
Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.
MadRabbit999 wrote...
There is no way in hell he would be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard or Jesus would survive that.
Realistically speaking the space vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)
They both make no sense.. but at least with the IT one...it's slightly less space magic than the first one
OMG.... you are totaly right shepard wouldn't be able to with stand say the normandy exploding with him still inside and get out of it without a scratch.... like in this video here:
source www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XPDrrx9C0
On a serious note that explosion we saw in the Citadel, The conduit one, is too small to kill him it lasted no more than 3 seconds go back and see for yourself. The second explosion if it was as big as it seems the citadel would have dismantled from the centre not just the arms.
The current ending has plot holes, yes. The doesn't mean ill take an explanation with more problems in it, at least with the current ending you can put some reason behind them.
In fact they (Cerberus) stated that the only thing that made possible Shepard's resurrection was his/her helmet, the rest of the body was... *coughs*... /%$%$!"·@ So, it's not possible to survive that way again.
Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.
Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.
That entire scene is occuring in Shepard's mind, so he's not actually jumping into the beam. Instead, he's embracing indoctrination. Shepard's body would still exist, but he would now be a Reaper agent. In destroy, he denies indoctrination allowing him to wake up.
yes, but he is still alive. You get that right ? Indoctrinated/Reaper agent/I.R.S man doesn't matter, he still is alive so the breath scene should be in all of them.
Heres something I havent seen anyone else mentioning. While i was playing through my second playthrough I went to the engineering bay and when i was down there I could here footsteps, Ilooked all around and no one was walking about. Also near the end of the game i heard the same footsteps in shephards room they might not mean anything but i thought it was worth mentioning
Off topic... but I had to do link this:
I almost **** my pants first time I watched that, followed by a laughing fit.
Heres something I havent seen anyone else mentioning. While i was playing through my second playthrough I went to the engineering bay and when i was down there I could here footsteps, Ilooked all around and no one was walking about. Also near the end of the game i heard the same footsteps in shephards room they might not mean anything but i thought it was worth mentioning
Off topic... but I had to do link this:
I almost **** my pants first time I watched that, followed by a laughing fit.
Ha ha ha, yeah, the same here. I love Garrus even more, now. He just wanted to say Good night.
Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.
Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.
MadRabbit999 wrote...
There is no way in hell he would be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard or Jesus would survive that.
Realistically speaking the space vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)
They both make no sense.. but at least with the IT one...it's slightly less space magic than the first one
OMG.... you are totaly right shepard wouldn't be able to with stand say the normandy exploding with him still inside and get out of it without a scratch.... like in this video here:
source www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XPDrrx9C0
On a serious note that explosion we saw in the Citadel, The conduit one, is too small to kill him it lasted no more than 3 seconds go back and see for yourself. The second explosion if it was as big as it seems the citadel would have dismantled from the centre not just the arms.
The current ending has plot holes, yes. The doesn't mean ill take an explanation with more problems in it, at least with the current ending you can put some reason behind them.
In fact they (Cerberus) stated that the only thing that made possible Shepard's resurrection was his/her helmet, the rest of the body was... *coughs*... /%$%$!"·@ So, it's not possible to survive that way again.
That was the fall not the explosion, keep watching after the explosion he is alive and kicking what killed him is 1- his air supply was cut. 2- the fall to earth. Now in the Citadel, assuming it did fall down and the scene wasn't on the citadel itself, his body would be protected by the structe.
if you are saying its the vaccum thing, then here you go
Soverign made a bighole in the dome air/oxygen sucked out ? No. Why ? who knows!
Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.
Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.
That entire scene is occuring in Shepard's mind, so he's not actually jumping into the beam. Instead, he's embracing indoctrination. Shepard's body would still exist, but he would now be a Reaper agent. In destroy, he denies indoctrination allowing him to wake up.
yes, but he is still alive. You get that right ? Indoctrinated/Reaper agent/I.R.S man doesn't matter, he still is alive so the breath scene should be in all of them.
Except putting the breath scene in all of them would have given it away completely.
Think about it if you saw Shepard get disintegrated and then have a scene of him breathing in what looks like the rubble of London would you not go first "WTF" and then with a bit futher thought "It was a dream/hallucination" because that would be the only logical conclusion.
Oh and as said numerous times the only Shepard could be ressurected was because his helmet had protected his brain and even then it took 2 years and an incredible amount of resources to do it. Oh and Shepard is not exactly inside the Normandy when it explodes, but gets blown out of the hull shortly before it is completely destroyed.
No matter how big or small the Citadel explosion was, Shepard would have been completely dead by the time he hit Earth and without a helmet no Lazarus project could bring him back.
Death does not have to be always justified, sometimes people die, and the fact tat your squadmates dies because YOU chose to bring thme with you on your final mission, would make you feel full of guilt for doing so (I assume lots of peopel would have broguht their love interest with them), this alone, is a powerful motive to kill the person most important to your character, giving you that "It's all my fault. now I have nothing left" feeling.
When so many people you cared for started dying in a game, you get that moment that makes you change your mind on your final decision, which previously was very clear to you (I cannot give you any good exmaples at the top of my head).
As I recall, the cut cutscene (say that 5 times real fast) was specific to Liara and Garrus. It wasn't whoever you brought with you, but specifically those two. That's why I think it's a terrible idea and was likely only there as part of the indoctrination/hallucination bit. Those are two of the most prominent characters in the series and more importantly they're both popular LIs. The only LI that's been killed off no matter we do is Thane. And we knew from literally the minute we met him that he was going to die very soon. There's a reason they were very up front about it too: because if fans are built up to believe that there's likely to be a happy ending with a LI only to find out that they're going to die no matter what, those will be among the most pissed off fans you can imagine. Look how many "little blue babies" posts there are. Now imagine if instead of just not getting to see a happy ending, they were shown Liara cut down in front of their eyes, totally beyond their control (i.e. avoidable with other previous choices). Thane and Mordin both were about to drop dead of natural causes. Liara's got 900 frickin' years left. Garrus... I don't know how long turians live TBH, but we had no reason to assume he's not going to be the leading cause of death among the Blue Suns in a few decades.
Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.
Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.
MadRabbit999 wrote...
There is no way in hell he would be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard or Jesus would survive that.
Realistically speaking the space vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)
They both make no sense.. but at least with the IT one...it's slightly less space magic than the first one
OMG.... you are totaly right shepard wouldn't be able to with stand say the normandy exploding with him still inside and get out of it without a scratch.... like in this video here:
source www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XPDrrx9C0
On a serious note that explosion we saw in the Citadel, The conduit one, is too small to kill him it lasted no more than 3 seconds go back and see for yourself. The second explosion if it was as big as it seems the citadel would have dismantled from the centre not just the arms.
The current ending has plot holes, yes. The doesn't mean ill take an explanation with more problems in it, at least with the current ending you can put some reason behind them.
In fact they (Cerberus) stated that the only thing that made possible Shepard's resurrection was his/her helmet, the rest of the body was... *coughs*... /%$%$!"·@ So, it's not possible to survive that way again.
That was the fall not the explosion, keep watching after the explosion he is alive and kicking what killed him is 1- his air supply was cut. 2- the fall to earth. Now in the Citadel, assuming it did fall down and the scene wasn't on the citadel itself, his body would be protected by the structe.
if you are saying its the vaccum thing, then here you go
Soverign made a bighole in the dome air/oxygen sucked out ? No. Why ? who knows!
Three words about the air/oxygen part. Mass effect fields. They probably have those in place so a random breach dosent kill the Council, but as we clearly see only minutes before Shepard tells his squad to put helmets on before walking out on to the Citadel tower clearly menaing there is no air there.
And Protected by the structure? Even if that was possible, that for some reason he did not go flying away from the structure as the artificial gravity stopped (it is kept up by the Citadels rotation) he would die as all Mass Effect fields set out from lack of power and then still get mashed into fine paste upon impact. That is if he survived the explosion of the citadel in the first place.
Also guess why Shepards air supply was cut in the Normandy explosion...oh right, suit rupture from the Explosion...and it is not Earth he is falling towards either...
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OMG.... you are totaly right shepard wouldn't be able to with stand say the normandy exploding with him still inside and get out of it without a scratch.... like in this video here:
source www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XPDrrx9C0
On a serious note that explosion we saw in the Citadel, The conduit one, is too small to kill him it lasted no more than 3 seconds go back and see for yourself. The second explosion if it was as big as it seems the citadel would have dismantled from the centre not just the arms.
The current ending has plot holes, yes. The doesn't mean ill take an explanation with more problems in it, at least with the current ending you can put some reason behind them.
Every science teacher in the country just broke down in tears and they have no idea why.
Just to start some kind of discussion... am I the only one who wondered why the Illusive man, a guy who thinks humans are like the best stuff ever, would team you up with aliens in ME2? I guess that would have been boring gameplay-wise, but I always thought it was hilarious how he was all "HUMANATEEE first" and then give you a crew full of aliens.
Mordin answers this himself, basically it is assumed that he is desperate or the situation is grim.(I think that is how he phrases it)
Also if you read the comics, TIM actually works with Liara and a drell to locate your body. The way I see cerberus is humanity first but will do anything to achieve this goal.
Just finished Mass Effect 3 and saw the ending. By the way, heres a tip people, try playing the ending with a headset. A good one. You'll hear a lot more evidence then you would normally. Sufficed to say i am wholly convinced of the IT ending now that i have personally played through.
Except putting the breath scene in all of them would have given it away completely.
Think about it if you saw Shepard get disintegrated and then have a scene of him breathing in what looks like the rubble of London would you not go first "WTF" and then with a bit futher thought "It was a dream/hallucination" because that would be the only logical conclusion.
Oh and as said numerous times the only Shepard could be ressurected was because his helmet had protected his brain and even then it took 2 years and an incredible amount of resources to do it. Oh and Shepard is not exactly inside the Normandy when it explodes, but gets blown out of the hull shortly before it is completely destroyed.
No matter how big or small the Citadel explosion was, Shepard would have been completely dead by the time he hit Earth and without a helmet no Lazarus project could bring him back.
1- I don't think it's in London i think it is the Citadel as seen from the ending the main structre is still there not completely destroyed.
2- He wasn't that far from the second explosion and withint the first one.
3- It is the fall to the planet that destroyed his body, if it was just the helmet then his body would be in good shape. The fall + atmospheric resistance is what destroyed his body.
Except putting the breath scene in all of them would have given it away completely.
Think about it if you saw Shepard get disintegrated and then have a scene of him breathing in what looks like the rubble of London would you not go first "WTF" and then with a bit futher thought "It was a dream/hallucination" because that would be the only logical conclusion.
Oh and as said numerous times the only Shepard could be ressurected was because his helmet had protected his brain and even then it took 2 years and an incredible amount of resources to do it. Oh and Shepard is not exactly inside the Normandy when it explodes, but gets blown out of the hull shortly before it is completely destroyed.
No matter how big or small the Citadel explosion was, Shepard would have been completely dead by the time he hit Earth and without a helmet no Lazarus project could bring him back.
1- I don't think it's in London i think it is the Citadel as seen from the ending the main structre is still there not completely destroyed.
Oh yeah the Citadel is made up from a huge amount of concrete...oh wait...the only conrete looking material I have seen have been the statues.
Anyone notice the wobble/bubble effects on the screen when conversing with the dying reaper on Rannoch? I thought it was just the game my first play through, but I happened again on my second PT. This may be the reaper talking but this never happened before in the previous games.
Been lurking forever, but this one is enough to make me want to step forward....
At numerous times through my first (and so far) only playthrough, and before I knew anything of IT, I noticed a bunch of moments in the game when the edges of the screen appeared to be muted in color, almost as if I was looking through a weird fisheye lens. I don't recall all of the times it happened, and at first I just ignored it. But it kept happening, and eventually I accepted that it was real and recurring. I had no explanation for why, and at one point was worried enough about my TV that I switched over to another video source just to be sure it was OK. But then I got to the final mission and I was certain it HAD to be related to the effects around the edges taht you see there!
So as I've been following along in this dicussion, I've been wondering: Did anyone else see something like this when they were playing? Or was it some weird bug/effect that only manifested in my play-thru and/or on my TV? I'd need to play it again to be sure, but Im almost certain it happened on both Rannoch and Thessia, as well as during the encounter with the Rachni Queen.
And since I'm no longer lurking.... As for IT in general:
It seems undeniable at this point. Bioware is already famous for pulling off one of the greatest twists in gaming history. Now, at the end of a brilliantly written trilogy, what's more likely: That they pulled another epic twist, or, having just demonstrated in this very same trilogy their ability to outwrite the rest of their industry, that they totally blew it at the worst possible moment? To believe that the ending is just a big mistake, you have to simultaneously believe that people who clearly know how to do their jobs also clearly do NOT know how to do their jobs. That seems....well...rather unlikely, no? Good writers know how to write well, and those that can write complex stories don't suddenly and without warning transform into simplistic writers in the closing moments of their greatest works. That isn't how the universe we live in works. Speaking of which...
If a person who has just spent years demonstrating his ability to put together a complex narrative explicitly promises he will not deliver a simplistic "A,B,C ending" then several months later does precisely that, you can either a) assume he is crazy, assume he is a liar, or c) remember that his company is in part famous for delivering one of the most famous twists in gaming history and go back to consider what you might have missed. So props to all of you for taking up that task and producing this thread!
One thing I saw on my copy was like a white line at the top of the screen during the ending sequences. Not sure when it was exactly, until I check, but it was between getting hit by Harbinger and well... the rest of the ending. Did anyone else have that?
Could just be a bug or something though. But it happens everytime during that sequence.
Erm..O.K for people who keep saying the breath scene proves it, you relise that even with all other endings he is still alive right ? He would be indoctrinated, but alive! The only reason you see the breath scene is that it fits only in the destroy your body isn't dissolved like the other 2 endings.
Logically speaking, it proves I.T is wrong.
MadRabbit999 wrote...
There is no way in hell he would be able to survive that explosion and then fall down into earth atmosphere without helmet or armour.... he got BADDLY mushed up when he died the first time... and that was with full armour and helmet.... now he is beaten up, with almost no armour and no helmet... not even Shepard or Jesus would survive that.
Realistically speaking the space vacum would blow his body up before freezing it, then earth atmosphere would disintegrate it.. and even if he survived to this point, he would ahve to survive a vertical fall of 30 miles? (I cannot remember the distance between ground and the end of atmosphere)
They both make no sense.. but at least with the IT one...it's slightly less space magic than the first one
OMG.... you are totaly right shepard wouldn't be able to with stand say the normandy exploding with him still inside and get out of it without a scratch.... like in this video here:
source www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XPDrrx9C0
On a serious note that explosion we saw in the Citadel, The conduit one, is too small to kill him it lasted no more than 3 seconds go back and see for yourself. The second explosion if it was as big as it seems the citadel would have dismantled from the centre not just the arms.
The current ending has plot holes, yes. The doesn't mean ill take an explanation with more problems in it, at least with the current ending you can put some reason behind them.
In fact they (Cerberus) stated that the only thing that made possible Shepard's resurrection was his/her helmet, the rest of the body was... *coughs*... /%$%$!"·@ So, it's not possible to survive that way again.
That was the fall not the explosion, keep watching after the explosion he is alive and kicking what killed him is 1- his air supply was cut. 2- the fall to earth. Now in the Citadel, assuming it did fall down and the scene wasn't on the citadel itself, his body would be protected by the structe.
if you are saying its the vaccum thing, then here you go
Soverign made a bighole in the dome air/oxygen sucked out ? No. Why ? who knows!
The same reason that you can breathe in the hangar of TIM's lair. It's pretty obvious that the citadel has Mass Effect fields that can keep the air in. That is also the reason why so many people can live in the wards. This reminds me of a codex entry about Mass accelerator weapons. It states, that if a hunk of metal would be too fast, it would just fly straight through a ship, causing minimal damage. Why isn't the air sucked out there? Answer: Mass effect fields are activated to keep the oxygen inside the ship!
OMG.... you are totaly right shepard wouldn't be able to with stand say the normandy exploding with him still inside and get out of it without a scratch.... like in this video here:
source www.youtube.com/watch?v=43XPDrrx9C0
On a serious note that explosion we saw in the Citadel, The conduit one, is too small to kill him it lasted no more than 3 seconds go back and see for yourself. The second explosion if it was as big as it seems the citadel would have dismantled from the centre not just the arms.
The current ending has plot holes, yes. The doesn't mean ill take an explanation with more problems in it, at least with the current ending you can put some reason behind them.
Every science teacher in the country just broke down in tears and they have no idea why.
Lol, I know That these things might not be possible but I'm bringing up that it has precedence in the series. It's a SCI-FI so as long as they can come up with some glued up science reason its ok I guess. See starwars, SG1, Firefly, Startrek, BSG..etc...etc.
and I think they are crying over the speed of light thing as it just made their degrees a Hoax!
Except putting the breath scene in all of them would have given it away completely.
Think about it if you saw Shepard get disintegrated and then have a scene of him breathing in what looks like the rubble of London would you not go first "WTF" and then with a bit futher thought "It was a dream/hallucination" because that would be the only logical conclusion.
Oh and as said numerous times the only Shepard could be ressurected was because his helmet had protected his brain and even then it took 2 years and an incredible amount of resources to do it. Oh and Shepard is not exactly inside the Normandy when it explodes, but gets blown out of the hull shortly before it is completely destroyed.
No matter how big or small the Citadel explosion was, Shepard would have been completely dead by the time he hit Earth and without a helmet no Lazarus project could bring him back.
1- I don't think it's in London i think it is the Citadel as seen from the ending the main structre is still there not completely destroyed.
Oh yeah the Citadel is made up from a huge amount of concrete...oh wait...the only conrete looking material I have seen have been the statues.
I still believe Shepard was shown breathing on Earth and never left, but I do think there is a possible case for him breathing on the Citadel. (Or landing on Earth with the rubble of the Citadel surrounding him no matter how nonsensical it might seem.)
Except putting the breath scene in all of them would have given it away completely.
Think about it if you saw Shepard get disintegrated and then have a scene of him breathing in what looks like the rubble of London would you not go first "WTF" and then with a bit futher thought "It was a dream/hallucination" because that would be the only logical conclusion.
Oh and as said numerous times the only Shepard could be ressurected was because his helmet had protected his brain and even then it took 2 years and an incredible amount of resources to do it. Oh and Shepard is not exactly inside the Normandy when it explodes, but gets blown out of the hull shortly before it is completely destroyed.
No matter how big or small the Citadel explosion was, Shepard would have been completely dead by the time he hit Earth and without a helmet no Lazarus project could bring him back.
1- I don't think it's in London i think it is the Citadel as seen from the ending the main structre is still there not completely destroyed.
Oh yeah the Citadel is made up from a huge amount of concrete...oh wait...the only conrete looking material I have seen have been the statues.
Yes because you can tell what it is from the game texture in a darkscene.
ok then if its visual then where did the rubble come from, when the beam hit him he was on open ground with dirt underhim ? in the breath scene he has (Concrete?) all around him, suggests he is inside or was in a collapsing building.
so here :
a- a building fell on him because of the war ? b- space magic ?
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assume he is a liar, or c) remember that his company is in part famous for delivering one of the most famous twists in gaming history and go back to consider what you might have missed. So props to all of you for taking up that task and producing this thread! 
